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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Smoke6

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It looks like an upscaled PS4 game. If this and Godfall are the games that are advertised with the PS5, then I'm worried. Look at Hellblade 2 and Project: MARA from the Xbox Series X and compare that to the PS5 games revealed:



Outriders is cross gen, hell blade certainly is not and nice try on that!

Now we wanna push the narratives to games not looking a certain way to justify not buying a particular system when we know for a fact that there will PS exclusives from the beginning and a 2 year wait from MS!

So with this logic, we can assume Xbox will not sell to well due to cross gen games not taking advantage of the hardware that was just released or about to correct?
 

hemo memo

You can't die before your death
A new PS5 + PS4 game trailer:



“Gameplay reveal trailer | PS5”
“...reveal...| PS5

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ANIMAL1975

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tldr: media molecule not long for this world; sony game template isincreasingly true; psvr2 wont happen.

a few thoughts on MM:

An easy game creation game is a great idea for a product. But Dreams has three flaws. First, creating with just a controller is a terrible idea. It is as dumb as having PSVR controllers with no analog sticks. And as with PSVR, the control scheme will be its achilles heel. Second, having it on PSN means sony becomes responsible for the content, which means a lot of the cool stuff will be deleted. Finally, Sony is cheap as fuck. MM has 50 staff, including support..so probably only 30 actual developers at most. This is why the game has taken for ever and will never be feature complete, things like psvr support and allowing creation on PC.

I still bought it because I like games that aren‘t all about killing and critic baiting stories. But I fully expect it to go the way of project Spark.

MM, Sony, and Nintendo type games:

I really wish Sony valued gameplay first games with broad family appeal enough to have a ‘Nintendo’ division.

They have a few properties like Ratchet, Sly, and the glorious Astrobot; but not enough to cultivate an audience for that style of game. So when they do release a Nintendo game, very few PS owners even look at it. And Nintendo zealots, many of whom work in games media, have an uncontrollable need to savage the product to product their first love.

But yeah, I mean ps all stars (smash-like game) had this line up:
psallstars_111612_1600.jpg


As far as broad appeal, family friendly IP goes...woof.

Sony Strategy and MM Place in It:

Sony’s strategy with PlayStation over the last generation has been to relentlessly focus on most profitable areas to the detriment of variety and experimentation. . Or as Sony PR put it when they closed Manchester “focus on operational effectiveness and efficiency”—which in non-jargon means making the most profitable types of games with the least investment possible.

Molecule is from another time when Sony put money into more experimental things because they saw game diversity as important. 2020 Sony would never buy a Media Molecule studio to make console games. Today, sony investment goes to exploitative mobile properties like Fate/Order (highest grossing mobile game of 2019 believe it or not)—they bought AniPlex in order to have access to IPs for that purpose. And they heavily invest in big selling AAA 3rd person action adventure games with large story components.

3310889-9011469355-33009.jpg


PSVR has been a bright spot in the drive towards AAA arpg cinematic story game homogenisation. But the closing of Manchester tells me Sony is done. PSVR2, as with a Vita2, requires too investment for too little return. This is just a guess based on my own psvr experience, which involved shit non-analog stick move controllers ruining games and unhooking it and putting it in a corner. Also based on the fact Sony has to compete with the massive investment Facebook is pouring into VR, 500 millions USD into game development alone. If Sony cant compete with tiny Nintendo in handheld, yeah Facebook backed VR....

anyway, if you made it this far cheers.
That's your point of view and it's fair to doubt. But to me, the single fact that MM was given those 9 years of development, without any profit in return, to create such a singular game experience like Dreams (and don't forget The Last Guardian also!) it's the proof that they are not going to abandon those niche or experimental games that have made their library so diverse through the years. And PSVR2 the same, are you forgetting or didn't saw BGs BGs post on it?

The new consoles will not disappoint. Not me, at least.

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I'm sorry, I don't have more time for now.

Cheers.
 

LED Guy?

Banned
I doubt it. MS has already changed their strategy with Xbox X, and all informations in regards to XSX also suggest MS wants to lead in performance once again.

On the other hand sony wants to transition its PS4 customers to PS5 as fast as possible. To me it suggest cheaper (400$) and weaker (8-9TF) product compared to XSX (500-600$ 12TF).
“As fast as possible”.....as in, using their PSN and users’ digital games and cloud stuff, the transition will be much smoother, that’s what they meant, they didn’t mean that it will be a cheap console like PS4 at $400.

And it seems like you turn the blind eye and ignore when Sony said that the PlayStation 5 is for “hardcore gamers who obsess over the latest graphical and technology features” and that it is going to be made primarily for the “highest-end graphics” as Sony told Wall Street Journal in June of 2019, not to mention the specs that they have announced so far are very next-gen looking, but you will spin everything to fit your agenda of course and say that Sony is focusing for the $400 when NONE of what they said points to that.

Here is the Wall Street Journal news:

 
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Neo Blaster

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You always have to go cheap. Look what happened to Sony with the PS3. They had 160 million PS2 owners and droped to 85 million PS3 owners. This gen Microsoft was more expensive and droped from 85 to 45. Why someone should buy a Xbox? Because many people prefer consoles over Pcs and the Game Pass is really customer friendy with outstanding price-performance which is very important since many gamers are young and don't have 60 bucks for every game.
Ok, but I'm talking about migrating to SX. I agree 100% with you about Gamepass, but people can have it TODAY in their Xbox ONE and will play all new releases just where they are. And if Xcloud is good enough for the average customer, they don't even have to get hardware to play at all. I wouldn't be surprised if this partnership with Samsung led Gamepass to their TVs alongside their phones.
 

pawel86ck

Banned
“As fast as possible”.....as in, using their PSN and users’ digital games and cloud stuff, the transition will be much smoother, that’s what they meant, they didn’t mean that it will be a cheap console like PS4 at $400.

And it seems like you turn the blind eye and ignore when Sony said that the PlayStation 5 is for “hardcore gamers who obsess over the latest graphical and technology features” and that it is going to be made primarily for the “highest-end graphics” as Sony told Wall Street Journal in June of 2019, not to mention the specs that they have announced so far are very next-gen looking, but you will spin everything to fit your agenda of course and say that Sony is focusing for the $400 when NONE of what they said points to that as what happen.

Here is the Wall Street Journal news:

Yes I will twist everything to my agenda... but can you remind me what is my agenda? 😂
 

JonTheGod

Neo Member
"Leaks" talks about BC.
I'm really don't care about BC.
Sony could focus in more next-gen features instead.

When BC is talked like a next-gen feature something is wrong with the industry.
I couldn't disagree with you more.

I've been enjoying a plethora of PS3 games recently. Good games are good games, regardless of age or platform. I have a huge PS3 backlog that I still foolishly still expect to make time for.

Personally, I hope for full native BC with PS1-3 and a slew of games being released digitally (when re-licenced). If they want to add trophies and enhancements for the re-licenced games so much the better.
 

ethomaz

Banned
I couldn't disagree with you more.

I've been enjoying a plethora of PS3 games recently. Good games are good games, regardless of age or platform. I have a huge PS3 backlog that I still foolishly still expect to make time for.

Personally, I hope for full native BC with PS1-3 and a slew of games being released digitally (when re-licenced). If they want to add trophies and enhancements for the re-licenced games so much the better.
I never said the opposite... good games are good games.
You can play these games on PS3.
Companies already have a tiny budget to use in these systems and so keep using part of it in BC... that is really a think I don't want on next-gen hardware.

BC costs money... money that should be used in better places... for exemple new games for PS5.
 
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ANIMAL1975

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Your argument is very good, so I guess people can still dream about monster PS5 (HBM, 14TF dual GPU), because everything is still possible😂👍.
I don't think it's going to be a monster, im beting on the implementation of a 3D stacked chips layout to maintain the standard console form factor.
 

pasterpl

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Ok, but I'm talking about migrating to SX. I agree 100% with you about Gamepass, but people can have it TODAY in their Xbox ONE and will play all new releases just where they are. And if Xcloud is good enough for the average customer, they don't even have to get hardware to play at all. I wouldn't be surprised if this partnership with Samsung led Gamepass to their TVs alongside their phones.

I think that this is the next logical step for this partnership, beneficial for both parties; buy Samsung Smart TV + Xbox controller + Gamepass Subscription and you are sorted (you can play, probably with acceptable quality and lag at 1080p over WiFi and 4k over the wired connection) no console purchase necessary and MS can drive GamePass numbers up.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sony also offers PSNow app on Smart TVs
 

Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
Has there been anything, at all, even rumour, said about the next version of the Vr headset?

I know it was said the current model will work on the new console, but the resolution could be better per eye, and there are a lot of other improvements that could be made.

I still find it baffling Ms refuse to make their own VR head set. I would have thought it would be right up their street.
 

Gamernyc78

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"Leaks" talks about BC.
I'm really don't care about BC.
Sony could focus in more next-gen features instead.

When BC is talked like a next-gen feature something is wrong with the industry.

If it's bc and they are going to do something innovative beyond what Xbox x does in terms of adding effects and resolution then I'll care about bc. Omg if it had ps3 bc just for Demon Souls id love it if it upped the resolution and added things graphically.

But I really don't care about bc and it has never been a selling factor for me.
 

Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
ethomaz ethomaz csn I just ask, have you played any of the BC games, such as those on the One X?

because playing them in 4k is bloody awesome, and worth the entry price alone.

Don’t forget that some games already look damn fine, but people will have missed out on them. I myself have played hundreds of hours of X BC games that I missed back in the day.

In fact the only improvement I could think of is that games were five new achievements where there wasn’t any before.

But a games age a doesn’t dictate how good it plays, even more so when you missed it first time around ☺️
 

ethomaz

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If it's bc and they are going to do something innovative beyond what Xbox x does in terms of adding effects and resolution then I'll care about bc. Omg if it had ps3 bc just for Demon Souls id love it if it upped the resolution and added things graphically.

But I really don't care about bc and it has never been a selling factor for me.
Demon’s remake or 2 should be better use of that money.
 

ethomaz

Banned
ethomaz ethomaz csn I just ask, have you played any of the BC games, such as those on the One X?

because playing them in 4k is bloody awesome, and worth the entry price alone.

Don’t forget that some games already look damn fine, but people will have missed out on them. I myself have played hundreds of hours of X BC games that I missed back in the day.

In fact the only improvement I could think of is that games were five new achievements where there wasn’t any before.

But a games age a doesn’t dictate how good it plays, even more so when you missed it first time around ☺
I don’t play even remaster of games I already played.
I don’t play games I already played to be fair.
For me BC even have all enhancements is a wasted feature.

I prefer new games... if you want to play old games the money is better used in a remake.

I play remakes that are a new experience... remasters only if it is a game I missed (no played) in the past but most remasters are most famous games that I already played.

BC on Xbox already proved it is a nice feature... a nostalgia feature... most consumers doesn’t play BC.
 
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DrDamn

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"Leaks" talks about BC.
I'm really don't care about BC.
Sony could focus in more next-gen features instead.

When BC is talked like a next-gen feature something is wrong with the industry.

I didn't go Pro this generation, and I've got a healthy backlog of titles which I looking to leave until PS5 hits. BC will allow me to play them all at least at Pro levels, hopefully better. God of War, Jedi Fallen Order, Shadow of the Colossus, Death Stranding - going to hit next gen running with a pre-made backlog :messenger_grinning:
 
I have a 1TB Samsung 970 Pro (3.5GB/s read, 2.7GB/s write) along with a 2TB 2.5" SSD (512MB/s read/write?). The thing is snappy, and I would welcome a 5-7GB/s one. We must understand that those are MAX speeds, they can easily get buffer on overload situations. So having more power means less buffer lags.

I have the Samsung 950 Pro (2.5GB/s read, 1.2GB/s write) on my desktop that I bought back in 2016 and even that is still mindblowing to me, just waiting for prices to drop and might upgrade it to a slightly faster model with more storage, I would love to have a Gen4 NVMe, but I don't feel like rebuilding half my system to make it happen!
 

ANIMAL1975

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I never said the opposite... good games are good games.
You can play these games on PS3.
Companies already have a tiny budget to use in these systems and so keep using part of it in BC... that is really a think I don't want on next-gen hardware.

BC costs money... money that should be used in better places... for exemple new games for PS5.
But if this money spent on BC is going to be in fact, one of the 'fastest transition' selling points, then that's investment with guaranteed return, and will not interfere in any other areas.
Many people sell, or trade for, the older system to buy a new one (for many reasons) im one of them. Didn't do it with my ps3 for obvious reasons lol, but is dead on me for sometime and gathering dust, because if ps5 is full BC and don't want to spend more money on it (it's my 3rd ps3 lol).
 

DrDamn

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BC costs money... money that should be used in better places... for exemple new games for PS5.

MS X360 BC on X1 was probably pretty costly to do, because it's different hardware running at different speeds, but even that must have been profitable for them in terms of what it allowed for. Selling of X360 titles to X1 owners (though this is still inexplicably cumbersome), added value in GwG, added value in GamePass and EA Access. All of which they will be making money from.
 

Fake

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I don’t play even remaster of games I already played.
I don’t play games I already played to be fair.
For me BC even have all enhancements is a wasted feature.

I prefer new games... if you want to play old games the money is better used in a remake.

I play remakes that are a new experience... remasters only if it is a game I missed (no played) in the past but most remasters are most famous games that I already played.

BC on Xbox already proved it is a nice feature... a nostalgia feature... most consumers doesn’t play BC.

I guess vary between company. I already had this conversation. Some remakes are bad and remaster beat easiy, in the other hand some remasters are bad and remake beat as well.

I like both remake and remaster, but we can't generalize because the company is greed. Look at Far Cry 3 for example, I expecting a better remaster than that. Some remakes are pretty good too, but lets say... Medevil? This recent remake is a mix bag.


I accept BC with open hands, but not at the cost of sacrifice new games.
 
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ethomaz

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I didn't go Pro this generation, and I've got a healthy backlog of titles which I looking to leave until PS5 hits. BC will allow me to play them all at least at Pro levels, hopefully better. God of War, Jedi Fallen Order, Shadow of the Colossus, Death Stranding - going to hit next gen running with a pre-made backlog :messenger_grinning:
Well when I shift gens I basically give up on back log... I just move on to new releases.
I buy launch games and play them.

I’m against mid-gen upgrades too... they add nothing to the experience... are big wasted potential due the base model and in some cases makes devs do a worst base modelo version of the game than it should be if it was the only focus on development.

I know mid-gen refreshes and BC are important for forum users and I understand that but for most players like me it is not... it is a money wasted that could be used in better things like new IPs.
 

ethomaz

Banned
I guess vary between company. I already had this conversation. Some remakes are bad and remaster beat easiy, in the other hand some remasters are bad and remake beat as well.

I like both remake and remaster, but we can't generalize because the company is greed. Look at Far Cry 3 for example, I expecting a better remaster than that. Some remakes are pretty good too, but lets say... Medevil? This recent remake is a mix bag.


I accept BC with open hands, but not at the cost of sacrifice new games.
Yeap... I understand the need of reboot, remasters and remake but I still prefer that money in new games (sequels or IPs).

I have the same issue with the Hollywood industry lacking creativity with that new era of reboot, remaster, remake movies from the past... I saw these movies and I did not even care because I already watched the original and in most cases I find the new one inferior.

Remaster, reboot, remake, BC seems like a lazy option to not be creative to give us new and better experiences in gaming.

Like I said I understand the role of these options in the industry but I think we have too much Remaster, BC and remakes...
 
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tldr: media molecule not long for this world; sony game template isincreasingly true; psvr2 wont happen.

a few thoughts on MM:

An easy game creation game is a great idea for a product. But Dreams has three flaws. First, creating with just a controller is a terrible idea. It is as dumb as having PSVR controllers with no analog sticks. And as with PSVR, the control scheme will be its achilles heel. Second, having it on PSN means sony becomes responsible for the content, which means a lot of the cool stuff will be deleted. Finally, Sony is cheap as fuck. MM has 50 staff, including support..so probably only 30 actual developers at most. This is why the game has taken for ever and will never be feature complete, things like psvr support and allowing creation on PC.

I still bought it because I like games that aren‘t all about killing and critic baiting stories. But I fully expect it to go the way of project Spark.

MM, Sony, and Nintendo type games:

I really wish Sony valued gameplay first games with broad family appeal enough to have a ‘Nintendo’ division.

They have a few properties like Ratchet, Sly, and the glorious Astrobot; but not enough to cultivate an audience for that style of game. So when they do release a Nintendo game, very few PS owners even look at it. And Nintendo zealots, many of whom work in games media, have an uncontrollable need to savage the product to product their first love.

But yeah, I mean ps all stars (smash-like game) had this line up:
psallstars_111612_1600.jpg


As far as broad appeal, family friendly IP goes...woof.

Sony Strategy and MM Place in It:

Sony’s strategy with PlayStation over the last generation has been to relentlessly focus on most profitable areas to the detriment of variety and experimentation. . Or as Sony PR put it when they closed Manchester “focus on operational effectiveness and efficiency”—which in non-jargon means making the most profitable types of games with the least investment possible.

Molecule is from another time when Sony put money into more experimental things because they saw game diversity as important. 2020 Sony would never buy a Media Molecule studio to make console games. Today, sony investment goes to exploitative mobile properties like Fate/Order (highest grossing mobile game of 2019 believe it or not)—they bought AniPlex in order to have access to IPs for that purpose. And they heavily invest in big selling AAA 3rd person action adventure games with large story components.

3310889-9011469355-33009.jpg


PSVR has been a bright spot in the drive towards AAA arpg cinematic story game homogenisation. But the closing of Manchester tells me Sony is done. PSVR2, as with a Vita2, requires too investment for too little return. This is just a guess based on my own psvr experience, which involved shit non-analog stick move controllers ruining games and unhooking it and putting it in a corner. Also based on the fact Sony has to compete with the massive investment Facebook is pouring into VR, 500 millions USD into game development alone. If Sony cant compete with tiny Nintendo in handheld, yeah Facebook backed VR....

anyway, if you made it this far cheers.

Uh oh, you've opened the hornet's nest!

it's all true

I think PS3 era was Sony at their height as a balanced 1st-party developer. They had the big guns like Uncharted, GT and TLOU, but also had more modest content like Echochrome and Puppeteer.

We got like a brief AF glimpse of them continuing that in PS4's first year and that was it. Outside of R&C reboot, there hasn't been any of the more family-friendly affair. And no, Crash doesn't count because that's a 3rd-party offering.

Some people are going to jump to "But Nintendo already does that!". Yeah, but more than one company can offer that type of content. Nintendo's very good at it but they don't have to be the exclusive provider either, among 1st-party platform holders. Sony has the IP, and those games don't require TLOU2-sized budgets. So just put them out there to provide some variety in your software ecosystem.

I can tell you right now, if a Tomba 3 (or even Tomba 1 & 2 remake) and UmJammer Lammy 2 were announced for PS5, that'd seal the deal for me. Automatically onto my preorders list it'd go, along with those games. But we know neither of those are going to happen.

You don't need to go cheap to make your current install base migrate, you can do that by allowing them to bring their games/history to PS5 with native BC. That, and with PS5 exclusives. What is the incentive to migrate for SX if you can play everything in the same console they have today or even without it in the cloud?

Because versions of those games on older platforms will be severely scaled back in graphics and features, and streaming will not be viable for players who value performance (and therefore sensitive to latency) over convenience (and the streaming that brings such convenience).

Not to mention, some people simply prefer the console experience over using a PC or mobile device. And by the look of things, for the better 3rd-party experience in terms of performance. We don't even have a full picture on MS's deployment strategy for 1st-party content onto other platforms, particularly with streaming, so it's a bit foolish to assume everything will be exactly day-and-date between XSX and, say, iPone.

It would also be wise to keep watch of what transpires because it will massively influence Sony's choices in this regard once they finally take up a GaaS model openly.
 
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ethomaz

Banned
Tried to compare gap re last gen if 9.2 rumours are correct. if it turns out to be true PS will be in a situation XB was last gen

9.2TF PS5 vs 12.4TF XSX
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1.31 XBO vs 1.84 PS4
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One is 40% diff the other is 34% diff.

But PS5 is not 9.2TFs.
That number is based in 2Ghz frequency of GitHub that is impossible.
If GitHub is true PS5 is a ~8.5TFs machine.

But of course we don’t even know what these GitHub tests are... PS5 is probably something else.

Even that 12.4TFs for Xbox is just speculation.
 

TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
"Leaks" talks about BC.
I'm really don't care about BC.
Sony could focus in more next-gen features instead.

When BC is talked like a next-gen feature something is wrong with the industry.
It's the number one thing I wanna see and know about.
Yeah we are getting new shiny graphics with new games, that's a given.
But with BC it's more interesting because of the possibilities it brings.
Will I finally be able to a series run of MGS on one Console?
Will it play the best version of Silent Hill 2, and how will it look?
Will I finally get to replay Persona 3 Fes in HD.
and if PS3 BC is possible.
All those game that was sub-hd
Can they be played in anything above its original res with a decent framerate?
Will Valkyrie Profile 2 look like this
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Haunting Ground
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Gamernyc78

Banned
MS X360 BC on X1 was probably pretty costly to do, because it's different hardware running at different speeds, but even that must have been profitable for them in terms of what it allowed for. Selling of X360 titles to X1 owners (though this is still inexplicably cumbersome), added value in GwG, added value in GamePass and EA Access. All of which they will be making money from.

I doubt game pass is making them money so I wouldn't bank on tht. But of course we won't know unless we get certain numbers which thy refuse to give for obvious reasons. Those subscription style offerings havent been profitable for most companies pushing them definitely not in the first five years or so. Movie pass was a sink hole and they are losing money and going under. Netflix just started being profitable but thy run through tons of money, etc...

BC I don't think is worthwhile in a monetary sense however in a mind share sense I think you cant quantify that. It's all about options.
 

ethomaz

Banned
But if this money spent on BC is going to be in fact, one of the 'fastest transition' selling points, then that's investment with guaranteed return, and will not interfere in any other areas.
Many people sell, or trade for, the older system to buy a new one (for many reasons) im one of them. Didn't do it with my ps3 for obvious reasons lol, but is dead on me for sometime and gathering dust, because if ps5 is full BC and don't want to spend more money on it (it's my 3rd ps3 lol).
You know Sony can’t produce enough consoles for a fast transition even without BC.

IMO like I said the money can be used for better or more launch or first year games.
 
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reezoo

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One is 40% diff the other is 34% diff.

But PS5 is not 9.2TFs.
That number is based in 2Ghz frequency of GitHub that is impossible.
If GitHub is true PS5 is a ~8.5TFs machine.

But of course we don’t even know what these GitHub tests are... PS5 is probably something else.

Even that 12.4TFs for Xbox is just speculation.

40% / 34% gains are if you compare them directly, comparing gains in 16:9 ratio rectangles is 18% vs 16%
 
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ethomaz

Banned
40% / 34% gains are if you compare them directly, comparing gains in 16:9 ratio rectangles is 18% vs 16%
It is the same no matter the aspect ratio... in fact it is not related with aspect ratio lol

It is math and even in area terms the difference is the same no matter the aspect ratio of the area.
 
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pawel86ck

Banned
So you do not know what you’re doing? That’s weird 😂😂😂
You really want to hear it? Surpise surprise... I simply have no agenda 😃.

For the last couple of months I was hyped because leaks and insiders were talking about insane PS5 power (13TF) and 5, 12, 14 February reveal. February reveal is not happening so obviously these insiders were lying, and I started to look at things with more realistic expectations (that's my only agenda from now on).
 
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DrDamn

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40% / 34% gains are if you compare them directly, comparing gains in 16:9 ratio rectangles is 18% vs 16%

If you can clarify, or even decide maybe, how you are trying to misrepresent this data I can help you out. I can recommend a tilted 3D exploding pie-chart with pieces represented by percentages which don't all add to 100.
 
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Sussoloc

Member
Ok, but I'm talking about migrating to SX. I agree 100% with you about Gamepass, but people can have it TODAY in their Xbox ONE and will play all new releases just where they are. And if Xcloud is good enough for the average customer, they don't even have to get hardware to play at all. I wouldn't be surprised if this partnership with Samsung led Gamepass to their TVs alongside their phones.
People will buy it the same reason they bought PS4 and One even both had shitty starting titles. They want something new and better grapics. Let's be honest, the first good mainstream PS4 exclusive was Uncharted 4 in may 2016, but people bought the console like crazy anyways.
 

ethomaz

Banned
Sony already pulled out of MWC, so it's not too far fetched to speculate that the reveal event has also been delayed due to the hysteria surrounding a virus less lethal than a common flu, but ymmv.
I thought over 1k victims died already and everybody else is having some mental issues.
 

reezoo

Member
If you can clarify, or even decide maybe, how you are trying to misrepresent this data I can help you out. I can recommend a tilted 3D exploding pie-chart with pieces represented by percentages which don't all add to 100.
Idea is to distribute power evenly over pixels and then do the comparison. How is it misrepresenting?
 

Niked

Member
I get so fucking tired of everyone going by the github leak. If anyone thinks Playstation wont put up a fight for the performance crown.. You are wrong. See below, a commercial about the power of playstation posted 9 month ago. So stop! 🛑

There is no 9tf PS5. Its either 11, 12 or 13tf
 
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