Agnostic2020
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He is graceful unlike some people who dont know when to be quiet given the lack of their knowledge in some areas .
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Evilms
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A simple fan made.
Denis Colovic
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I didnt say its an offline render I just said its rare that studios even make offline renders for cutscenes or cinematic trailers if the game is running on UE4. Also its not running on 5FPS simply because similar content with similar qualitiy is even running at 60FPS. Are you just trying to troll me?
ZywyPL
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I'd argue with that - RT in Minecraft completely changes its art direction, the only "cartoony" thing left is the blocky/low poly models, that's it. The Super Duper add-on was already going a little too far if you ask me, but RT puts Minecraft in a really disturbing place, something feels really off.
Rightisright
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LTTP.
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You realise games have to get optimised to run well right?. Theres a reason you don't see trailers or anything in game until pretty generally until like a year or so before the game is realised. I feel like you must be trolling. Just read the trailer analysis thread, the professionals says its likely not running in realtime.
[Digital Foundry] Senua's Saga: Hellblade 2 Xbox Series X Trailer Analysis
Is Hellblade really next gen ? What do we know so far under scrutiny? Resolution 3840 x 1608 @ 24fps No raytracing detected Looks prerendered because of no visible LOD transitions and perfect IQ Lots of the effects could be prebaked, like some of the reflections with some of the torches...
BattleScar
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To put it plainly then, what do you know? You're being awfully smug. Surely you must have some reason.
You've been throwing shade at many people including K. Lee. So I ask you. What do you know? What makes you so confident of your information?
If indeed you have any that is...
Rightisright
Banned
Sony fans boys would like to push that narrative, but no. The AMD leaks are still the best info we have at this point.
Von Hugh
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I guess there will be Playstation Meeting on 12th of February?
Reindeer
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The Ribirth trailer is basically photorealism that won't be achieved till PS6/Xbox5. I could see maybe racing games achieving that level of visuals next gen though.
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We have no context for them though, ad we have already been told that the final console was targeting >12TFLOPS so it makes no sense.
havok75
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I'm going to have both of the next gen monsters under my TV sitting eyeballing each other, exciting lol
. Next to my not so monsterous gtx 1070 i5 9600k P.C.
Denis Colovic
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You realise games have to get optimised to run well right?. Theres a reason you don't see trailers or anything in game until pretty generally until like a year or so before the game is realised. I feel like you must be trolling. Just read the trailer analysis thread, the professionals says its likely not running in realtime.
[Digital Foundry] Senua's Saga: Hellblade 2 Xbox Series X Trailer Analysis
Is Hellblade really next gen ? What do we know so far under scrutiny? Resolution 3840 x 1608 @ 24fps No raytracing detected Looks prerendered because of no visible LOD transitions and perfect IQ Lots of the effects could be prebaked, like some of the reflections with some of the torches...www.neogaf.com
Optimisation for consoles is another topic. Same as porting games to consoles. But based on what we got from leaks considering any of them have some real substance, there will be enough power in order to get visuels like in the Rebirth trailer or Hellbalde trailer. No im not trolling either.
My thesis is based on the quality of visuels seen in those two trailers and beyond that even whats generally possible with current game egnines in real time with desktop GPUs. As I already said we neither can confirm nor deny that the Hellblade trailer is running in real time or not. I just said im personally thiking it actually may be running in real time. Its easy to say that the Hellblade trailer is not running in real time. But its quite harsh and hypocritical to assume that anything similar as the content seen there would not be possible on PS5 & Xbox Series X. Well assuming thats your assumption. Im not sure anymore what your onto here.
Reindeer
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Why is your PC next to your TV?I'm going to have both of the next gen monsters under my TV sitting eyeballing each other, exciting lol
Denis Colovic
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If that isnt at least the bare minmum of what we can expect next gen then some one of the mods here can ban me lifetime after the next gen is done and we havent got anything as close as that.
If its possible on desktop then its possible on consoles assuming we have at least similar hardware and power to work with.
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Rightisright
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So the fact that they ran Oberon in both the PS4 and PS4 Pro clock speeds in what was labeled as Back Cat 1 and 2 would lead you to believe it wasn't PS5 related? Who else would AMD be making a GPU for that mirrors Sony clock speeds exactly?
Gudji
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Stop bullshitting. He's been called a liar and got mocked since he said PS5 > XSX, these aren't arguments, these are facts!
And yes the dude is working on alaska and he's not obligued to respond to every single thing people ask. He owns nothing to us.
Rightisright
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That doesn't even make sense. My friend says I cant tell you exact specs, but he is okay for me to tell everyone on the internet that he have me a spec sheet for both consoles and let me play an upcoming next gen game on a dev kit.
Yeah, sure.
Gudji
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After the windows central leak.
Reindeer
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You need around 40 tflops compute power for photorealism and we are some ways from that. Next gen what you'll likely get is something a tad better than Toy Story 2 level of visuals.
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xool
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afaict the new Guilty Gear is pretty much 100% hand drawn animation/toon shaders - I can't see how ray tracing could help at all. (it's not like they've embraced what rasterization tricks can do either - I mean there isn't even transparency in the water effect etc)
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havok75
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So I can play solitaire on my 65" TV obviously lol
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Rightisright
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Not quite answering my question. He said his insider friend worked for a third party developers, but yet this third party developers knows MSs internal marketing information.
Now, did he point towards a 12tflop XSX GPU before or after Windows Central leaked it to everyone? Before or after Phil said it was double XSX?
Gudji
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He doesn't own you shit bud. Also he didn't play a game on a dev kit, he saw VIDEOS of it, you're constantly making shit up at this point.
Keep making shit up to discredit the dude. You're basically no different than all the other xbox fanboys back at era.
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it_wasn't_me
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Matt's statement was a educated guess and gave a nod to Scarlet but he also clearly stated not based off any insider info. It wasn't statement based on spec sheet info like Klee
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT5| - It's in RDNA OT
Who do you think is launching first? Or does a repeat of this gen seems likely where they are a month apart? I'm a ghost of Team2019.
www.resetera.com
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT5| - It's in RDNA OT
I don't really think they will adapt Xavier but would be amazing.
www.resetera.com
Btw. Klee also said that there is a possibility of double percentage in FLOPS difference :
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm OT
I'm just not discounting Microsoft's capabilities, that's all. It's still early days, especially for them.
www.resetera.com
That falls in line if XSX is 12.1 TF and PS5 13.3 TF. That's 10% difference in TFLOPS.
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Gudji
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Exactly, he said before "i don't know which console is stronger" and then proceeded to say he expected the XSX to come a bit ahead. But that was also before Klee started to said PS5 > XSX and Matt never disagreed with him(but that migh not mean much).
Denis Colovic
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"The Ribirth trailer is basically photorealism that won't be achieved till PS6/Xbox5."
That rebirth trailer is running on A 1080 ti which is lightyears away from 40 TF.
xool
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Updated leak tracker.
If anyone else has claims they remember (and from who), please share. Anyone know who said the +/- 10% claim?
Guy who leaked Oberon specs (from around spring 2019): 9.2TF
Klee: More than 10TF, PS5 > XSX by 5% (none over 11TF).Then claimed XSX is slightly more than 12TF at “bingo” 12.1TF.Lockhart model cancelled
Osiris: More than 10TF. PS5 > XSX. 11.6 and 12.4. Since PS5 is better, then PS5 is 12.4TF and XSX at 11.6TF
Matt from Reeee (Matt the moderator): XSX > PS5
Jason Schreier: Aiming for 10.7TF+. Both similar
Tim Dog: ???. But seems confident XSX > PS5
Un-named journalist: 13TF devkit
“Unknown” pastebinner:PS5 has double gpus for 14.2TF.
There's huge lists at the beginning of this thread, and an even bigger one at the OP of the resetera thread ..
[also I made a correction(s)..]
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existensmaximum
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To play games and watch movies on the TV..?
That's what I do! I also have a monitor hooked up though, for everything else PC related.
Reindeer
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It's just rendering without without any gameplay, AI or physics, etc. 1080 TI will absolutely die if that was a full game and not just a render.
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Rightisright
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To be fair, you would have to be willfully ignorant to think he meant anything other than raw Tflops. I said it was RDNA tflops, DF said it was RDNA. And I am pretty sure no spec sheet is going to clarify if somwthing was RDNA or GCN tflops, when that doesn't even exist. It would just state a tflops number, just like Windows Central did, and the original Xbox leak back on Reddit over 12 months ago.
it_wasn't_me
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Yep! Also i've added some Klee's posts about possibility of 10% difference if PS5 ends up 13.3 TFLOPS like some rumors stated
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Rightisright
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Nah, neither of them said they were given a rumor of what the specs were. They said they knew an insider who gave them official specs.
SleepDoctor
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You know both leakers can possibly be correct and just have different versions of devkits right?
This nagging and bitching at insiders, demanding answers is pathetic. They don't have to post shit, let alone answer every single question you ask. Be thankful for the info you are afforded, which is better than nothing.
This nagging and bitching at insiders, demanding answers is pathetic. They don't have to post shit, let alone answer every single question you ask. Be thankful for the info you are afforded, which is better than nothing.
Rightisright
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What misinformation? I am pointing out he said specs of the XSX AFTER they were leaked by someone else.Can you stop your crusade on this shit and stop spreading misinformation to make yourself feel better ? Your console of choice xbox is 12 tf .stop talking about things u have no interest in like ps5.(or you want to play the pretend neutral gamer thing ?)
He said both are above 10 . Both are within 10%.ps5 has edge in TF slightly. He leaked TGA reveal and immediately after tga (like 5 min after reveal and before any article)he said xsx is little above 12 navi TF.he also said ps meeting is in feb where we get the spec
And so the rules are that unless I have a PS I cant comment on them? Lol. Let me go through your post history and see if you arent the world's greatest hypocrite by talking about MS shall I?
And you do know that Sony revealed the PS4 in Feb, so a good guess is that the same thing might happen again.
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Gudji
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This. I don't get why people need to be constantly calling out "insiders", they're willing to share some stuff they know. If you don't believe it you don't need to pick them apart.
Can you link me to the person who said it before him and also his posts on reset era mentioning it?. I can't find either.
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Rightisright
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Again, actual AMD benchmarks vs rumours from the internet.
I would bet that if the AMD leaks showed a 13tflop PS5 benchmark you would be claiming it to be a legit leak.
SleepDoctor
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Im not even participating in most of the discussion for the most part, just reading through posts. So many armchair developers and people twisting up rumors or picking and choosing the ones that better fit their narrative.
But people demanding shit and nagging insiders should take a break and go outside.
I mean are you going to fucking die if "your" precious sony or ms have a weaker console? Lol
Agnostic2020
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No one knew xsx was going to be at tga , he knew . When Phil said we did the “calculation “ and it’s 2 times the gpu performance x1x . Thread went crazy in reera.he was the first one before anyone else saying a little above 12 Navi TF. He even said where are Ms insiders now to confirm things ? I m gonna confirm it . No one else was touching that subject.
And please do proceed to check my posts to see if I have been wasting my time into post negative bs about MS. I m waiting. Not everyone is like you and spends their precious time on things they have no interest in.
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Benchmarks for what though?, its clearly something to do with the PS5 but what is it exactly?, unless you have a different leak to everyone else we don't know.
Rightisright
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I cant be stuffed trolling through Ree for his post, but here's the first leaks of Xbox specs, which dates back 12 months ago. Windows Central just repeated them. Now lets see of Klee broke the 12tflops before this.
Rumour: next-gen Xbox ‘Lockhart’ and ‘Anaconda’ to be revealed at E3, released 2020
It looks like we could be in for an interesting E3, with the next generation of Xbox rumoured for a reveal.
www.google.com
Rightisright
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Its shows three GPU frequencies, two of them PS4 back compat, the other native. It also shows 36CUs. I'm not sure what else you would expect from them?
I cant be stuffed trolling through Ree for his post, but here's the first leaks of Xbox specs, which dates back 12 months ago. Windows Central just repeated them. Now lets see of Klee broke the 12tflops before this.
Rumour: next-gen Xbox ‘Lockhart’ and ‘Anaconda’ to be revealed at E3, released 2020
It looks like we could be in for an interesting E3, with the next generation of Xbox rumoured for a reveal.
Lol, linking to a place that cant even get the reveal right.
Agnostic2020
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How do you know it’s not backward compatibility regression test or simply a Navi dev kit ps5 for developers to start working on ps5 games till ps5 final apu is ready and not be like MS where they had absolutely nothing in dev hands till last week ? Have you thought about that? Of course not
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Denis Colovic
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True but rendering is the most expenssive part about games when we talk about ms. You dont design games to take all power thats there just for rendering.
Your doing it appropriate so that everything else still can fit in to the game without major performance impact. Its still easier to optimize graphics and rendering then actually game code for game mechanics.
Even if code is un optimized its still hella fast compared to actually rendering everything whats on screen. If you can render the key visual features then your fine.
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Not really, its why cutscenes or replays if even real time generally look better then the actual gameplay.
Rightisright
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Just stop your lying. He never said twice the performance, he said twice the power.
"“So when we do the math, we’re over eight times the GPU power of the Xbox One, and two times what an Xbox One X is.”
GPU power is measured in Tflops, and the maths would be 6x2=12.
You have just shown yourself up.
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