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[Lampiao]

Can someone explain to me what would the use of much faster SSD be in a console? On PC we barely see much difference on faster SSD when it comes to things like loading a game. Will this have more to do with games being designed around SSDs and game world data being streamed at faster rate and thus taking oad off from both GPU and CPU?

I hope that corridors, tunnels, climbs, lifts, etc ... will be reduced or eliminated thanks to sdd.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It would make a lot of sense to go for faster SSDs if they're going to be using it as virtual ram if need be.

Yep, offload simpler tasks that don't need to full bandwidth of the system RAM freeing up that resource for other more demanding tasks while working in tandem.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Huh? So you think people who read actual AMD benchmarks of known PS5 GPUs and take that as quite possibly correct are the idiots, but those people who listen to people on the internet with no proof of what they are saying are the smart one? Talk about upside down world.

Exactly. You're an idiot for believing information straight from AMD, verified by very senior AMD engineers whose names are on the documents, over random strangers on the internet.

From the moment I saw that information I determined that until I see convincing evidence otherwise, it is by far the most detailed and credible source of information anywhere on both consoles.

 

[Darklor01]

I cou

I think the theory is these new console SSDs are so good and fast vs a PC SSD that not only do you get load times of like 2 seconds, but the SSDs also act fake ram where it also caches assets so the game can process graphics faster.......

...... or something like that?

I could be very wrong about this , but, at a base level, any increase in speed/bandwidth for the data pipeline has a ton of benefits. The faster the data can be read/written between components enable for faster computing of everything.

 

[Handy Fake]

I hope that corridors, tunnels, climbs, lifts, etc ... will be reduced or eliminated thanks to sdd.

You've just wiped out half of Ubisoft's game content.

 

[Reindeer]

Moore's Law is Dead said that he thinks Sony's console might be less powerful teraflop wise while targeting lower price, and he thinks that PS5 will have custom audio and RT chips along with faster SSD. He also said Sony will go for more smarter design to the hardware while Microsoft will go for brute power. Interesting thoughts.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I cou

I could be very wrong about this , but, at a base level, any increase in speed/bandwidth for the data pipeline has a ton of benefits. The faster the data can be read/written between components enable for faster computing of everything.

Less idle time waiting for the mechanical HDD to feed the math crunching chips.

 

[ethomaz]

Can someone explain to me what would the use of much faster SSD be in a console? On PC we barely see much difference on faster SSD when it comes to things like loading a game. Will this have more to do with games being designed around SSDs and game world data being streamed at faster rate and thus taking oad off from both GPU and CPU?

Games are not made to take advantage of SSDs in PC.
That will probably change with next-gen.

The easy to spot advantages of SSD are no loading times (or super fast) and no more texture pop in in open world games.

But that is the simple cases... devs can use the fast read of SSDs for several things in game... itia open to the devs.

 

[Mod of War]

Dial it back on the petty insults.

Pro Top: Not everyone has everything all figured out.

 

[ethomaz]

Moore's Law is Dead said that he thinks Sony's console might be less powerful teraflop wise while targeting lower price, and he thinks that PS5 will have custom audio and RT chips along with faster SSD. He also said Sony will go for more smarter design to the hardware while Microsoft will go for brute power. Interesting thoughts.

Moore’s law at least in 2020 is not dead yet.
And with Samsung now they found a way to 3nm tech I believe you can risk that death until 2025 minimum.

 

[Henry Clark]

I work as an intern in a AAA studio till 2018 and now I am working on a game for next gen I am new to this industry.We are now working on prototype 1 of console. Now idea of PS5 design .The level of performance machines is somewhere between above 2080 super but slightly below 2080ti.Ram is not confirmed but it is above 16 GB GDDR6 on both machines and "x" GB Gddr4 for os.
Both machines are very powerful but PS5 is in slightly more advanced state but Xbox will resolve that issue.And all GitHub leaks are for PS5 in 2019.
Xbox Series X will release before PS5 that's my bet for sure.
I am not a reliable source please don't believe me.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

Games are not made to take advantage of SSDs in PC.
That will probably change with next-gen.

Some games handle it very well tho

For example RE2 Remake. In well under 30 seconds I can be in game (moving Leon/Claire) from the time I click on desktop icon. Thats double click on icon, smash button through company logos, continue game, in game

Edit. Just tested... 18 seconds

 

[SportsFan581]

Moore's Law is Dead said that he thinks Sony's console might be less powerful teraflop wise while targeting lower price, and he thinks that PS5 will have custom audio and RT chips along with faster SSD. He also said Sony will go for more smarter design to the hardware while Microsoft will go for brute power. Interesting thoughts.

That's exactly the type of thing that I would expect to happen between MS and Sony. It fits the internal R&D style of both, it's cheaper and faster to go brute force (speaking R&D), while a slower more methodical approach lends itself to a lower base price.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I work as an intern in a AAA studio till 2018 and now I am working on a game for next gen I am new to this industry.We are now working on prototype 1 . The level of performance machines is somewhere between above 2080 super but slightly below 2080ti.
Both machines are very powerful but PS5 is in slightly more advanced state but Xbox will resolve that issue.And all GitHub leaks are for PS5 in 2019.
Xbox Series X will release before PS5 that's my bet for sure.
I am not a reliable source please don't believe me.

You need to meet Mod of War and get you somewhat vetted.

Love that you are here and your input.

 

[ethomaz]

Some games handle it very well tho

For example RE2 Remake. In well under 30 seconds I can be in game (moving Leon/Claire) from the time I click on desktop icon. Thats double click on icon, smash button through company logos, continue game, in game

Yeap some engines do better with SSDs than others but it is not taking real advantage from SSDs speeds.

It open more options to devs than just fast loading times.

First advantage from Sony promises is littload times... they already tried that with first-party games on PS4 (Killzone loads in 8s) but now I think all first-party games will try to archive that.

But it is up to devs what to do with the SSD high speeds.... so 3rd-party is unknown what they will do.

 

[Reindeer]

Moore’s law at least in 2020 is not dead yet.
And with Samsung now they found a way to 3nm tech I believe you can risk that death until 2025 minimum.

'Moore's Law is Dead' is actually a name of the YouTuber.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

'Moore's Law is Dead' is actually a name of the YouTuber.

And on Twitter if its the same guy anyhow.

Nevermind I see it is the same guy.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

Yeap some engines do better with SSDs than others but it is not taking real advantage from SSDs speeds.

It open more options to devs than just fast loading times.

100%

 

[Reindeer]

There are now rumours circulating that Series X might have a Windows boot mode that will allow it to access Steam and Epic Store and play PC games natively. Very interesting.

 

[ethomaz]

'Moore's Law is Dead' is actually a name of the YouTuber.

OMG.
Sorry for that.

 

[Henry Clark]

Sony will blew your mind away with more PS5 details and Xbox Series X also and with the future planning of Sony and Xbox on cloud(Azure)
You will get that soon.I am leaving or I will be exposed.

 

[Gudji]

Sony will blew your mind away with more PS5 details
You will get that soon.I am leaving or I will be exposed.

Hi Tommy.

 

[Henry Clark]

Sony will blew your mind away with more PS5 details
You will get that soon.I am leaving or I will be exposed.

 

[Kazekage1981]

I work as an intern in a AAA studio till 2018 and now I am working on a game for next gen I am new to this industry.We are now working on prototype 1 of console. Now idea of PS5 design .The level of performance machines is somewhere between above 2080 super but slightly below 2080ti.Ram is not confirmed but it is above 16 GB GDDR6 on both machines and "x" GB Gddr4 for os.
Both machines are very powerful but PS5 is in slightly more advanced state but Xbox will resolve that issue.And all GitHub leaks are for PS5 in 2019.
Xbox Series X will release before PS5 that's my bet for sure.
I am not a reliable source please don't believe me.

Sony will blew your mind away with more PS5 details and Xbox Series X also and with the future planning of Sony and Xbox on cloud(Azure)
You will get that soon.I am leaving or I will be exposed.

WTF?

 

[Handy Fake]

Sony will blew your mind away with more PS5 details and Xbox Series X also and with the future planning of Sony and Xbox on cloud(Azure)
You will get that soon.I am leaving or I will be exposed.

 

[Kazekage1981]

I think Henry Clark is an alien or from the future. I believe. Skynet starts from PS5 and Xsex, Samsung neon, and dawsons creek trapper keeper

 

[it_wasn't_me]

What am I doing? You think it Sony was more powerful you all wouldnt be reminding me of how confident I was? I was told id be shut up etc , truths coming, etc, im still here. Klee bowed out and self banned himself on resetera.

Why you don't try to be nice guy like Klee and ask for ban like Klee did?

 

[Agnostic2020]

Sony will blew your mind away with more PS5 details and Xbox Series X also and with the future planning of Sony and Xbox on cloud(Azure)
You will get that soon.I am leaving or I will be exposed.

Any TF numbers to share ?

 

[Nickolaidas]

I have no clue how they will go about this, no guesses here.

How loud do you guess the ps5 will be?

Just guess.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

How loud do you guess the ps5 will be?

Just guess.

I am afraid its going to be loud.

 

[xool]

?

 

[Darklor01]

I am afraid its going to be loud.

just a guess... will it blend?

 

[ANIMAL1975]

As a game programmer I would say both machines are very powerful.
Both are targeting above 11 TF's.Very similar in performance.Sony has edge over Microsoft in terms of SSD and Ray tracing.

I don't trust you if not an AMD engineer from Github

Can someone explain to me what would the use of much faster SSD be in a console? On PC we barely see much difference on faster SSD when it comes to things like loading a game. Will this have more to do with games being designed around SSDs and game world data being streamed at faster rate and thus taking oad off from both GPU and CPU?

I got a good read for you
PS5 SSD tech patent dive

You will get that soon.I am leaving or I will be exposed.

People talk about PS5 RAM and they go panic mode

 

[Handy Fake]

just a guess... will it blend?

Not on your life, my Hindu friend.

 

[DJ12]

You will get that soon.I am leaving or I will be exposed.

Lol you aboslute facker. Everyone knows no one in the industry care about what's said on gaf anymore.

You could post your full name photo of your desk and your boss standing next to a Dev kit and literally no one outside this forum would give a crap.

 

[Darklor01]

Lol you aboslute facker. Everyone knows no one in the industry care about what's said on gaf anymore.

You could post your full name photo of your desk and your boss standing next to a Dev kit and literally no one outside this forum would give a crap.

But a cleaning person near a dev kit with the worse cell phone photography ever, everyone goes nuts.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

LOL

Oh for fucks sake. It's going to be radio silence until E3 isn't it.

 

[sonomamashine]

Sony will blew your mind away with more PS5 details and Xbox Series X also and with the future planning of Sony and Xbox on cloud(Azure)
You will get that soon.I am leaving or I will be exposed.

The thirst is real, you need to praise Sony & keep the vagueness (waw its f... nothing), you will be validated by most here, keep it up

 

[nowhat]

-PS5 backwards compatibility with PS4 with special sauce that makes the graphics look better

I don't think anyone has implied this? If so, I stand corrected. What I'm expecting is BC to PS4, with "PS5 patches" if the developer/publisher so chooses (I wouldn't expect much outside first-party).

 

[Gavin Stevens]

So above 2080 super and below 2080ti, so using a £600 at least gpu, in a £500 or less console, before you even factor in cpu, SSD, every other cost...

Come on people, let’s not be idiots.we all know they get prices cheaper than we do, but let’s be realistic here

 

[Handy Fake]

So above 2080 super and below 2080ti, so using a £600 at least gpu, in a £500 or less console, before you even factor in cpu, SSD, every other cost...

Come on people, let’s not be idiots.

It's certainly a stretch, but you're forgetting wholesale prices. And they're going to be buying a-ha-ha-ha-lot of them.

 

[Rossco EZ]

I am afraid its going to be loud.

there’s a finalised design?

 

[sonomamashine]

So above 2080 super and below 2080ti, so using a £600 at least gpu, in a £500 or less console, before you even factor in cpu, SSD, every other cost...

Come on people, let’s not be idiots.

Don't interfer with their trip, they wasted $$ on those pills.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

It's certainly a stretch, but you're forgetting wholesale prices. And they're going to be buying a-ha-ha-ha-lot of them.

Of course, I did edit my post above after you quoted lol. But even THEN, you’re adding an expensive gpu, with a super cutting edge (Apparently) SSD, with a decent CPU, and some over the top good ram, and everything else...

This is the same company that sells you a cheap as shit plastic controller for fifty bones, and people in here really are expecting Sony to eat massive losses. That’s not how business works. Sony absolutely will be eating “”””””some”””””” loss, of course. But not £500 worth of loss...

 

[Handy Fake]

Of course, I did edit my post above after you quoted lol. But even THEN, you’re adding an expensive gpu, with a super cutting edge (Apparently) SSD, with a decent CPU, and some over the top good ram, and everything else...

This is the same company that sells you a cheap as shit plastic controller for fifty bones, and people in here really are expecting Sony to eat massive losses. That’s not how business works. Sony absolutely will be eating “”””””some”””””” loss, of course. But not £500 worth of loss...

I think we're going to have to see. Again I think it's a stretch but who knows how these deals operate behind the scenes?

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

There are now rumours circulating that Series X might have a Windows boot mode that will allow it to access Steam and Epic Store and play PC games natively. Very interesting.

I hope that's the case; Steam machines failed utterly, but Valve simply did the concept poorly. The concept itself is still sound.

Plus it'd be cool if I could use it as an emulation box for DOS, retro consoles etc. (assuming what you can do with the Windows included in there). Funnily enough the idea of a game console with a computer OS style feature sandboxed is something that was last tried with Other OS on PS3.

I assume that was a neat feature, but PS3 basically bottlenecked the feature by limited hardware resources to it. Would like to think MS would find a way to give Windows full system resource access but sandboxing it so that the Xbox side can still function fully as normal.

 

[Gudji]

So above 2080 super and below 2080ti, so using a £600 at least gpu, in a £500 or less console, before you even factor in cpu, SSD, every other cost...

Come on people, let’s not be idiots.

Comparison with PC component prices is irrelevant.

You should read these two posts by the ex-MS Albert Penello, its good insight:

You are paying for surface area. If the chip is the same size as chips in existing boxes, then it doesn't matter what's inside the chip. And the size determines many other factors (case, cooling, etc).

And we still don't know how much memory is on these machines, or the size of the SSD. If these have 12-16GB of GDDR6 and 1tb SSD or less, then you have a very manageable launch BOM with a roadmap to get to $0 loss.

IMO too much analysis is done on what PC parts costs. My speculation that Sony would be 8-9TFLOPS was derived from hitting a $399 price.

But that's just my experience. Lots of things could have changed.

From the perspective of the BOM, yes.

I don't want to get into the business relationships and how these things are funded, but if you're focused on how the console manufactures look at pricing and profitability, you pay for a giant sheet of wafers. Some of them are good, some of them are bad. How many working wafers you get off that sheet is how you price the chip.

Bigger chip = less wafers = more cost.
Smaller chip = more wafers (also better yields) = less cost.

The technology that's actually inside the chip is largely irrelevant to the costs at the scale of consoles. That's why PC price parts analogies don't work.

The last line on the 2nd quote is pretty interesting.

Jason Schreier also said he heard consoles would be getting GPus better than RTX 2080. We'll see but, looking at the SoC for XSX it definitely looks like it's going to be a beast.

 

[ManaByte]

there’s a finalised design?

If they're really doing something next month to reveal it like they did the PS4 there is.

 

[johnjohn]

I am afraid its going to be loud.

I think this is the biggest worry with the PS5. It's definitely going to be a beast, but how loud is it going to be?

 

[Rossco EZ]

If they're really doing something next month to reveal it like they did the PS4 there is.

i know but i dont see how they would know noise levels seeing as devs surely wouldnt have a final design ps5, so unless he means the dev kit ?