Gediminas
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10 out of 11 sounds barely as multiplaform, especially when they was just part of the team.
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Deleted member 775630
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We still have to see 1 game that truly uses an SSD to its complete potential. I know loading times will be over, but even if the PS5's SSD is quicker than XSX SSD, I still have to see a game that shows the huge impact it might have you are making it out to be.
nikolino840
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Even with 9tf i thinks there's room for 60+ fps
I’ve been following this Thread for quite some time now, and I really wish Mods would have a zero tolerance policy for people claiming they have inside knowledge and aren’t willing to provide sufficient verification. You got a bunch of people just riding whatever rumor they hear with the rest of us and pretending they have sources like this
Tommy Fisher
guy. The rumor about a Sony acquisition has been circulating for more than a week now, there’s even a thread about if for god sakes. Seriously guy this is just sad, how bad is your life that you have to do this to feel an inkling of fake importance? And if you are really an “insider” (And I’ll bet anybody anything they want that you’re as much of an insider as the cleaning lady at Jim Ryans dermatologist) then please prove it, actually put something on the line and give us the name of developer/publisher Sony is acquiring. Short of that please stop being sad and just go fix your life.
Oh and don’t even get me started on the other bunch throwing riddles at us every chance they get, you know who else gives riddles? Trolls under a bridge. So at least they’re telling us what they are.
Tommy Fisher
guy. The rumor about a Sony acquisition has been circulating for more than a week now, there’s even a thread about if for god sakes. Seriously guy this is just sad, how bad is your life that you have to do this to feel an inkling of fake importance? And if you are really an “insider” (And I’ll bet anybody anything they want that you’re as much of an insider as the cleaning lady at Jim Ryans dermatologist) then please prove it, actually put something on the line and give us the name of developer/publisher Sony is acquiring. Short of that please stop being sad and just go fix your life. Oh and don’t even get me started on the other bunch throwing riddles at us every chance they get, you know who else gives riddles? Trolls under a bridge. So at least they’re telling us what they are.
TheStruggler
Report me for trolling ND/TLoU2 threads
ANIMAL1975
Member
9.2tf flute confirmed damn
That was my first thought to, yesterday i compared it with cboat riddle that people think it's about Edge of Tomorrow, and quoted this post of dolabla
It's about some crazy glitch that sent him to a old post of his, when he clicked cboats name! (the post was about Vita games...)
Are you there
dolabla
is the glitch still on for you? With me doesn't work lol
SlimySnake
is that you Yeah Tommy, i have asked you this before about Darius calling you out on the L cache, and you going MIA.
What's the catch?
chemical boy
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I’ve been following this Thread for quite some time now, and I really wish Mods would have a zero tolerance policy for people claiming they have inside knowledge and aren’t willing to provide sufficient verification. You got a bunch of people just riding whatever rumor they hear with the rest of us and pretending they have sources like this
Oh and don’t even get me started on the other bunch throwing riddles at us every chance they get, you know who else gives riddles? Trolls under a bridge. So at least they’re telling us what they are.
Another newly registered to attack Tommy ...
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
*yet.
Keep in mind that just because you release a couple of 12tf beasts with the latest tech inside, it doesn’t mean at launch it’s going to be used even close to its potential.
Christ, ray tracing has been about a while now, and we are still only just dipping into that.
Insane Metal
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Just for fun, Intel's Comet Lake 10C/20T bench: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/1005778
Compare that to Ryzen 3900: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/990509
Disastrous for Intel.
Compare that to Ryzen 3900: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/990509
Disastrous for Intel.
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Deleted member 775630
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True, it has a lot of potential. But now developers have to make use of it. If they don't then your statement of game over for Xbox due to a faster SSD in PS5 is incorrect. You just made a lot of assumptions for calling the XSX game over if it seems that their SSD is a bit slower.
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chemical boy
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Does it start with R?
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Think of the long game. In 5 years time, what’s it going to be like, when you load assets less than half the speed the competition can?
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Well that purely depends if we are talking PS5 1sec, and XSX 2sec, or PS5 30sec and XSX 1min... One is a lot worse than the other, which is what I meant with that we still have to see how it's used by developers. And IF the SSD of PS5 is 2x as fast as the one of the XSX, then we still have to see IF games use it.
A lot of IF's before saying it's game over for XSX.
gaming_noob
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So it’s good news because a third party is being by acquired by Sony?
Bubububut what’s Left for MS?
gaming_noob
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Things change.
Microsoft Xbox Series X will use Groupe-controlled PCIe 4.0 SSD
Microsoft Xbox Series X will use Groupe-controlled PCIe 4.0 SSD. The PS5018-E18 master will provide a read / write speed of 7GB / swww.gizchina.com
The version Sony has been rumoured to use is E16 which is like 3gbps
Oh God please yes. I’ll start going to church if XSX comes out with better SSD.
ANIMAL1975
Member
Sorry i thought you were being sarcastic lol, is Sony Defence Force like some already told you.
Mista
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Are there any information out there that tell us how much it cost Sony to be at the E3 showfloor? I'm especially curious about the cost that Sony paid to ESA just for the right to be at E3 (not inlcuding floor preparation costs, flying out journalists and devs, paying the orchestras, etc).
Agnostic2020
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?we dont know exactly with what ssd each is coming out with.yet you want better ?
DJ12
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Have you heard of spec sheets? Ms not aiming for ssds that quick so seems unlikely to me but whatever you want to believe is fine with me.
fepeinado
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that's also something I'd love to know
It really seems much smarter to just have a presentation around the same date
I saw some twitter talk saying around 30 million.
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FrozenFlame
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That was my first thought to, yesterday i compared it with cboat riddle that people think it's about Edge of Tomorrow, and quoted this post of dolabla
It's about some crazy glitch that sent him to a old post of his, when he clicked cboats name! (the post was about Vita games...)
Are you there
is the glitch still on for you? With me doesn't work lol
What i didn't get was the Uncharted 4 fp mod screenshot. But it got me thinking (in an unrealistic way) how interesting it would be something like PS Home + playing Crash Bandicoot (psx) on Uncharted 4 + VR. So, basically a PS Home in FP (using or not VR) where you could access all PS consoles and even play multiplayer "locally" online.
(Although i prefer local emulation)
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For people calling me out for being newly registered, Ive Ben on Gaf since 2011 , My Old username is B0xel, Ive been away for a while and I forgot the damn email I used since they used to only accept organizations emails(If one of the mods could please remind me that would be great). But, I’ll address you as well. Stop believing being on a forum longer than someone makes you better than them, build yourself worth on something a little more substantial. Or don’t, I’m just a comment.
Nickolaidas
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I'd love it if Sony decide to stream their event at the exact same time with MS' E3 presentation, just to fuck with them. 
ethomaz
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They won't do that because the journos will all be at E3.I'd love it if Sony decide to stream their event at the exact same time with MS' E3 presentation, just to fuck with them.
splattered
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TheStruggler
Report me for trolling ND/TLoU2 threads
True but in all honesty who do you think will have more public eyes on if the events took place at the same time
ANIMAL1975
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That's a possibility too, if we think about it the 'Project Infinity' naming sounds a lot more wide to be just about retrocomp, maybe it's about all games and all services.
ethomaz
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Mostly will choose Sony event to attend and the big site will make a B team to attendee the MS event imo.... so they will try to cover both... smaller sites will really mostly trend to Sony event because didn't have enough people to cover two events.
But it is not good for Sony and MS.
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Well if this number is in the neighbourhood of the real cost it certainly is a lot of money, no matter how you slice it. Personally I just want the PS5 and next-gen info from Sony. How, where and when they will do it doesn't really concern me. Will they do it at a PS Meeting next month or at around the E3 time in a venue that has nothing to do with the ESA or will they use multiple State of Plays to announce the specs and games it'a all the same to me. Just give me the engineering leads talking about the hardware specifics and optimizations for an hour, 1st and 3rd party devs talking about the new gameplay and level design possibilities offered by the new hardware and showcasing tech demos that take advantage of said hardware and closed-box environment. I would rather want Sony to use that money to acquire studios or expand their 1st party teams than spend it on the use of the E3 IP.
ethomaz
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It was $30k in 2013 for 600 square foot (~55m2).
That is the booth space so you will need to construct the booth in that space that can variate from more $80k to $250k.
Take in mind MS and Sony space are 10x bigger than that one.
Plus you have to pay additional fees to use other parts like to show management you need to pay $15k to GES, finishing cost variate from $7.8k to $11k.
Breaking down the cost of an E3 booth
Semiformal Studios secured a 600 square foot space on the E3 show floor this year, and it ended up spending $100,000 on the entire show. That figure may be shocking – because it's so low. "If we hadn't second-guessed everything, worked really hard, and gotten clever it would have been about...
www.engadget.com
We are talking here over $1m imo for companies like Sony and MS.
Over $100k for smaller companies with that small booth (55m2).
That in 2013.
I won't be surprise that Sony and MS breaks $10 million at E3 today.
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LED Guy?
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What Matt said was his "educated guess", and it was many months back.
He did confirm again that they were his educated guesses, because at that time he didn't know the specs of the Xbox Series X, now he knows both just from what Klee suggested.
ThaMonkeyClaw
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It was $30k in 2013 for 600 square foot (~55m2).
That is the booth space so you will need to construct the booth in that space that can variate from more $80k to $250k.
Take in mind MS and Sony space are 10x bigger than that one.
Plus you have to pay additional fees to use other parts like to show management you need to pay $15k to GES, finishing cost variate from $7.8k to $11k.
Breaking down the cost of an E3 booth
Semiformal Studios secured a 600 square foot space on the E3 show floor this year, and it ended up spending $100,000 on the entire show. That figure may be shocking – because it's so low. "If we hadn't second-guessed everything, worked really hard, and gotten clever it would have been about...
We are talking here over $500m imo for companies like Sony and MS.
Over $100m for smaller companies with that small booth (55m2).
Ouch, $30k for a space the size of my garage is insane! I bet 2021 you won't see Microsoft there either...
ethomaz
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It was 2013... it is probably around $50k or more today.Ouch, $30k for a space the size of my garage is insane! I bet 2021 you won't see Microsoft there either...
Sony and MS get booth 10x or more bigger than these small ones and they pay for that... of course there is discount too (if you get 2 55m2 space you pay less for each one than getting just one).
But even today these $30m like the tweet guessed cost for Sony/MS seems a bit too high.
I can see $10m being used by MS this year.
That is a lot of money in expenses yet
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HeisenbergFX4
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It closer to that 30m like the tweet says.
joe_zazen
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big corps use pr firms who use social media subcontractors who flood facebook, reddit, forums, comment sections with whatever the message du jour is. Govts use it as well (google ‘us military social media manipulation’). You can also google ‘Microsoft uses dead people to lobby congress’.
So when a big marketing push is happening, shit posting warriors with 3 posts are almost guaranteed to either be idiot 13 year olds or paid marketeers. So any new posters posting shit warrior garbage are suspect. Make sense, yeah?
btw, they go through pr firms who use subcontractors to firewall wall themselves against accusations.
ethomaz
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I don't believe the reason of Sony not being at E3 is cost... companies of that size are already used to use that amount of money in big events.This is what I was refering to so who knows.
There is probably something more behind the scenes.
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joe_zazen
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also, remember Matt hasnt working in game dev for like 3 years. so while honest and connecte, no first hand knowledge anymore. Also, he isnt much into games as posting in political topics, lol.
HeisenbergFX4
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ThaMonkeyClaw
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It was 2013... it is probably around $50k or more today.
Sony and MS get booth 10x or more bigger than these small ones and they pay for that... of course there is discount too (if you get 2 55m2 space you pay less for each one than getting just one).
But even today these $30m like the tweet guessed cost for Sony/MS seems a bit too high.
I can see $10m being used by MS this year.
That is a lot of money in expenses yet
I could easily see it going to those costs looking at the insane build outs they do for their floor space, I totally agree with them not going again...I know I will miss it like many people do (it was always fun to watch or read the live blogs of all the different companies), but the return on investment just isn't there anymore...
Yeah if I had to guess they saw how well nintendos directs were recieved and decided to go that route. I mean who knows they might do something in the area around the same time and call it playstation jungle fort. Lol
Disco_
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If your bluetooth headphones support aptx ll(doubt ATs do), you can buy a $25 BT transceiver and have wireless audio/mic on ps4. Aptx would give wireless audio only.
ethomaz
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To be fiar it is not like doing a big PS5 reveal renting theaters across US to show to public will be anything less expensive than E3.
BTW I just remembered these theaters they rented to show the E3... it should cost a lot so I can see they reaching close to these $30m now.
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