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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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joe_zazen

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Imtjnotu said:
Tim allegedly made a fake account acting as an insider stating ps5 was stronger. He used the the username @YakimaG. And Tim coincidentally lives in the town Yakima, Washington
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sorry, no i was joking.

in all seriousnes, tim has stated he is a 40 something plumber in chicago or somewhere else in Illinois. He could still be Yakima, but he is not a homeless man in Yakima.


again sorry for fucking up the thread a bit
 
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joe_zazen

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Wrt e3, sony just hired a sales and marketing lead, like yesterday. she is the one who will decide things like e3, meetings and whatever. You need to give her some time to get up to speed.

it is a little fucked that they just now have the marketing strategist in place. But i am glad they fired who ever was doing it before, because sony for the last 18 months has been so quiet and dull.
 
Kazekage1981

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I dont get it. Even if these leakers were proven to be false or full of shit, why would they do it in the first place? Do they get a high off of getting all this attention that validates their self worth? What does it take to get to the truth of what these consoles are capable of? These insider leaks are throwing a constant wrench and disruption. In other words they keep fucking around (with my mind).

The suspense on TFLOPS for ps5 and xsex is the same as the suspense for RAM back in ps4 and xbone release. Except this time, no one really cares about RAM, and back in 2013 the TFLOP battle gained a lot of momentum, and comes full circle before the release of Xsex and Ps5.
 
thicc_girls_are_teh_best

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Blindarchangel82 said:
And yet, it's more probable than most of these other "leaks" we've seen 😂
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Not in my opinion. I think MS will have at least one other hardware advantage besides CPU clockspeed. If it's not TFLOPs (although that one seems the most likely), then it'll likely be RAM amount and RAM bandwidth.

One system leaning too heavily over the other in most areas would throw off some of the insiders claiming they're relatively even. OTOH, if either one has a big lead in area like TFLOPs it's most likely XSX based on the Github data and (IMHO) some of Sony's PS5 speak over the past few weeks.
 
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Everyone believing that Sony will, (technically it's possible but 99.9 percent unlikely), do a dual GPU need to understand that's pretty ridiculous.

Please consider what I stated before in how unlikely it is for practical reasons:

It's way less cost effective by alot than doing a big GPU. It produces way more heat, especially per watt in regards to efficiency because Crossfire, for example, is dual but only gives about a 50 percent performance increase and has not been important for AMD to improve: https://www.techradar.com/news/nvid...-is-dead-but-should-we-mourn-multi-gpu-gaming . Sony would have probably an insurmountable hill to climb to cool it with a console's form factor and power budget, especially what's being dreamed of in fanboys heads(Dual 36...72 GPU). If they wanted a higher performing gpu it'd make a hell of a lot more sense to just make a bigger one....that would still have all the problems mentioned but not to the same level as a more expensive, lesser performing crossfire setup that's hotter, less efficient, with a dual GPU setup. In the PC space it happened because you can get a 1000 watt ps unit, large case, various options for cooling and an "unlimited" budget. The dual GPU dream in a console is asinine on many levels.

Sony would have done a "big" GPU, no way in hell would they do a dual GPU, possible sure but world ☮ is also a possibility.

They wouldn't waste all that efficiency, time, power, money, cooling... especially when the alternative is so much more attractive and practical whatever "leaks" and "insiders" say.
 
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joe_zazen

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Damn, i really thought XcloudTimdog XcloudTimdog was a 40ish plumber in chicago.

darrenskywalker said:
Everyone believing that Sony will, (technically it's possible but 99.9 percent unlikely), do a dual GPU need to understand that's pretty ridiculous.

Please consider what I stated before in how unlikely it is for practical reasons:

It's way less cost effective by alot than doing a big GPU. It produces way more heat, especially per watt in regards to efficiency because Crossfire, for example, is dual but only gives about a 50 percent performance increase and has not been important for AMD to improve: https://www.techradar.com/news/nvid...-is-dead-but-should-we-mourn-multi-gpu-gaming . Sony would have probably an insurmountable hill to climb to cool it with a console's form factor and power budget, especially what's being dreamed of in fanboys heads(Dual 36...72 GPU). If they wanted a higher performing gpu it'd make a hell of a lot more sense to just make a bigger one....that would still have all the problems mentioned but not to the same level as a more expensive, lesser performing crossfire setup that's hotter, less efficient, with a dual GPU setup. In the PC space it happened because you can get a 1000 watt ps unit, large case, various options for cooling and an "unlimited" budget. The dual GPU dream in a console is asinine on many levels.

Sony would have done a "big" GPU, no way in hell would they do a dual GPU, possible sure but world ☮ is also a possibility.
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it is except if sony needs a 36 cu gpu for BC and the insiders are right about power, dual gpu is the only way to square that circle. Otherwise, a 36 cu 7nm apu based on 5700 at a reasonable clock will be 8ish TF. Insiders could be wrong, git hub could be unrelated, and sony might not need a mirrored butterfly for BC. But if they do and the console is 12+...
 
SportsFan581

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AMD is doing a lot of work with chiplets and multi-processor systems. Anything is possible. When you look at these dev kits and prototypes, it helps to envision the likely MB placement as a clue regarding just how creative (or not) these systems might be.
 
Blindarchangel82

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thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
Not in my opinion. I think MS will have at least one other hardware advantage besides CPU clockspeed. If it's not TFLOPs (although that one seems the most likely), then it'll likely be RAM amount and RAM bandwidth.

One system leaning too heavily over the other in most areas would throw off some of the insiders claiming they're relatively even. OTOH, if either one has a big lead in area like TFLOPs it's most likely XSX based on the Github data and (IMHO) some of Sony's PS5 speak over the past few weeks.
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I'm inclined to agree with you. Basically my point was that I believe they'll both be quite similar. Each with their own advantages/ disadvantages. I'm just pumped to see some new games. Or, how this gens games can be enhanced.
 
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Blindarchangel82 said:
Well, what if they only used it for Photo Mode, where performance wont matter? Could be a good solution. At least in that instance.
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I actually wonder what would run better, using a massively enhanced version of their current solution or use the RT hardware and raytrace the reflections.

using RT would looks marginally better in this case but I really wonder which of these options would run better
 
THE:MILKMAN

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DaGamez said:
AMD is doing a lot of work with chiplets and multi-processor systems. Anything is possible. When you look at these dev kits and prototypes, it helps to envision the likely MB placement as a clue regarding just how creative (or not) these systems might be.
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Do you have the skills to do a mock up of what the inside of the XSX case might look like based on the case pictures we have had (including Brad Sams latest rear ports image)?

Having looked at a few tiny ITX PC cases I'm wondering how the inside is laid out.
 
Blindarchangel82

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01011001 said:
I actually wonder what would run better, using a massively enhanced version of their current solution or use the RT hardware and raytrace the reflections.

using RT would looks marginally better in this case but I really wonder which of these options would run better
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Idk...but I can't wait to find out! I believe Polyphony Digital said that the assets in GT: Sport were 8k assets. Making them reusable for the next-gen. Not saying the game will be rendered in 8k...I'm not that dumb. But, I bet it will be gorgeous!
 
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Blindarchangel82 said:
Idk...but I can't wait to find out! I believe Polyphony Digital said that the assets in GT: Sport were 8k assets. Making them reusable for the next-gen. Not saying the game will be rendered in 8k...I'm not that dumb. But, I bet it will be gorgeous!
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well yeah, if you go into photo mode in these high end racing games you really have to zoom in real hard to start loosing detail on the cars.

it helps that most cars have very uniform surfaces so you can use super high ress tiled textures for many small details.
 
Mass Shift

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We don't always have to go crying to the Mods for help you know. Some of this stuff isn't that hard for the community to piece together or figure out on our own. As I have observed, the contributors to this thread are pretty damn smart when they divorce themselves from emotion. Ergo, the very element that allows trolls and pranksters to manipulate us. lol

Sure things are tense, but the discussion and the anticipation is still fun. I do admit to being a bit surprised at some of the angst of PS Only gamers who get tight at the thought of MS' Series X coming ahead of the PS5 by even the tiniest margin. After all, MS has quite a bit of an uphill climb in front of them and need any advantages they can muster for the new generation. It will also be interesting to see if they will be judged fairly for what they are trying to do versus the prepared narratives that are still being driven about them.

This generation was very non-competitive. A bit of a snooze to be honest. A livelier and more aggressive MS would make for fantastic era for gaming. I admit to pulling for them this time. They need the boost, and I like what they're doing so far.

A slightly more powerful Series X isn't going to knock the stars out of alignment. PS5 is going to still be a beast with some of the most talented software engineers and creative minds behind it.
 
SmokSmog

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When I see "Insiders claim"
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demigod

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Mass Shift said:
We don't always have to go crying to the Mods for help you know. Some of this stuff isn't that hard for the community to piece together or figure out on our own. As I have observed, the contributors to this thread are pretty damn smart when they divorce themselves from emotion. Ergo, the very element that allows trolls and pranksters to manipulate us. lol

Sure things are tense, but the discussion and the anticipation is still fun. I do admit to being a bit surprised at some of the angst of PS Only gamers who get tight at the thought of MS' Series X coming ahead of the PS5 by even the tiniest margin. After all, MS has quite a bit of an uphill climb in front of them and need any advantages they can muster for the new generation. It will also be interesting to see if they will be judged fairly for what they are trying to do versus the prepared narratives that are still being driven about them.

This generation was very non-competitive. A bit of a snooze to be honest. A livelier and more aggressive MS would make for fantastic era for gaming. I admit to pulling for them this time. They need the boost, and I like what they're doing so far.

A slightly more powerful Series X isn't going to knock the stars out of alignment. PS5 is going to still be a beast with some of the most talented software engineers and creative minds behind it.
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It's not crying, if we allow everyone to come into this thread to pretend they are an insider, the thread would become shit.

You wanna name those PS folks or just generalizing for no reason?
 
it_wasn't_me

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gaming_noob said:
No ban please. This is pretty fun
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This is the only thread in gaming discussion with such number of posts and yet there is no Matt's post like this one.

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you're right. i mis-read your initial post as "there is a 15% power difference" where you actually wrote "up to 15%". apologies! i think i got triggered because i have definitely seen people running with a matt confirmed a 15% difference between the two narrative.
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The Mad Draklor

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Kazekage1981 said:
The suspense on TFLOPS for ps5 and xsex is the same as the suspense for RAM back in ps4 and xbone release. Except this time, no one really cares about RAM, and back in 2013 the TFLOP battle gained a lot of momentum, and comes full circle before the release of Xsex and Ps5.
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Tbf, there was actual suspense for RAM at least for the PS4.
 
Mass Shift

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demigod said:
It's not crying, if we allow everyone to come into this thread to pretend they are an insider, the thread would become shit.

You wanna name those PS folks or just generalizing for no reason?
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Was speaking in general about the PS gamer angst. As for the rest, it really centers on what people are willing to believe. If a Johnny-Come-Lately can come in here and convince us they have answers to everything we're looking for.......................
 
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joe_zazen said:
Damn, i really thought XcloudTimdog XcloudTimdog was a 40ish plumber in chicago.



it is except if sony needs a 36 cu gpu for BC and the insiders are right about power, dual gpu is the only way to square that circle. Otherwise, a 36 cu 7nm apu based on 5700 at a reasonable clock will be 8ish TF. Insiders could be wrong, git hub could be unrelated, and sony might not need a mirrored butterfly for BC. But if they do and the console is 12+...
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Again, you're fighting against reason. They don't "need" a dual GPU at that cost if what I listed previously. Btw I am a real developer of high end business software, not gaming , but I understand the computer engineering and software quite well, but it doesn't take a degree to understand my practical points. Just a rational mind and common sense. I'm happy to be vetted as a real software engineer.
 
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