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Rightisright
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Yeah, it makes sense to run two prototypes at the same time rather than just one.
I suspect they have minor differences and they are being evaluated.
If Oberon was to have a major revision like additional Cu's, I would expect it to have a different name, as it would no longer be Oberon. So if Oberon is still being tested I would think it still has the 36CUs.
vivftp
Member
Killzone! *GASP* MS to acquire Guerilla Games!!!
MDK? MS bring back MDK?
Overkill Software?
lol, dunno what else wold reference killing.
Disco_
Member
EA killing BioWare. Anthem 2.0 XSX exclusive.
You are missing the fact that they didnt continue with development of "old" chip, they are using different codenames for same chip.
Ariel, Gonzalo, Prosper - dev kit (tempest)
Oberon, Flute - retail (midsummers night dream).
Ariel has A0/B0 then Oberon came with A0/B0 (know it from Github).
These are 4 steppings for same chip. How do I know? Because pci id range (13FF) belongs to BOTH.
PCI Devices
pci-ids.ucw.cz
13e9 - early Ariel
13F9 - Oberon A0
Look here
AMD 00840F40 = 13F9
So Komachi said, oh, its Ariel range so its 5th revision of Ariel. What he forgot that Oberon PCI ID is same range and, as posted above, actually is 13F9.
Ariel (A0/B0), Oberon (A0/B0/C0) = 5 revisions (F00>F10>F20>F30>F40). Ariel and Oberon are same chip, only renamed on purpose by Sony. So instead of Ariel E0 (or as some thought Oberon E0), its Oberon C0, but since both belong under same PCI ID code as they are same chips, system identifies it as 5 steppings.
To make it super simple for everyone check last 4 characters from following APU codes :
Gonzalo - January 2019
Gonzalo - April 2019
Flute - June 2019
You will notice that Gonzalo contains earlier ID (13E9 and 13F8), while Flute contains 13F9. As posted above, all are same range and same GPU, but 13E9 and 13F8 belong to Ariel A0 and B0, as well as dev kit (tempest), while 13F9 belongs to Oberon (likely A0, midsummers night dream).
So thats it.
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Dee Dah Dave
Member
devilNprada
Member
Sounds like Henry was ri'ight.
chemical boy
Member
Gudji
Member
OsirisBlack
the rabbid fanboys on the other site won't let you have an easy time. As soon as you appeared they went full force. Might as well not try to say anything regarding what you heard.
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demigod
Member
Yeah he’s not so popular over there it seems. They want his head.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
They will eventually throw rocks at him and run him off, he will return to the nicer side of things.
chemical boy
Member
The impression I have is that many Xbox users are afraid of PS5 being more powerful, it gives that feeling. And so they prefer to discard any leak that is not favorable to Xbox. I think many do not forget what happened in 2013. If I were Osiris I would not have registered in RE
The Mad Draklor
Member
Rabid fanboys and far left extremism make for a rather unpalatable combo in Era.
xool
Member
Thanks. So glad someone is doing this. Someone who isn't me.
[edit - so there was no "huge revision" (E0) like reported a week back, just an interpretation error]
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Silents Hills by Kojima
demigod
Member
It’s not just that, many of them are hoping ps5 will be 9.2TF. They don’t want to play nice with the 5-10% difference between the 2.
Disco_
Member
Would they go back to MS after buying their way out a decade ago and again buying themselves out from under ACTI recently?
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
My impression is that users on both side are quick to react if they think the brand they are faithful to might have a less powerful console. It’s a bit of personal pride and when you’re spending half a grand give or take, you want to believe you’re buying the best product for the money.
Self High Five
Member
FranXico
Member
It's CDPR. MS is going to moneyhat them to delay the PC version, and possibly cancel the PlayStation versions.
And I actually remember now... The Witcher 4, Xbox exclusive. Would sting a bit indeed...
Hell on Earth scenario if that happened.
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TLZ
Banned
These guys are so crazy they'd have their own heads.
As I understand that 5th revision (Oberon
C0) showed up recently. So the 36CU Oberon is still alive and kicking.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
I think that's certainly true, but it seems even more evident with Sony users when there is anything indicating PS5 might be weaker.
Yea, its not that Oberon went from B0 to E0 from June, its that 13FF GPU (Ariel/Oberon) went from 00 to 40 revision since beginning.
But that means it went from Ariel A0/B0 to Oberon A0/B0 and now likely Oberon C0. 5 steppings, but not 3 from June and Oberon B0.
nowhat
Member
GermanZepp
Member
The ssd? Eliminate popping, load better textures? Or someting like that. Idk
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Hawking Radiation
Member
Its crazy but its been happening for months now.
Andrew Reiner got mauled on Twitter after he posted PS5 was slightly more powerful forcing him to state he would refrain from posting anything regarding next gen.
People took the Github leaks as gospel proclaiming the PS5 at 9.2TF or less even though the data was inconclusive.
It shouldn't matter to anyone because insider info all points to both machines being equal.
Hawking Radiation
Member
You have to be very careful how you post on Resetera. It also depends on the info he provides. If it favours team green, team blue will be out for blood. The same if its the other way around.
vpance
Member
TeamGhobad
Banned
Nope. its better for the industry if xbox and ps5 sales are close and there is competition and that can only happen if xbox has the more powerful console.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Nah,
OsirisBlack
said not to worry about CDPR. Although that would definitely break the internet. Sony is already moneyhatting FFVI, so maybe MS going to Moneyhat The Eldin Ring - But I think the Japanese studio was the one they are allegedly buying so I have no idea, since I seriously doubt MS is going to buy From Software.
I can't think of what non-Japanese, non-Western game they could moneyhat that would break the internet other than CP2077.
The Mad Draklor
Member
It will always come down to the software. That is why the Switch has allegedly already passed the XB1 despite the former being incredibly less graphically capable.
Osiris hinted that Microsoft is "killing" it on the software department. So if anything, if the XSX is more competitive against the PS5 than the XB1 against the PS4, it will be because of the software.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Nah not really. No matter how fast an SSD is, it will still be orders of magnitude slower than the actual RAM. The GPU needs feeding really fast to do it’s thing.
TeamGhobad
Banned
sure down the line, but initial buzz is all about the power. maybe times have changed now.
The Mad Draklor
Member
You misunderstood the situation of the beginning of this generation. The reason why there was buzz about the power differential was because the PS4 was more powerful while also being less expensive. Even after Microsoft dropped the Kinect, the PS4 still had the better value proposition because it was more powerful while costing as much as a standalone XB1.
Power alone will not be a factor. Power will only be a factor if there is a significant difference in performance per dollar.
01011001
Banned
well they could make it "next gen exclusive"
basically making sure that the PS5 doesn't get an enhanced version and this would give them a day 1 raytracing showcase game aswell
TeamGhobad
Banned
games are for sure important but to claim that having the power crown doesn't matter is just wrong. no matter by how small of a margin. multiplats looking better on your console is a huge selling point.
The Mad Draklor
Member
Sure worked out well for the OG Xbox and Gamecube...
01011001
Banned
since when?
was it on PS1? no... was it on PS2? no... was it on PS3? no... is it now on PS4 pro? not really
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ethomaz
Banned
As long as he doesn’t say PS5 is a bit more powerful he will be fine.
Some users there already entered in panic mode lol
Hawking Radiation
Member
This is just pure speculation on my part but i think both machines use the base APU so both are on equal footing regarding raw power.
The difference between them will be things like SSD, RAM setup and Hardware Ray Tracing. I suspect these areas are where you will see one slower or faster than the other.
This would also line up with why many insiders saying that the differences are very minimal between them and why the TF numbers are meaningless.
I may be wrong here but this is my gut feeling with these next consoles.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
The AMD github leaks are simply the most credible, detailed and convincing things we have seen to date on either console outside of Microsoft's Series X reveal and statements made by Sony. Out of context? Certainly. Maybe old info? Certainly possible. But totally false and unrelated to next gen consoles? Definitely not. The information contained within those leaks were powerful and highly convincing with many AMD employees with their names to the documents. We implying someone made that elaborate a fake to mess with people?
If the AMD github leak is inconclusive what do we consider unverified information from all kinds of insiders, pastebins and twitter rumors who are unable to provide the kind of detail we got from the AMD leak? Everybody at some point has said something. What they suspect or think, but the AMD github leaks provided us with raw data straight from AMD. No insider has yet taken the risk to deliver as much detail as what was inside those leaks.
ArabianPrynce
Member
CAN SOMEONE JUST FUCKING LEAK SOMETHING, REALLY GETTING SICK OF ALL THE TEASING. CBOAT came back and said nothing lol
alabtrosMyster
Member
Well, the hardware is still in flux, do even if you send the most current at any given time it can change, until its specs are fixed, sometimes it's too new and there's just not enough of it to distribute to all studios (not worth the effort).. and nobody, or very few, code to the metal, they code to the APIs, so as long as they are compatible you can use that machine as ab test bed it had to be enough at this point in time.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Here are the facts. Nobody knows anything. Sony and Microsoft are both closed off and nobody is talking. We will have to wait till Microsoft and Sony show their hands.
CyberPanda
Banned
Lol Osiris is posting on Reeeee now. Gross.
ethomaz
Banned
Most of actual games loading and pop in happens because the HDD is not supplying the RAM fast enough.
SSD will easily fix that issue.
SportsFan581
Member
+/- 10% or even 20%, that isn't much of a crown. If PS has MS beat by more than that, it could be an issue.
Even then, assuming MS is still priced $100 more, things wouldn't be as bad as last gen. Xbone wasn't just weaker it was harder to max ou its potential, making it weaker still.
Even then, assuming MS is still priced $100 more, things wouldn't be as bad as last gen. Xbone wasn't just weaker it was harder to max ou its potential, making it weaker still.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Hope he doesn’t catch anything and bring it back with him.
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