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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Well then :messenger_neutral: not sure how I missed this post. Not sure who this person is and not questioning them, everything pretty much is in order with what I have heard So in order. The 2GHz being stress tests makes sense and I was also told $499 at a loss. 12.5 so 12.6 I guess that's pretty vague. Heard this a while ago so clock up or down could be a different number but highly doubt it will be lower. The RT being a wash would honestly be new news to me cant comment one way or the other. Last I heard V was greater than Sex in that department. I'd rather it be even tbh. A deal being made? do you work for? Hmm can't message you. Weaker kid brother heard that exact statement from a developer. Hmm ....
Edited to add: I am looking under the bridge cautiously.
whoa
 

DJ12

Member
Whew! It’s getting a little hot in here. We should spray a little @R600 in here to bring this place back down to a cool eight teraflops.
Still waiting for him to reference the E0 steeping his main squeeze found while he was banned from the thread.

Guess he's ignoring it as it may mean he's wrong about everything.
 
I don't see why they would have different chips for dev and retail .. even if the dev one is earlier (prototyping ?) .. why continue its development when they have the retail now (unless the retail doesn't work)

..I mean - can't imagine why there would be hardware difference between the two .. dev kit needs more power - just picke the good ones and overclock, ..

something obvious I'm missing ?

[not promoting some craxzy theory, just don't understand the 'facts']

[edit - is there evidence they are still actively working on Ariel?]
LOL hiding it from Microsoft to avoid leaks & topping it with a better APU.
Everybody celebrating on one side based on those AMD leaks (essentially small test runs for more complete chips) are going to be disappointed. I can say with certainty while the tests are real, the PS5 chip has over 40 CUs.

Who has the stronger console shouldn't be considered as case closed, and the advantage isn't exactly on Xbox's side in that department. Sony has kept their cards close to their chest, very close, and as a result appear poised to surprise everybody again like they did in 2013. Only this time, there hasn't been a superdae style leak that accurately depicts most of Sony's plans. Sony did not skimp on their GPU. It is competitive with Xbox GPU. In fact, what has annoyed me recently has been all the vagueness, so I'll just flat out say it here. The PS5 GPU is stronger and larger than the Xbox chip. They're close, but Sony wins in that department, and anybody that doubts it come speak to me after the reveal.

Who the hell am I? Why should you believe me? I can't say because, well, NDAs are a bitch, and I'm not a fan of being hauled into court, but I'm not in agreement with how quiet Sony has been when they have the better box, so just consider me a friend tossing you guys a bone. I won't be participating too heavily in this thread because, quite frankly I don't want all the attention, but I see a lot of people settling on this ridiculous 9.2TFLOPs mess and I cringe when I see it. No, Sony isn't running their GPU as hot as some are thinking. Those 2GHz numbers were literally stress tests. No more, no less. And BC does not hinder Sony from increasing their CUs, cause they clearly have.

Everyone is assuming what form factor sony is going with based on their dev kit, don't. Microsoft aren't the only ones willing to draw more power in the next gen from their console. Sony are not designing a $399 console, they are shooting straight at the $499 price point and will likely have to take a loss because their SSD (SWEET JESUS THAT SSD!!!) is no game. They probably could have hit $399 easy without it, but I'm not mad at them.

And to add further context to Bluepoints tweet, "stay hungry" stop overreacting and getting nervous that the 9.2TFLOPS PS5 is real or a thing. It isn't, and they are fully aware of this. I will repeat because no other insider has made it quite clear yet, too much vagueness. The PS5 GPU is greater than 12.5 Teraflops, but less than 14TF. Is above 40 CUs (bye bye 5700 range navi - the thing that bugged us the most probably)

In all honesty when Phil Spencer put the Scarlett chip in his profile, and Xbox started flexing, Sony should have done the same. It would have been most interesting to see what measurements everybody came back with on both, and I will leave it at that on the chip size. On hardware ray tracing, both consoles are more or less similar, there is no super, special secret sauce. The story is just about the same there. I expect few games to use it because of the performance penalty, which is why you probably see Sony not mouthing off on that front. Xbox will find themselves in a precarious position to be pushing it so hard and then fail to deliver on it. Sony is choosing to take the humble route, but there is no advantage on either side for RT. It's a wash.

And finally, again, I know nobody here has any reason to believe a single word of what I just said, but trust when I tell you guys everything I say here you can take to the bank. We are in the early development phase of a title that will release first on Xbox even though all of our initial work, tests and benchmarks for performance, basically our entire invested time since the game was a concept, were done on ps5 until I guess a deal was made? We are not cross-platform. Next Gen Only. So now we have to do our best show pony routine and start building for xbox first with a later release on PS5 (might even drag us up on stage or something to show some ass). One of those fake exclusives as it were. We went from building for one powerful spec to now having to develop for an entirely different beast and its weaker kid brother. SSD optimizations (what the fuck do we need those for anymore?) Fan fucking tastic. I'm sure our art guys are loving it right now.

I’m done ranting, see you guys at reveal.
You kinda remind me of those :

I advise you to watch it fully.
Nice try tho.
Thanks for all this info. But we'd like less vagueness like you said so an exact TF number would be great ;)
Lol i don't think between 12,5TF & 14TF is that vague, either way it's a dream case right ?
If you believe a random post on Neogaf over your “sources” then what does that tell you?
Sarcasm ?
The calculated vagueness, and the fact that he talks like a dev, must be a dev. Also has the blessing of OsirisBlack.
:messenger_grinning_squinting: and who is OsirisBlack OsirisBlack again ?
 

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
Mate both sides flip flop. It’s hilarious to see. I will say Sony are the worst by a large margin though. Anything that even so much as threatens their precious box and they go the extra mile to protect it.

But some of the flipping I’m seeing here ohhh boy... it’s embarrassing. It’s got to the point now that a leak could come out that says you don’t need a tv to play the damn thing and you just use haptic feedback, and certain posters here would shit on Xbox for having old ass tv tech.

It’s loony.
I don't believe so.

Many YouTube channels from Xbox fans gain popularity by criticizing Sony products. Dealer and Crapgamer being a few of them.

You know, it was about the games early on and they were saying power doesn't matter, which changed when DX12 and the Cloud rumors started to surfaced. Xbox fans accused Sony fans of being scared and this changed when people started to realize that DX12 was not going to make the XB1 more powerful. About a year after that, the Scorpio rumors started to surface and now they brag about power a lot.

That's a lot of flip-flops in one generation.
 

demigod

Member
Yeah, he works for Tim. Lol. Its a troll to show how gullible some people are. And right on time...

Pretty fucked up for them 3 to be in it on the prank, I expected better.

Mod of War Mod of War you guys even going to do anything or just allow any new members to pose as insiders? It’s been rampant the past week. Maybe we should go back to the old days and give people a swift ban for posing as insiders.
 
I don't believe so.

Many YouTube channels from Xbox fans gain popularity by criticizing Sony products. Dealer and Crapgamer being a few of them.

You know, it was about the games early on and they were saying power doesn't matter, which changed when DX12 and the Cloud rumors started to surfaced. Xbox fans accused Sony fans of being scared and this changed when people started to realize that DX12 was not going to make the XB1 more powerful. About a year after that, the Scorpio rumors started to surface and now they brag about power a lot.

That's a lot of flip-flops in one generation.
We're you around for the Sony Defence Force in the PS3 era? It was unbearable. Cell this, cell that. Lazy developers here, lazy developers there. Gabe and Carmack didn't know what they were talking about.
Meanwhile for the first 12 months all they had to look forward to was firmware updates and folding at home.
The legacy from that still carries over.
Alot of Xbox fans were old Sega fans, like myself. We kinda have a chip on our shoulders for obvious reasons.
 

Shmunter

Member
Everybody celebrating on one side based on those AMD leaks (essentially small test runs for more complete chips) are going to be disappointed. I can say with certainty while the tests are real, the PS5 chip has over 40 CUs.

Who has the stronger console shouldn't be considered as case closed, and the advantage isn't exactly on Xbox's side in that department. Sony has kept their cards close to their chest, very close, and as a result appear poised to surprise everybody again like they did in 2013. Only this time, there hasn't been a superdae style leak that accurately depicts most of Sony's plans. Sony did not skimp on their GPU. It is competitive with Xbox GPU. In fact, what has annoyed me recently has been all the vagueness, so I'll just flat out say it here. The PS5 GPU is stronger and larger than the Xbox chip. They're close, but Sony wins in that department, and anybody that doubts it come speak to me after the reveal.

Who the hell am I? Why should you believe me? I can't say because, well, NDAs are a bitch, and I'm not a fan of being hauled into court, but I'm not in agreement with how quiet Sony has been when they have the better box, so just consider me a friend tossing you guys a bone. I won't be participating too heavily in this thread because, quite frankly I don't want all the attention, but I see a lot of people settling on this ridiculous 9.2TFLOPs mess and I cringe when I see it. No, Sony isn't running their GPU as hot as some are thinking. Those 2GHz numbers were literally stress tests. No more, no less. And BC does not hinder Sony from increasing their CUs, cause they clearly have.

Everyone is assuming what form factor sony is going with based on their dev kit, don't. Microsoft aren't the only ones willing to draw more power in the next gen from their console. Sony are not designing a $399 console, they are shooting straight at the $499 price point and will likely have to take a loss because their SSD (SWEET JESUS THAT SSD!!!) is no game. They probably could have hit $399 easy without it, but I'm not mad at them.

And to add further context to Bluepoints tweet, "stay hungry" stop overreacting and getting nervous that the 9.2TFLOPS PS5 is real or a thing. It isn't, and they are fully aware of this. I will repeat because no other insider has made it quite clear yet, too much vagueness. The PS5 GPU is greater than 12.5 Teraflops, but less than 14TF. Is above 40 CUs (bye bye 5700 range navi - the thing that bugged us the most probably)

In all honesty when Phil Spencer put the Scarlett chip in his profile, and Xbox started flexing, Sony should have done the same. It would have been most interesting to see what measurements everybody came back with on both, and I will leave it at that on the chip size. On hardware ray tracing, both consoles are more or less similar, there is no super, special secret sauce. The story is just about the same there. I expect few games to use it because of the performance penalty, which is why you probably see Sony not mouthing off on that front. Xbox will find themselves in a precarious position to be pushing it so hard and then fail to deliver on it. Sony is choosing to take the humble route, but there is no advantage on either side for RT. It's a wash.

And finally, again, I know nobody here has any reason to believe a single word of what I just said, but trust when I tell you guys everything I say here you can take to the bank. We are in the early development phase of a title that will release first on Xbox even though all of our initial work, tests and benchmarks for performance, basically our entire invested time since the game was a concept, were done on ps5 until I guess a deal was made? We are not cross-platform. Next Gen Only. So now we have to do our best show pony routine and start building for xbox first with a later release on PS5 (might even drag us up on stage or something to show some ass). One of those fake exclusives as it were. We went from building for one powerful spec to now having to develop for an entirely different beast and its weaker kid brother. SSD optimizations (what the fuck do we need those for anymore?) Fan fucking tastic. I'm sure our art guys are loving it right now.

I’m done ranting, see you guys at reveal.
Well then :messenger_neutral: not sure how I missed this post. Not sure who this person is and not questioning them, everything pretty much is in order with what I have heard So in order. The 2GHz being stress tests makes sense and I was also told $499 at a loss. 12.5 so 12.6 I guess that's pretty vague. Heard this a while ago so clock up or down could be a different number but highly doubt it will be lower. The RT being a wash would honestly be new news to me cant comment one way or the other. Last I heard V was greater than Sex in that department. I'd rather it be even tbh. A deal being made? do you work for? Hmm can't message you. Weaker kid brother heard that exact statement from a developer. Hmm ....
Edited to add: I am looking under the bridge cautiously.

Megaton! Just in time to spice up the conversation
 

Bryank75

Banned
We're you around for the Sony Defence Force in the PS3 era? It was unbearable. Cell this, cell that. Lazy developers here, lazy developers there. Gabe and Carmack didn't know what they were talking about.
Meanwhile for the first 12 months all they had to look forward to was firmware updates and folding at home.
The legacy from that still carries over.
Alot of Xbox fans were old Sega fans, like myself. We kinda have a chip on our shoulders for obvious reasons.
Crap is pro-Sony now anyway!
 

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
We're you around for the Sony Defence Force in the PS3 era? It was unbearable. Cell this, cell that. Lazy developers here, lazy developers there. Gabe and Carmack didn't know what they were talking about.
Meanwhile for the first 12 months all they had to look forward to was firmware updates and folding at home.
The legacy from that still carries over.
Alot of Xbox fans were old Sega fans, like myself. We kinda have a chip on our shoulders for obvious reasons.
I remember having the most powerful console during the two previous generations was something Xbox fans loved talking about.

I'm not saying PlayStation fans are innocent because they did the same thing to Sega fans when it was the Dreamcast vs the PS2.

The problem is that Xbox fans this generation want to pretend like this stuff never happened and I just freakin laugh when they try to play victim.
 
H

Henry Clark

Unconfirmed Member
Sorry my bad from 10.5to 12 tf, conditions are very strict.Yes I will be banned soon. Seniors taught both Xbox and PS are planning big reveal and other future planning.
 

xool

Member
Well then :messenger_neutral: not sure how I missed this post. Not sure who this person is and not questioning them, everything pretty much is in order with what I have heard So in order. The 2GHz being stress tests makes sense and I was also told $499 at a loss. 12.5 so 12.6 I guess that's pretty vague. Heard this a while ago so clock up or down could be a different number but highly doubt it will be lower. The RT being a wash would honestly be new news to me cant comment one way or the other. Last I heard V was greater than Sex in that department. I'd rather it be even tbh. A deal being made? do you work for? Hmm can't message you. Weaker kid brother heard that exact statement from a developer. Hmm ....
Edited to add: I am looking under the bridge cautiously.
No blessing given,I remain skeptical could be someone trolling ...... would be a master class troll job. Regurgitating things that have been said previously with a few changes (which are now oddly enough being accepted by Xcloudtimdog and a few others that stand out.) Has me wary.
Bitch make your fucking mind up.
 
I see -

-Github leaks heavily tied to PlayStation
-Alfred Panini saying over and over that he expects a 399 PS5
-Xbox showing their console at the game awards in front of the Sony bigwigs, not afraid to start throwing around terms like ‘fastest’ and ‘most powerful’.
-Also show the chip shortly after, more bragging

Given the above I’m struggling to see the PS5 turn out to be the better hardware overall, it would be some odd flexing from Microsoft. But stranger things have happened!
 
I remember having the most powerful console during the two previous generations was something Xbox fans loved talking about.

I'm not saying PlayStation fans are innocent because they did the same thing to Sega fans when it was the Dreamcast vs the PS2.

The problem is that Xbox fans this generation want to pretend like this stuff never happened and I just freakin laugh when they try to play victim.
While I am sure there are some blind Xbox fanboys, most of them like myself were pissed big time about what MS did with the OG One. It was just so mind boggling that they could screw something up so badly. It was almost like Sony got some spies in to sobotage MS. I mean, Sony couldn't of done a better job at it.
And it just wasn't the power difference. It was more expensive. Always on. Couldnt buy or sell used games. Kinect in the box. I could go on.
I refused to buy the OG one. I got a PS4, Killzone bundle. Over time I kinda missed my Xbox franchises, and MS was trying to redo what they screwed up. So when the X came out, I sold my PS 4 and got the X. And I love it.
Now I think MS isn't going to balls up again, and the X is an indication of what they are going to do next gen.
I used to go off at Sony because they used to bullshit their specs and overhype their consoles. They always released CGI "game demos" like Motorstorm and KZ on PS3, and Tekken on PS2. Now under Cerny they haven't done that. They seem pretty honest about what their system is and that's a change for the good.
 

Lampiao

Member
From this information, it seems that some developers are upset about having to develop a game and then being forced to adapt it to lower hardware (lockhart?).
 
I see -

-Github leaks heavily tied to PlayStation
-Alfred Panini saying over and over that he expects a 399 PS5
-Xbox showing their console at the game awards in front of the Sony bigwigs, not afraid to start throwing around terms like ‘fastest’ and ‘most powerful’.
-Also show the chip shortly after, more bragging

Given the above I’m struggling to see the PS5 turn out to be the better hardware overall, it would be some odd flexing from Microsoft. But stranger things have happened!
Regardless of the more powerful system, it's good to see gaming companies take the piss out of each other. Sega used to troll Nintendo. Was it "Sony do what Ninten-dont"?
Sony trolling MS over how to share a PS4 game. So seeing MS photo bomb Sony is kinda cool.
 

jonnyp

Member
I see -

-Github leaks heavily tied to PlayStation
-Alfred Panini saying over and over that he expects a 399 PS5
-Xbox showing their console at the game awards in front of the Sony bigwigs, not afraid to start throwing around terms like ‘fastest’ and ‘most powerful’.
-Also show the chip shortly after, more bragging

Given the above I’m struggling to see the PS5 turn out to be the better hardware overall, it would be some odd flexing from Microsoft. But stranger things have happened!

Alfred Panini :D
 

Bryank75

Banned
While I am sure there are some blind Xbox fanboys, most of them like myself were pissed big time about what MS did with the OG One. It was just so mind boggling that they could screw something up so badly. It was almost like Sony got some spies in to sobotage MS. I mean, Sony couldn't of done a better job at it.
And it just wasn't the power difference. It was more expensive. Always on. Couldnt buy or sell used games. Kinect in the box. I could go on.
I refused to buy the OG one. I got a PS4, Killzone bundle. Over time I kinda missed my Xbox franchises, and MS was trying to redo what they screwed up. So when the X came out, I sold my PS 4 and got the X. And I love it.
Now I think MS isn't going to balls up again, and the X is an indication of what they are going to do next gen.
I used to go off at Sony because they used to bullshit their specs and overhype their consoles. They always released CGI "game demos" like Motorstorm and KZ on PS3, and Tekken on PS2. Now under Cerny they haven't done that. They seem pretty honest about what their system is and that's a change for the good.
Yeah, those old cgi clips in Tekken look so ugly now, It's hilarious!
 
I see -

-Github leaks heavily tied to PlayStation
-Alfred Panini saying over and over that he expects a 399 PS5
-Xbox showing their console at the game awards in front of the Sony bigwigs, not afraid to start throwing around terms like ‘fastest’ and ‘most powerful’.
-Also show the chip shortly after, more bragging

Given the above I’m struggling to see the PS5 turn out to be the better hardware overall, it would be some odd flexing from Microsoft. But stranger things have happened!
Sony apparently fooled Microsoft and everyone under the sun knows the ps5 specs except....MS executives. Random forum members know everything but the head of the Xbox division is ignorant. Meanwhile MS is basically screaming about power while Sony is communicating «features».
 

McHuj

Member
In general, I side with the belief in the Github leaks and a 399 PS5.

However, Playstation is a lot more important to Sony than Xbox is to Microsoft so I find it believable that would go all out with the PS5 design and would be willing to sell it at a loss. I hope they surprise and deliver the megatons next month.


Also, I think it's important that both consoles target the highest spec they can, I don't believe we'll get Pro models this time around. This is simply due to the fact of slowing process improvements and in my opinion, you would need to double the GPU perf anything less if insufficient. I don't think we'll get a ~25 Tflop GPU with reasonable power in the next 3-4 years. After that, you're getting too close to next-next gen.
 

Norse

Member
Sony apparently fooled Microsoft and everyone under the sun knows the ps5 specs except....MS executives. Random forum members know everything but the head of the Xbox division is ignorant. Meanwhile MS is basically screaming about power while Sony is communicating «features».
Sony hasn't "communicated" jack shit! Why else would we all be in here speculating? LoL
 
Sony apparently fooled Microsoft and everyone under the sun knows the ps5 specs except....MS executives. Random forum members know everything but the head of the Xbox division is ignorant. Meanwhile MS is basically screaming about power while Sony is communicating «features».

Yeah it’s a safe bet that both the console manufacturers have a VERY good idea what the other is doing long before us regular folks do. They aren’t waiting for Cboat and Kleegamefan to fill them in.

Alfred Panini :D

Haha, I legit forgot his name and couldn’t be bothered to look it up. Sorry Albert <3
 
Sony hasn't "communicated" jack shit! Why else would we all be in here speculating? LoL
Of course they have. What both companies are communicating is obvious, Jim Ryan just made some comments about the ps5. But whatever I guess MS’ entire message being about «power, power, power» means that they have no clue about the sony plans that everyone on the internet seems to know.
 
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