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So about AMD's CES show .. just thinking on the Ryzen 4000U (8cores,16thread, 1.7GHz base, 8 CUs (ithink) @1750MHz , 15 W TDP)

This thing has PS4 performance at mobile power levels (15W is about the same as the OG Switch..)

I think the theoretical GPU TFLOPs is 1.84TF based on VegaVII performance . sound familiar - See where I'm going with this ?

 

[DForce]

Again, actual AMD benchmarks vs rumours from the internet.
I would bet that if the AMD leaks showed a 13tflop PS5 benchmark you would be claiming it to be a legit leak.

Who saying they're not real? Some people think they're either old or do not represent the retail version of the console.

I don't know why you're having such a hard time understanding that.

I'm sure if the insider's information turn out to be true, you and other fanboys crowding this forum are going to disappear.

 

[Reindeer]

True but rendering is the most expenssive part about games when we talk about ms. You dont design games to take all power thats there just for rendering.
Your doing it appropriate so that eveythign else still can fit in to the game without major performance impact. Its still eqasier to optimize graphics and rendering then actually game code for game mechanics.

Even if code is un optimized its still hella fast compared to actually rendering everything whats on screen. If you can render the key visual features then your fine.

Think about it, GTX 680 ran Infiltrator demo without any problems, but in no way shape or form could it run a game that complex. We would have a debate whether 1080 TI could run a game that was as complex (I think it can).

Imo we are at least a generation away from Rebirth level of visuals just like we were a generation away form Infiltrator level of visuals when that demo came out before the start of this gen.

 

[Denis Colovic]

Not really, its why cutscenes or replays if even real time generally look better then the actual gameplay.

They look better in most cases because you treat cutscenes differently then gameplay.
More depth of field. Perhaps different post processing and different character models for close up scenes.
In best case both gameplay and cutscneses use the same art assets. But this really depends on the game. Not every game has really detailed art assets in gameplay which can also be used in cutscenes.

 

[-kb-]

They look better in most cases because you treat cutscenes differently then gameplay.
More depth of field. Perhaps different post processing and different character models for close up scenes.
In best case both gameplay and cutscneses use the same art assets. But this really depends on the game. Not every game has really detailed art assets in gameplay which can also be used in cutscenes.

Its because the performance is better in cutscene because the game doesnt have to do anything but play the cutscene.

 

[Reindeer]

So about AMD's CES show .. just thinking on the Ryzen 4000U (8cores,16thread, 1.7GHz base, 8 CUs (ithink) @1750MHz , 15 W TDP)

This thing has PS4 performance at mobile power levels (15W is about the same as the OG Switch..)

I think the theoretical GPU TFLOPs is 1.84TF based on VegaVII performance . sound familiar - See where I'm going with this ?

Would make sense for Nintendo to go with AMD next gen, but then they would have to give up BC with Switch. But yeah, AMD is the way to go right now.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Just stop your lying. He never said twice the performance, he said twice the power.
"“So when we do the math, we’re over eight times the GPU power of the Xbox One, and two times what an Xbox One X is.”
GPU power is measured in Tflops, and the maths would be 6x2=12.
You have just shown yourself up.

Lol because I don’t care what MS pr says to memorize it. who even says shit like when we did the complex math for 12 vs 6 we understood after few months that it’s double ? That’s what caused the rdna vs gcn confusion.the awkwardness of the sentence caused it and no one was commenting on it.

All the other points still stand. Btw Did you find any of my negative posts about Ms ? No ? It’s just you who doesn’t value your time and created an unhealthy habit for your self ?

 

[Rightisright]

Stop bullshitting. He's been called a liar and got mocked since he said PS5 > XSX, these aren't arguments, these are facts!

And yes the dude is working on alaska and he's not obligued to respond to every single thing people ask. He owns nothing to us.

Go back and read again. The pressure cam on him when the AMD leaks came out. To say otherwise is just stupid.

 

[Rightisright]

After the windows central leak.

So hardly much credit when he came out after it was already leaked.

 

[Gudji]

Go back and read again. The pressure cam on him when the AMD leaks came out. To say otherwise is just stupid.

No, what's stupid is what you're saying. You said they didn't called him a liar by replying "No they didn't".
He hasn't changed a single word of what he said and everything insiders are saying matches with what he said. Keep pushing that narrative.
And btw the leak is real but it's out of context. Matt said the Github thing is not confirmation of anything, so that should tell you something.

So hardly much credit when he came out after it was already leaked.

Whatever you say. He said it was slight above 12 TF, the windows central article said it was around 12 TF.

 

[Denis Colovic]

Think about it, GTX 680 ran Infiltrator demo without any problems, but in no way shape or form could it run a game that complex. We would have a debate whether 1080 TI could run a game that was as complex (I think it can).

Imo we are at least a generation away from Rebirth level of visuals just like we were a generation away form Infiltrator level of visuals when that demo came out before the start of this gen.

Yeah I remember that tech demo. I accept your opinion regarding this topic. History may be a good track record.
But from my perspective rebirth quality is definitely possible. You would be surprized how much progress every new ue4 version is making in terms of rendering and features.

If things contiue at this rate we might see something really close to photorealism or the rebirth trailer. Even with the current UE4 version. ( 4.24)
Not only hardware and pure number of TF is pushing the qualtiy of visuals its also software and engine development and features.
If im wrong or right only the upcoming years can tell really. But never the less a interesting discussion. Thanks to everyone that cotributed to this topic so far!

 

[xool]

Would make sense for Nintendo to go with AMD next gen, but then they would have to give up BC with Switch. But yeah, AMD is the way to go right now.

Yeah Nvidia seems focused on cars/AI and doesn't really have a Tegra upgrade at the moment. Their Xavier chips is all about ML/AI.

Hope they are ok about selling the same games again.

 

[Reindeer]

Yeah Nvidia seems focused on cars/AI and doesn't really have a Tegra upgrade at the moment. Their Xavier chips is all about ML/AI.

Hope they are ok about selling the same games again.

It makes too much sense to go with AMD since their CPU would absolutely walk all over this gen's consoles. Nintendo could easily do 1080p60 and even higher resolutions at 60fps if they go with AMD. BC is a major issues though unless they can work around it with software like Microsoft does so well.

 

[Denis Colovic]

Its because the performance is better in cutscene because the game doesnt have to do anything but play the cutscene.

Depends how you treat those cutscenes from the perspective of creating them. Since most modern game engines only render whats in screenspace you dont really need to seperate different scenes in to different independent levels.

The bigest factor is which engine is used. So i cant really generalize this topic as every game engine has a different approach to real time cutscenes plus the different approaches of the art pipelines or level streaming.

 

[-kb-]

Depends how you treat those cutscnes from the perspective of creating them. Since most modern game engines only render whats in screespace you dont really need to seperate different scenes in to different independent levels. The bigset factor is which engines is used. So i cant really generalize this topic as every game engine has a different approach to real time cutscenes plus the different approaches of the art pipelines or level streaming.

Its nearly universal that cutscenes look better because they dont have to run the game loop.

 

[Rightisright]

Lol because I don’t care what MS pr says.who even says shit like when we did the complex math for 12 vs 6 we understood it’s double ? That’s what caused the rdna vs gcn confusion.

All the other points still stand. Btw Did you find any of my negative posts about Ms ? No ? It’s just you who doesn’t value your time and created a unhealthy habit for your self ?

You showed who you are. You pushed the old lie of Phil saying that it was twice the performance when he said twice the power. A lie that has been corrected like 1000 times on every forum with the actual quote.
Those quick to accuse others of something are generally doing the same they accuse others of. You are obviously a Sony Fanboy, evidenced by your posts.

As for your post history, you have commented on MS and Xbox. Where did I say it had to be a negative post BTW? I havent posted negative stuff about Sony. Saying that I think the AMD leaks are real and show the PS5 most likely has a 9.2tflop GPU is anything but an attack on Sony. Its talking about actual AMD benchmarks.
You saying I shouldnt talk about Sony because I have an Xbox is just retarded.

 

[Denis Colovic]

Its nearly universal that cutscenes look better because they dont have to run the game loop.

Hombre´nothing in creating games is universal. Every studio has different approaches on how to do things. I covered quite detailed how and why sometimes cutscenes have a different quality in games so i dont see a reason to do it again. Thanks for your contribution to the topic.

 

[Reindeer]

Yeah I remember that tech demo. I accept your opinion regarding this topic. History may be a good track record.
But from my perspective rebirth quality is definitely possible. You would be surprized how much progress every new ue4 version is making in terms of rendering and features.

If things contiue at this rate we might see something really close to photorealism or the rebirth trailer. Even with the current UE4 version. ( 4.24)
Not only hardware and pure number of TF is pushing the qualtiy of visuals its also software and engine development and features.
If im wrong or right only the upcoming years can tell really. But never the less a interesting discussion. Thanks to everyone that cotributed to this topic so far!

Maybe top devs like Naughty Dog can come close to something like that with clever tricks and optimisation, but I think that level of image quality is still not attainable. Time will tell and in only few months we'll get an idea of what level of visuals we'll get next gen.

 

[-kb-]

Hombre´nothing in creating games is universal. Every studio has different approaches on how to do things. I covered quite detailed how and why sometimes cutscenes have a different quality in games so i dont see a reason to do it again. Thanks for your contribution to the topic.

So you agree, you get better performance without having to run the game loop (like in tech demos) compared to an actual game. It appears we are in agreement.

 

[Agnostic2020]

You showed who you are. You pushed the old lie of Phil saying that it was twice the performance when he said twice the power. A lie that has been corrected like 1000 times on every forum with the actual quote.
Those quick to accuse others of something are generally doing the same they accuse others of. You are obviously a Sony Fanboy, evidenced by your posts.

As for your post history, you have commented on MS and Xbox. Where did I say it had to be a negative post BTW? I havent posted negative stuff about Sony. Saying that I think the AMD leaks are real and show the PS5 most likely has a 9.2tflop GPU is anything but an attack on Sony. Its talking about actual AMD benchmarks.
You saying I shouldnt talk about Sony because I have an Xbox is just retarded.

Lol you shouldn’t call anyone fanboyyou are the worst example of one . Ignored . Thanks bye .

 

[Rightisright]

We have no context for them though, ad we have already been told that the final console was targeting >12TFLOPS so it makes no sense.

Sure, but the weight of evidence points towards it being a 36CU GPU. Someone saying that Sony is targeting a tflops level doesnt hold as much weight as actual AMD info.
For whats its worth, I think Sony were looking at a 2019 launch with a 8.x tflops GPU (which would have been good for that time) They changed their release date and are trying to up the power to close the power gap. The easiest way, and cheapest way, to do this is to up the clocks like MS did. That's what the 2.0ghz speed is for. Now, they may also be doing a parallel project of changing the power of the GPU by adding some extra CUs, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did release a bigger GPU at all. But we haven't seen anything related to that. So if I am betting I go where the evidence points, which is a 36CU GPU.
I have never said "The PS5 WILL Be a 9.2tflop GPU". I say "It's LOOKS like it will be a 9.2tflop GPU"
Same with the XSX. It LOOKS like a 12.x tflops GPU with 56cus.
Unfortunately here, unless you say the PS5 will be a 13tflop GPU and more powerful than the XSX, the Sony Defence Force will come at you.

 

[Denis Colovic]

Maybe top devs like Naughty Dog can come close to something like that with clever tricks and optimisation, but I think that level of image quality is still not attainable. Time will tell and in only few months we'll get an idea of what level of visuals we'll get next gen.

The great thing about game engines avaialble to the public is that every devolper whether First Party or Third Party can benefit from new features and engine development progress.

I have no doubts that naughty dog will be one of the studios that will surpass even today's visual standards.

 

[Rightisright]

Lol, linking to a place that cant even get the reveal right.

Is that what you took from it? Really? You overlooked the fact that it was leaked over 12 months ago because of that?

 

[Handy Fake]

Could somebody be an absolute doll and sum up a little with some Cliff Notes?
What do we have confirmed?

 

[Rightisright]

Who saying they're not real? Some people think they're either old or do not represent the retail version of the console.

I don't know why you're having such a hard time understanding that.

I'm sure if the insider's information turn out to be true, you and other fanboys crowding this forum are going to disappear.

The ones having the hard time are those who are trying to say the leaks cant be accurate.
What you are also having a hard time with is that all I am saying is that CURRENTLY the only real info coming out about the PS5 is this leak. Its the only thing directly out of Sony or AMD that gives a benchmarked idea of the GPU. If some other credible leak came out from AMD or Sony that showed the PS5 actually had 12tflops, then I would happily change my opinion that the PS5 will launch with a more powerful system.
The difference between us is that I put more credibility into the info shown on the AMD leaks then someone on the net like Klee saying his mate told him the specs.
In a court of law, the AMD info would hold more weight than Klees heresay inside info as well.

 

[Reindeer]

The great thing about game engines avaialble to the public is that every devolper whether First Party or Third Party can benefit from new features and engine development progress.

I have no doubts that naughty dog will be one of the studios that will surpass even today's visual standards.

Purely from a technological perspective this is the most excited I have ever been for a new generation of consoles. We are finally about to reach that CGI level of visuals that we all dreamed about all those years ago, I just hope shady practices by publishers won't ruin our excitement.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Sure.

Confirmed:

-Fuck all.

You’re welcome.

 

[TheStruggler]

In all fairness he kept doubling and tripling down on the same info he got six months ago. You can't do that and expect not to be questioned about it. At some point, if you're going to continue with the same rhetoric, then you need to start showing the goods. Which he refused to.

Thats why I said originally don't do this shit and be an attention whore, if you have information people want spill it, it wont jeopardize your source because no one cares for a name they just want to know what you know. If your not going to spoil anything then stfu and you might as well have said nothing anyways because you aren't contributing and only causing a problem

Wow he could have just stayed off there problem solved

That's what I said to, dude was mentally weak and couldn't handle it. He easily could have logged off until specs were sown and if he was right stayed for the clout.

 

[Rightisright]

No, what's stupid is what you're saying. You said they didn't called him a liar by replying "No they didn't".
He hasn't changed a single word of what he said and everything insiders are saying matches with what he said. Keep pushing that narrative.
And btw the leak is real but it's out of context. Matt said the Github thing is not confirmation of anything, so that should tell you something.



Whatever you say. He said it was slight above 12 TF, the windows central article said it was around 12 TF.

So Matt, the guy who had to get Klees spec sheet, has more credibility than AMD actual benchmarks?
Ok. Guess we better leave it at that then.

 

[Rightisright]

Lol you shouldn’t call anyone fanboyyou are the worst example of one . Ignored . Thanks bye .

Run Forrest. You might catch Klee.

 

[Denis Colovic]

Purely from a technological perspective this is the most excited I have ever been for a new generation of consoles. We are finally about to reach that CGI level of visuals that we all dreamed about all those years ago, I just hope shady practices by publishers won't ruin our excitement.

Agreed. Its a exciting time for both: Developers and players.

 

[ethomaz]

Sony fans boys would like to push that narrative, but no. The AMD leaks are still the best info we have at this point.

Rightiswrong

 

[Gudji]

So Matt, the guy who had to get Klees spec sheet, has more credibility than AMD actual benchmarks?
Ok. Guess we better leave it at that then.

So basically you just confirmed my suspicion. You don't know the timeline and keep pushing a narrative.

FYI Matt is (or was) a developer that always leaked shit here at GAF, he's the guy me and others trust the most and he's been super solid with leaked shit for years now. That's why no one doubts what he says.

Recent examples:

Confirmed hardware RT for both consoles on the same day of the MS press conference at E3 -> hardware RT confirmed for both
Said XBOX would have a great XO2019 with lots of surprises -> It did and it was full of surprises like japanese games and other shit
Said "what matters is that all this will be over soon" the day after the windows central leak -> XSX reveal a day or two after happens

He doesn't need spec sheets, he already knows what both consoles are going to have spec wise.
It was suggested by an user on ERA that Klee should give is info to Matt and he would post it in his name after the Playstation 5 reveal event. No more no less.

 

[Denis Colovic]

PlayStation boss also suggests there will be no months-long delay for Japanese launch.


source: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/artic...s-bigger-differences-have-yet-to-be-announced

 

[DForce]

The ones having the hard time are those who are trying to say the leaks cant be accurate.
What you are also having a hard time with is that all I am saying is that CURRENTLY the only real info coming out about the PS5 is this leak. Its the only thing directly out of Sony or AMD that gives a benchmarked idea of the GPU. If some other credible leak came out from AMD or Sony that showed the PS5 actually had 12tflops, then I would happily change my opinion that the PS5 will launch with a more powerful system.
The difference between us is that I put more credibility into the info shown on the AMD leaks then someone on the net like Klee saying his mate told him the specs.
In a court of law, the AMD info would hold more weight than Klees heresay inside info as well.

How many people on here are saying it's not accurate?

Quote them.

 

[Reindeer]

Albert Panello said that 9-10 tflops machine can be done at $399 without any loss. This means that 12 tflops machine should be expected at $499. He said people saying it's 600 and more are the ones who don't know about how cheap both Sony and Microsoft get the parts for and are just doing inaccurate math based on sales on PC parts.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

PlayStation boss also suggests there will be no months-long delay for Japanese launch.


source: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/artic...s-bigger-differences-have-yet-to-be-announced

Gladly he touched that problem

 

[nikolino840]

 

[nowhat]

Oh shush you, trying to bring rationality into the discussion.

 

[xool]

Could somebody be an absolute doll and sum up a little with some Cliff Notes?
What do we have confirmed?

[edit - confirmed - next to nothing]
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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake! OT

Previous threads: PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - timing and specifications PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Post E3 2018 Next gen PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Secret sauces spicing 2019 Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread - MY ANACONDA DON'T WANT NONE...

www.resetera.com

East asian tech leaks - Xbox > PS5

Western world journalists PS5 >= Xbox

MS - Scarlet chip is huge

Old Pastebin/Reddit .. PS5 dev kits ~12-13TF

 

[Gediminas]

really bad reference. power against spoilers? this is hardware, not games. who don't want to know power in advance? like if you are going to buy a car and seller says, wait til release, then you will have your horse power can you imagine shitstorm they will get?
these xbox people speaking like they dropped down from the tree... on the head..

 

[Agnostic2020]

PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake! OT

Previous threads: PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - timing and specifications PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Post E3 2018 Next gen PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Secret sauces spicing 2019 Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread - MY ANACONDA DON'T WANT NONE...

www.resetera.com

East asian tech leaks - Xbox > PS5

Western world journalists PS5 >= Xbox

MS - Scarlet chip is huge

Old Pastebin/Reddit .. PS5 dev kits ~12-13TF

just a small revision .by east asian leak (like komachi and apisack) you mean data mining AMD tests directory. dont forget that non of those tests is saying that chip is the final ps5 apu. those are tests related to PS5. is it final APu? no one knows.

 

[TLZ]

Looks like R600 passed the baton to Rightisright.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Looks like R600 passed the baton to Rightisright.

first person that i had to put on ignore list. atleast R600 brings some genuine interesting discussion unlike that guy

 

[sonomamashine]

Third person remake of God of War?

that's it - did anyone suggest this before - this actually makes sense - "reimagining"

Could be God Of War series with the latest GOW gameplay.

Moi

Concept or leak ?

LOL.

The Ribirth trailer is basically photorealism that won't be achieved till PS6/Xbox5. I could see maybe racing games achieving that level of visuals next gen though.

LOL.

Unfortunately here, unless you say the PS5 will be a 13tflop GPU and more powerful than the XSX, the Sony Defence Force will come at you.

The ones having the hard time are those who are trying to say the leaks cant be accurate.
What you are also having a hard time with is that all I am saying is that CURRENTLY the only real info coming out about the PS5 is this leak. Its the only thing directly out of Sony or AMD that gives a benchmarked idea of the GPU. If some other credible leak came out from AMD or Sony that showed the PS5 actually had 12tflops, then I would happily change my opinion that the PS5 will launch with a more powerful system.
The difference between us is that I put more credibility into the info shown on the AMD leaks then someone on the net like Klee saying his mate told him the specs.
In a court of law, the AMD info would hold more weight than Klees heresay inside info as well.

Right Is Right

 

[joe_zazen]

[edit - confirmed - next to nothing]
Read first post ..

PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake! OT

Previous threads: PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - timing and specifications PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Post E3 2018 Next gen PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Secret sauces spicing 2019 Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread - MY ANACONDA DON'T WANT NONE...

www.resetera.com

East asian tech leaks - Xbox > PS5

Western world journalists PS5 >= Xbox

MS - Scarlet chip is huge

Old Pastebin/Reddit .. PS5 dev kits ~12-13TF

+ General Ford.

also, tlz is a secret insider, otherwise how could he have know about the dual gpu design?

 

[ethomaz]

Let’s see what PS5 reveal event will show.
Seems like a lot of comments will looks funny.

 

[gaming_noob]

[edit - confirmed - next to nothing]
Read first post ..

PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake! OT

Previous threads: PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - timing and specifications PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Post E3 2018 Next gen PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Secret sauces spicing 2019 Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread - MY ANACONDA DON'T WANT NONE...

www.resetera.com

East asian tech leaks - Xbox > PS5

Western world journalists PS5 >= Xbox

MS - Scarlet chip is huge

Old Pastebin/Reddit .. PS5 dev kits ~12-13TF

What are these East Asian sources? I keep reading about Taiwanese sources. Got any links?

 

[quest]

Let’s see what PS5 reveal event will show.
Seems like a lot of comments will looks funny.

You mean the 90 minute reveal to reveal the date of the PS5 reveal lol?

 

[xool]

What are these East Asian sources? I keep reading about Taiwanese sources. Got any links?

There is a link in my post..