DeepEnigma
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Acer made one of these for PC, 10K USD price tag... limited movement though
All that gear, and you're playing a racer with a damned controller.
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All that gear, and you're playing a racer with a damned controller.
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Neo Blaster
Member
Good sir, you've made my day.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Haha never noticed that, what a cock up. And you would at least slap an ultra wide on it if you have that much money
ANIMAL1975
Member
We don't know yet, it's one of his riddles. My guess is that is something BC related too, or even bigger. And that it has to do with what Ryan said, about the great features yet to reveal (something like that).
SolidJaum
Neo Member
Oh thanks. Should probably be about BC.
juaco1993
Neo Member
No, I'm not a native English speaker (Barcelona). It is the native Google Translator syntax
Bg! Te lo escribo en español por si acaso. En el otro sitio (ERA) piensan que lo que dijiste sobre el evento en el Sony Hall mañana se trata de un ensayo o anuncio de que Sony adquiere la empresa de juegos Remedy. Estoy casi seguro que quisiste traducir una frase en español y quisiste decir irónicamente medicación para la ansiedad jaja.
For all the english speakers: I believe on the other site BG wrote a joke about a private event in Sony's Hall tomorrow, basically impliying that they (Sony) would be gifting anxiety medication. Medication it's spelled remedio in spanish, that's where the confusion could have come lol.
If you need help translating something I'm here!
Cheers!
Edit: this is the quote from the other site for those wondering;
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Gamernyc78
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chemical boy
Member
That's what I thought, but people are interpreting it as Sony buying Remedy.
NathanDiego
Member
Yeah,but why Remedies instead of remedies?
ANIMAL1975
Member
Gracias muchacho!
Hawking Radiation
Member
Remedies, Soon, Wink Wink, Nudge Nudge. Can this shit just stop please?!!
chemical boy
Member
You are right, there is the key, it is not a mistake, using the capital letter is clear that it refers to the company Remedy.
ethomaz
Banned
I will never buy something so bad like that
Cool design concept.
Felessan
Member
I put it under the same scrutiny - i.e. I don't believe them at a face value and take it with a large grain of salt.
But all my long experience with numbers and data analysis tells me one thing - the person who saw a general picture, even a part of it, is much more reliable that person who doesn't, who only see some data points, tried to connect the dots and made some guestimate how the larger picture looks like.
Guesses are ok, but they are still guesses, and even if they are based on hard data - they still vastly inferior to educated guesses.
You asked why people ignore hard data. I put a whole lot of reasons why relying on data without context may lead you astray. Overreliance on data points and thinking that someone, even collectively, can restore general picture is a common mistake. Sometimes it work, but more often it's not. So people just choose go on and talk about something else.
All your arguments filled with "seems", "likely" etc - it's all pointers to subjective positions, and subjective position is, you know, yours (and likely-minded) only. Other people fee free to ignore your "seems" and "likely" and go other ways. And your dissatisfaction of ignorance is basically is a cry in the desert "why everyone doesn't want to have my biases".
Educated guess (and insiders also do an educated guess, because no one 100% know the future) is a conjuction of data and a proper way to interpret it.
The difference between us looking at data leak and insiders - they know a proper way to interpret data, because they have framework of devkit, spec sheet etc, and we are not, we have some points of data and we are inventing a way to interpret them - what they might mean, what they define, what might be environment around this data etc. Even if anyone thinks that they are super-smart and can connect all the dots, in reality it's not a good story to have a solid educated guess.
And in regards to "we successfully cracked the code before" - it's survival bias. There are dozen of theories how ps5/XSeX will turn out. Those cover most of possibilities, and one of them most probably turns out to be true. Most are interpreting data in their own way. In several year there will be the same referencies that "we cracked the code and guessed correctly" in relation of theory that became reality. But actually it was not a proper crack, it was just pure luck of those who win, same as winning in lottery (some claims there is a system there).
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kingkenny76
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Tommy Fisher
Banned
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
I know it’s a video game forum but you boys love being played
ethomaz
Banned
It is about Remedy becoming Sony first-party announce.
It is already a strong rumor at that point and probably the deal already happened.
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ANIMAL1975
Member
It's pretty funny to watch though lol. Most gullible bunch of people I've ever seen haha.I know it’s a video game forum but you boys love being played
ethomaz
Banned
Don’t do that to believersThis was on the github _ the guy who 'made' it put Arden in the Oberon tests!? This proves that wasn't directly datamined from AMD tests doesn't it? So the information revealed could be very well knit picked.
Hawking Radiation
Member
IMO nothing wrong with tower design. In fact i welcome it for a few reasons. Design wise they would stand out from normal console design which has been flat square box for the last few decades.
Towers also have thermal efficiency potential due to their design (intake at the bottom, exhaust on top). They take up less space on an entertainment unit.
Reindeer
Member
Can you give the date when he said that coz that's been circulating all over internet for a long time now.O que outras pessoas estão dizendo
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Truth be told!
Tommy was the first to drop Sony's purchase of Remedy.
Hawking Radiation
Member
That's why i only wait for either of Zhuge, Jason Schrier or Shinobi to tweet or post something. They are credible insiders who have good history when it comes to leaks and hints.I know it’s a video game forum but you boys love being played
These other clowns like Tommy Fisher and the like can kindly fuck off out of the thread. We don't need psuedo insiders to stink up the thread with bullshit on a daily basis.
DJ12
Member
You tease lol
Hawking Radiation
Member
Wait for a tweet or post from Shinobi, Jason Schrier or Zhuge on anything next gen. Once they start talking, you know for sure something is happening.
Niked
Member
We stand hard and ready... to be disapointed..
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demigod
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Not really, what matters is how it goes out. Most PC towers push the fan out from the back anyways. Also you can see in the leaked xsx that there are holes in the back of the console.
HawarMiran
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demigod
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HawarMiran
Banned
Niked
Member
There are so much smoke.. the fire must come from the up coming New York meeting?! Can.. It... be.. true..
Hype.. Hype... Hype...
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chemical boy
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If tomorrow the purchase of Remedy is confirmed whether you like it or not Tommy will have succeeded.
HawarMiran
Banned
Or maybe he is just quoting max payne. Wasn't there a line like that in the game?
Niked
Member
If you throw enough shit on the wall...something will eventually stick..?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
ethomaz
Banned
He made the tease here:
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
i dont think the cpu for the ps5 or the xbox is off the shelf there are a lot more customisations involved. The same cpu cores with different i/o and maybe less L3. Maybe sony will go with fast HBM and low l3 like 8MB
And confirmed the purchase here:
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
I honestly believe it is 12 in Navi but damn that Phil Spencer and his do the math its 2x more powerful statement bugs the crap out of me. Unless he honestly thinks its hard for us to realize 12 actually is 2 X 6. Until proven otherwise, I'm just viewing his "do the math" statements as just...
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Sam Lake is in New York, and he’s posting Max Payne style stuff, because he’s Sam Lake, and he’s in New York.
Though I will admit, the “exit” thing is a fun one to play with, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he knows the whole world is watching them right now and he’s playing
Still, very interesting!
edit: oh he’s been posting random New York pics for two days? Well, that tells me everything I needed to know! Which is nothing.
Though I will admit, the “exit” thing is a fun one to play with, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he knows the whole world is watching them right now and he’s playing
Still, very interesting!
edit: oh he’s been posting random New York pics for two days? Well, that tells me everything I needed to know! Which is nothing.
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Psyrgery ES
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Ellery
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Yeah this is the infinite monkey theorem ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem ).
I could make a pastebin guessing between 6 and 15 TF every day in 0.1 steps and eventually one is right. Then I share that specific one that was right on twitter/gaming forums and it shows that I made that before Sony actually revealed it and bam magic.
I could make a pastebin guessing between 6 and 15 TF every day in 0.1 steps and eventually one is right. Then I share that specific one that was right on twitter/gaming forums and it shows that I made that before Sony actually revealed it and bam magic.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Remedy being an acquisition has been going around for ages. Here’s one from July last year and I know it goes back further.
www.google.co.uk
you may as well be congratulating these people on leaking there’s a new console coming after the ps5.
Sony is rumoured to be preparing a bid to buy Remedy, making Alan Wake 2 or a Control sequel potential PlayStation exclusives
Could Sony acquire Remedy? This source seems to think so…
you may as well be congratulating these people on leaking there’s a new console coming after the ps5.
chemical boy
Member
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Lol, what do you think we're doing here, shooting in the dark?!? I can't necessarily speak for others who've come to similar conclusions, but my own personal interpretation of where the systems could likely stand is based on just that: looking at the general picture, looking at what benchmarks have been consistently telling us for pretty much a whole year, AND what the more credible insiders have been saying.
All of your attempts at shutting me down are inferring I'm buying hard into a 9.2TF PS5 reality; NO, I've just said that such is what the benchmarks have been pointing towards. Just because I am critical of insider rumors doesn't mean I haven't been critical of the benchmark results.
Hell, I immediately wondered why ray-tracing was not in the initial Github leak until it was clarified by other posters that RT wouldn't need to be enabled for regression tests. So when other people were trying to run the narrative PS5 wouldn't even have hardware-based RT (based on poorly interpreting the Github info), I never once bought into that. I knew and still know PS5 will have hardware-based RT.
You think I'm just running with weighing the benchmarks in isolation, when I've already mentioned, again, that with more credible insiders saying the systems could be closer to each other, I have considered possibilities for that with the benchmarks based on what they've implying. Dual GPUs (illogical: dual super low-clocked Oberons. more logical: Oberon ~ 1.7GHz + Gonzalo ~ 1GHz. Would give 12+ TF number certain insiders are claiming), additional disabled CUs on Oberon (the graphic I quoted another user posting earlier; would give around 10-10.8 TF, compares favorably to 12/12.x TF especially if priced at $399), etc. If either one of us is choosing to be overly picky and selective here, it's you.
What makes you think the insiders have educated guesses? That they claim to be insiders, is that it? Look, I don't claim to be an insider, but I also know from what a couple particular "insiders" have posted, that they don't understand how this tech actually works. Because when they've tried placing somewhat specific tech specs, they end up all the place.
By no means am I saying I'm an expert on this, but I've researched and have been open to being enlightened on this stuff by others enough to feel I'm doing a lot more than simply firing at random and hoping something sticks. Just because I don't list myself as an insider doesn't mean I'm going to undervalue my own opinion compared to an insider's. And it's not like I have been dismissing all insiders, either. I put stock into a good bit of the stuff Heisenberg, Osiris, and Klee have been suggesting in particular. Even there though I'm going to be critical on certain claims and have every right to question them about it, just as you are questioning me on where I stand on the issue, right now.
I'd like to think my guesses have been pretty fair and non-biased; even if I see one system edging the other out, I'm trying to be optimistic about both. But something tells me, if my conclusions were favoring PS5 in terms of this whole TF stuff and not XSX (based on what I've been analyzing from the benchmarks, what some of the insiders have suggested, what certain rumors last year were putting about, what certain circumstantial events have transpired the past year or so have suggested, what certain lack of info/data uncovered or seen so far implies, what patterns of ALL of that have in common with similar things in previous console gens in terms of leaks and rumors, actual RESULTS of systems in those gens in how they lined up with leaked data, etc.), we wouldn't even be having this discussion. That tells me a lot right there.
That is your reasoning, and I respect it. However I can also tell you some people are ignoring the benchmarks because they are painting a picture they don't want to see. And why would it be so wild to say this? It has happened in almost every other console generation; you have people who put stock into consistent data, and you have the blind faithers who want to snuggle up to what some person they put as an authority figure is saying.
More often than not the actual truth lies somewhere in the middle, but it generally tends to lean towards the former, not the latter, on most aspects. And that's how it'll play out yet again because there's already precedent of that happening for years.
That's right, because I don't know 100% everything these systems will have. Neither do you, and neither does anyone else, including the insiders. So in reality myself, you, and the insiders, we are ALL stating subjective positions, why single out mine?
People are free to dismiss my speculations however they want, but I'm not trying to win a popularity contest here. I just want to share my opinions and perspectives based on what I've absorbed and have had time to reflect on and think about, analyze, and compare with what other people are saying. And by being relatively neutral, it's led me to the current stance I have. Nothing more or less than that.
I find it perplexing you are are dismissing the dataminers as insiders, but then describe the insiders with things that would better fit the dataminers? There's room for both of them, but even I've said that while a lot of the insiders could be credible and legit, their sources could be compromised. It happens all the time in other industries, fields etc., and there's nothing innately special about video games to be excused of that possibility. And the possible compromising of their sources could be down to a lot of factors; thing is it only takes one of those factors being true to make the whole source compromised.
If in case that does happen, I hope people have enough respect to not go after the insiders; they're just the messengers in all of this, feeding us what they've heard from others. Likewise if final specs don't 100% line up with what dataminers are finding, don't attack them, either; they're just scouring through databases and pulling stuff up, maybe interpret it themselves from there or leaving it to others to interpret.
Regardless, I'm not gonna let designated titles make me look at another person's interpretation of the leaks and rumors unless that person is a straight-up fanboy and going well outside the net of what's possible. And I'm also not going to let designated titles convince me to belittle my own opinion by comparison, especially knowing that I've been nothing but fair to both systems in this and have looked into a lot of aspects of this, and even considered possibilities on both sides (aligning with the hard data AND seeing what ways that hard data can fit into complying with certain things insiders have been claiming).
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