Tommy Fisher
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Cause they don't want to leak that?
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What are your thoughts about the verona sdk ps5 devkit rumours that just got revealed?
Gediminas
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but you are leaking? no? so how?
you mentioned all info before, piece by piece. so tell us what we didn't knew already?
McHuj
Member
The way I see it is that PS5 is a lot more important to Sony than Xbox is to Microsoft so Sony might go all out because they need it more.
TLZ
Banned
Give us reveal date, comrade.
vivftp
Member
Interesting.
Welp, if Housemarque and Remedy are acquired I suppose that would give FoxyGameUK some bragging rights since he was one of the first to mention a recent acquisition and that there were multiple studios acquired.
Wait and see I suppose
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
I'm actually starting to get a little upset. This shit is ridiculous.
I'm a grown man and I'm getting upset over not knowing more about my next videogame console.
Disco_
Member
Do people really believe that? Do we really think consoles will have RT capability anywhere near even an rtx2060?
If they skipped RT entirely and waited til mid gen refresh or next gen, I'd be fine with it.
01011001
Banned
that gamble could literally kill them tho. if this is true they will absolutely have the more expensive console.
and can Sony risk being more expensive?
Microsoft might even give them a double whammy and not only have a cheaper to manufacture system but also take a hit selling it, undercutting the PS5 by such a large margin that they would be dead in the water.
meanwhile I doubt Sony would sell the PS5 at a loss
Bogroll
Likes moldy games
Some of the old designs are still the best, has anyone noticed the XSX is designed like a chimney stack, vents at the bottom and that flue running up to vent on the top. Creates a natural draw to get rid of unwanted air and fumes.
ethomaz
Banned
I can believe in that truth.
I’m biased.
bitbydeath
Member
Sony are a multi-billion dollar company, they can certainly afford it.
Gamernyc78
Banned
I've been saying this for awhile I bet his info is correct. He just seems so sure of it but we'll see.
ethomaz
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McHuj
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I can see it go either way. I think it really depends on how quickly the costs can come down. Cost aren't static. Do they need to sell 5 or 50 million consoles before costs drop? If the loses are limited to the first release year, I can see them selling at a loss. That first year of sales will probably be only ~8-10% of the life time sales.
Be surprising if MS with all their resources comes in less powerful in the TF game. Might as well sign the game over papers for their console. They will always rock PC etc but if the xbox doesnt bring the ooomph like my one X , then I wont get it. And I've always had a xbox and PS console together. Would build a nice 20TF+ gaming PC when the behemoth cards come out late 2020/2021
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ethomaz
Banned
But they are already moving from consoles...
xool
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Given the size of the Series X APU he could have meant double the electrical power ..
..and I'm not even joking that much ;|
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TLZ
Banned
At least you're honest.
Ellery
Member
People need to stop thinking in RDNA and GCN TFLOPS. (I had hopes that it would have died down by now, because it was rampant after Navi was released)
There are only TFLOPs. There is a way to calculate TFLOPs and that doesn't change with different architectures. Yes I am well aware that a 10TF RDNA card is faster in games than a 10TF GCN card, but that doesn't mean XX RDNA TF is like YY GCN TF.
It was clear for a very long time now that both next gen consoles are using Navi, well before Navi was released and calculating in GCN TFLOPs is doing nobody a favor right now.
Neither Microsoft nor Sony is going to use GCN TFLOPs in any of their advertisment or specification announcements.
Talking about GCN TFLOPs is mostly used because people who predict extremely high TFLOPs for next gen consoles can fool themselves into believing they were right when they still think it is going to be something absurd like 14TF.
Sorry if this sounds a bit annoying and like I have a stick up my b***, but all predictions and guesses are counted in RDNA TFLOPs.
Unless the xsx does amazing, they will move right back in haha. Regardless, I hope xsx delivers more power because I do enjoy the xbox one x ecosystem over my ps4pro
Why is that? You can see how much completely unverified shit gets upvoted here. Last time Tommy boy posted specs he got a bit to carried away and posted L1 data that can only work with GCN cards, and not with Navis.
I see he learned to be a bit more vague so posting "XSX>PS5 in dev kit noise department" is a new bullet point.
In any case.
AMDs official internal testing data that gets purged of internet > bad
Vague insiders with completely unrealistic specs > good
Kazekage1981
Member
If that is true, will Microsoft have sufficient time or the ability to increase the specs of Xlauncher to:
a) be at 5% differnce
b) be neck to neck with PS5
c) be somewhat to significantly better than PS5?
demigod
Member
True... just up the clocks
bitbydeath
Member
Tommy isn’t the only one stating this. Most insiders are consistent with this same information albeit less detail.
Tommy Fisher
Banned
It's not that simple buddy.
Rossco EZ
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
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The fact that they used vague multipliers to begin with are a pretty big giveaway. 12TFs is actually FAAAAR beyond everyone's most realistic expectations, so there's no reason not to sing it from the rooftops if it was true.
MS just as easily can be not correcting folks, because they aren't ready to talk specific detailed hardware specs yet; which was obvious by them using ambiguous multipliers in the first place.
All insiders afaik, are referencing internal MS sources. So the easy explanation is that these insiders have been told the same 2x XB1X and 8x XB1S multipliers that MS themselves told us; and the insiders have "done the math" and in doing so assumed raw TFLOPs.
AFIAK, no developer or leaker referencing a developer source has come out yet to leak the exact 12 TFs firgure for XSX. And I wouldn't necessarily blame them, since even devs may be wondering over MS's multiplier PR statements about the potential for a suprise clockspeed increase to 12TF prior to final reveal (it happened last gen transition).
Niked
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Hum aquired the ip of Alan Wake in july 2019...and before that publishing mobile game and release control on ps4. They have certainly taking steps away from Microsoft.. But enough to be bought?..
Remedy Entertainment - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
vivftp
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Remedy and Sony have certainly become closer with visits to one anothers studios and a fair amount of social media interaction. Insiders on Era did indicate Sony was exploring options for acquisition mid to late last year, but it's anyones guess on what happened there.
IIRC we also had a person at Remedy like a twitter post by Foxy (or was it Tidux?) when they posted about a new Sony acquisition. So I guess there's some smoke there. Only time will tell if there's fire.
Hey man,
Can you tell us what you mean by soon? Is it February? Middle or End of it?
THX!
Gamernyc78
Banned
He went to mods, showed them material buttttt didn't want to give up source. Mod of War told us as much and stated he didn't get banned bcus it was neither proven he was or wasn't an insider.
My take he has sources, info looked legit but he didn't want to give up sources or show more. I kinda believe Tommy.
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Insane Metal
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XSX: 16GB GDDR6
PS5: 18GB GDDR6 + 4GB DDR4
SSD: 2.3GB/S x 5GB/s
These are genuinely my guesses. Also according to our own Osiris, PS5 devkit is insanely loud and PS5's RT solution is indeed better than XSX's.
chemical boy
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If this is confirmed it will be brutal and at the same time terrible for MS. It will be fun. And you will have earned the respect of many people. Thanks for the info.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
I don't know what's sadder; that you were warned to provide verification multiple times and failed to do so (and warned to stop presenting yourself as an insider), or that you've duped a nice pocket of people to buy into your character.
bitbydeath
Member
I was trying to work out how to read that line given it reads like XSX is louder than PS5, but I’m guessing he intended it as the opposite.
So PS5 noise is louder than XSX which would fall in line with Osiris.
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Kampfradler
Member
and it will be expensive
it sounds more like a 600 or 700 dollar console
for me its not true until proven otherwise
Bryank75
Banned
I wonder if Sony having a movie subsidiary helped in any way with developing the ray tracing solution!?
Ellery
Member
Sony came on stage and said they are not going to repeat the PS3 mistakes.
The PS3 mistakes were a 600$ console.
01011001
Banned
Remedy Entertainment - Wikipedia
oh damn, they went public in 2017? didn't know that.
so ok then, that makes absolutely zero sense then right?
how secret can you be about taking over a publicly traded company?
like that's the nail in tje coffin for this guy's "leaks" then... fucking honestly, ban him from the thread at this point if he does say another word without getting verification.
I also saw that he had another oopsie with tech data that made zero sense apparently
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Rossco EZ
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is there anyway that a member of staff could re enter discussion with tommy about his info? maybe he has something new now that can pass him as verified without fully disclosing his source etc.. (not sure on the exact process) if not that’s fine. it’s a good indication that something he showed or discussed must hold some credence as he wasn’t banned first time he started posting.
Disco_
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A big box with plenty of room where you don't have to design each piece to fit like tetris pieces is probably cheaper than a smaller box where things are tailored to fit perfectly together. If the dev kit leak is any indication, that's all it could be. Head over to b3d where people are showing concern over the rear intake and possible air flow issues. "tower design"=/=automatically better.
Keep in mind those guys aren't idiots like most of us here. They actually know what they're talking about.
On such a small scale, 12" height, stack effect isn't a thing.
CuriousToe
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I'll give you one thing. Your confidence is inspiring.
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chemical boy
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The good thing is that sooner or later we will leave doubts.
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