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[Bo_Hazem]

But if this money spent on BC is going to be in fact, one of the 'fastest transition' selling points, then that's investment with guaranteed return, and will not interfere in any other areas.
Many people sell, or trade for, the older system to buy a new one (for many reasons) im one of them. Didn't do it with my ps3 for obvious reasons lol, but is dead on me for sometime and gathering dust, because if ps5 is full BC and don't want to spend more money on it (it's my 3rd ps3 lol).

Could these problems be related to lower voltage?

American appliances run on 110 volts, while European appliances are 220 volts. If you see a range of voltages printed on the item or its plug (such as "110–220"), you're OK in Europe.

Electric Europe: Adapters and Converters

www.ricksteves.com

PAL vs NTSC used to be a thing during the PS1 era, at least. The matter is not that the console would need all of that, but when you run lots of electrics consuming the available power at your house could that cause a power shortage for even seconds or milliseconds? And what effects can that do to the system? I remember back when I was in the US if we run many devices at the same apartment (not the case when we moved to a house) we noticed lights getting slightly dimmer.

 

[ThaMonkeyClaw]

Regarding people saying SSD has only load time benefits, please read this:
SSDs are a different beast altogether. Sony’s next-gen console will feature its own purpose-built drive, and what this offers goes beyond greatly reduced loading times and the ability to swoop through crisply presented open worlds at breakneck speeds – though those are both important. IO Interactive lighting artist Stefania Hernandez comments: "Load times can have a big impact on what is possible for game artists. Faster load times give us extra room to add details like props, materials, textures, and lightning, among others with less impact on performance compared to the previous-generation console."
Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ga...discuss-the-potential-of-the-next-generation/

Not just the load times, but the latency of a SSD is so much faster than that of a standard HDD!

 

[DrDamn]

Fake 100%

The news article accompanying the original link said it had been taken down, but looking at it more closely the icon doesn't even line up properly with the others. So yeah, fake.

 

[Handy Fake]

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=https://www.playstation.com/ja-jp/ps5/

Looks to be the same thing as the US/UK pages...

Ah aye, so it is.

 

[ThaMonkeyClaw]

Ah aye, so it is.

Hopefully they announce something soon, otherwise the speculation on the PS5 is going to head into the thermal runaway stage!

 

[hemo memo]

The news article accompanying the original link said it had been taken down, but looking at it more closely the icon doesn't even line up properly with the others. So yeah, fake.

We should have a rule. Any shitty side pic should be considered fake until proven otherwise.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Matter of fact, they once did but pulled it back

I would understand if they keep PS Now exclusive to Bravia and Xperia instead of spreading them all over the place.

 

[ZywyPL]

Tried to compare gap re last gen if 9.2 rumours are correct. if it turns out to be true PS will be in a situation XB was last gen

9.2TF PS5 vs 12.4TF XSX

1.31 XBO vs 1.84 PS4

Nice job, however there's a missing context/crucial data here - with current-gen consoles, PS4 is running games in native FullHD, meaning that XB1 smaller resolution translates into non-native one, 900p to be exact, but with next-gen consoles, we might see a situation similar to what happened with Titanfall 2 on X1X, where due to running in dynamic, uncapped resolution and computing power reserves it would sometimes render even as high as 6K. So that blue PS5 box, while smaller, might still mean a native UHD, whereas XBX (theoretical/rumored) higher power might mean even higher res like 5K (or lesser pop-in, or higher draw distance, and so on, depending on the design choices), so at the end of the day, none of the UHD TV users would experience a bad, blurry picture quality no matter what console he/she chooses, as oppose to this generation.

That being said tho - I can easily see both next-gen consoles NOT running games in native UHD, at least not 100% of the time - Sony is already super successful with their CBR technology, MS is slowly catching up, especially with what they did in Gears 5, and they also already confirmed VRS support for XBX. Plus Nvidia with its latest DLSS instance in Wolfenstein:YB demonstrates that even a 1080p image can look basically identical as native 4K, while 1200-1400p easily surpass it, which was something unthinkable last year. So in a console environment, with fixed/limited power capabilities, there is absolutely zero reasons to NOT double the framerate, for basically free.

 

[ResilientBanana]

It could be fake or it could have been legit, if it was legit I am sure they would have taken it down fairly quickly, but on the flip side it is something that is easy to fake, so obviously, take it with a grain of salt. I even checked the Wayback Machine and didn't see any PS5 logos or references in the HTML code.

If it were real, I'd expect them to right-click, then click inspect element to look into the coding of the page to verify. However, even that can be faked.

 

[hemo memo]

I get so fucking tired of everyone going by the github leak. If anyone thinks Playstation wont put up a fight for the performance crown.. You are wrong. See below, a commercial about the power of playstation posted 9 month ago. So stop!

There is no 9tf PS5. Its either 11, 12 or 13tf

I find this interesting because I went to Gamestop yesterday to pick up Divison 2 because of the sale. When I asked any news on that PS5 pre-order? The Employee says, "uhhh (looks at co-worker)...no not yet".

"Feel more than love this Valentine’s."

 

[Bo_Hazem]

"Feel more than love this Valentine’s."

Already feeling the love of Dreams, that game would be unpredictable with massive creations way better than the lovely LBG.

 

[FERN]

I hope it is confirmed, I love the design in V.

100%

Do you want a black fridge? Or the fuckin' Millennium Falcon!

 

[gamechanger87]

I find this interesting because I went to Gamestop yesterday to pick up Divison 2 because of the sale. When I asked any news on that PS5 pre-order? The Employee says, "uhhh (looks at co-worker)...no not yet".

Why do people think that regular retail workers would have access to any of this information? If they actually did it would have been plastered everywhere for months.

 

[Disco_]

You don't need to go cheap to make your current install base migrate, you can do that by allowing them to bring their games/history to PS5 with native BC.

Which is what the "fast transition" statement is based around, BC with ps4 library. Some people like to twist it to match their narrative though.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Just because it's not there anymore doesn't mean it's a fake. Sony might have seen that it was there too early, and decided to remove it.

Well, the Russian article associated with the Reddit link says just that, it appeared for a brief moment then was pulled back.

 

[Fenris Wolf]

Nice find.

edit: Looks like is not true.

I wouldn't mind the V shape design if the console don't sound like a private jet taking off.
To me the image looks legit. It's either real or someone with some really good Photoshop skills made it.
either way i don't care about any of these cuz i'm gonna tuck that box under my TV.

Edit: by the time i hit enter to post this comment, many said it was fake... damn i'm slow af.

 

[pawel86ck]

Below 10 TF is not on the table. They will not be weaker then Google Stadia and Mark Cerny said 8-9tf is bare minimum to have RT. Just stop it. Both companies are in the bleeding edge race. Get grips with the reality. For all we know, both companies use the insiders for a missinformation campaign.
Also, sure companies lies but I think Sony has been very thrustful this generation (still not 100%, but close)

Google stadia is using GCN Vega, so 9TF Navi would still surpass stadia performance.

Nothing is certain at this point but I hope you are right because I would like to see 2 equally strong consoles.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Both Sony and MS have long history of lies, so maybe it's wise to stop believing everything they say. The thing is, until Sony and MS will officially reveal detailed specs every scenario is possible. What if both XSX and PS5 are below 10TF like verified insiders (Heissenberg and VFXVeteran) suggest? I bet many people here dont even consider this possibility

That's why we need Xbox around and not fleeing the scene into the could gaming void. Sony will always dominate, but we need something to keep it in check.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

Why do people think that regular retail workers would have access to any of this information? If they actually did it would have been plastered everywhere for months.

Exactly. He probably looked over to his co-worker because they were just discussing how everybody asks them as if they would know then some dude comes up and asks them.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

That's why we need Xbox around and not fleeing the seen into the could gaming void. Sony will always dominate, but we need something to keep it in check.

Salam!

 

[Batiman]

I find this interesting because I went to Gamestop yesterday to pick up Divison 2 because of the sale. When I asked any news on that PS5 pre-order? The Employee says, "uhhh (looks at co-worker)...no not yet".

C’mom you know GameStop doesn’t know shit.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

why would they be wrong to think that though? Logically speaking, they dont have as much incentive as MS to win the power game, nor do they from a business perspective. Sony dominated this gen, they know that. They know that this means they already have a large install base for ps5, they dont NEED to win over customers from MS. They likely have zero desire to take financial losses on ps5 units, why would they? From a business standpoint, they would be very comfortable having a slightly weaker unit than MS if it means they wont have to take a loss and their competitor would. MS are the ones in position who need to make a splash

Sorry, I made a mistake. I meant to quote/reply to this.

 

[ThaMonkeyClaw]

I wouldn't mind the V shape design if the console don't sound like a private jet taking off.
To me the image looks legit. It's either real or someone with some really good Photoshop skills made it.
either way i don't care about any of these cuz i'm gonna tuck that box under my TV.

Edit: by the time i hit enter to post this comment, many said it was fake... damn i'm slow af.

I wouldn't mind the 'V' shape either, but even with my moderate Photoshop skills I see two little things on the image that make me think it is fake, it just looks like sloppy work when you get up close to the image, I might 100% wrong, but my spidey sense tells me otherwise. Those two circled parts I feel should have been a little smoother, especially the spot by the controller...again, I might be totally wrong, but I think I am right.

 

[saintjules]

Why do people think that regular retail workers would have access to any of this information? If they actually did it would have been plastered everywhere for months.

I didn't say that personally, hence my comment under the image. I'm adding to say that the facial expressions looked a bit suspicious when I was there.

 

[Fenris Wolf]

I wouldn't mind the 'V' shape either, but even with my moderate Photoshop skills I see two little things on the image that make me think it is fake, it just looks like sloppy work when you get up close to the image, I might 100% wrong, but my spidey sense tells me otherwise. Those two circled parts I feel should have been a little smoother, especially the spot by the controller...again, I might be totally wrong, but I think I am right.

Ah nice find. Actually i didn't zoom in on the picture. So not that great of photoshop skills as i originally thought then... lmao.

 

[saintjules]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2020/02/12/geoff-keighley-will-skip-e3-first-time-25-years/

 

[Evilms]

another fake

 

[Burrito Bandito]

the v shape dev kit is hideous sometimes and “ok” other times i look at it. i prefer some of the fan renders 10 fold. the SX is also just ok imo, not terrible but no onex either. although i can accept the design a lot more knowing that its like that because whatever they got under there requires serious cooling. an official reveal of the ps5s design will tell us everything we need to know in regards to 9tf vs 12+

 

[Handy Fake]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2020/02/12/geoff-keighley-will-skip-e3-first-time-25-years/

... now on the back of the other rumour, that is interesting.

 

[ethomaz]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2020/02/12/geoff-keighley-will-skip-e3-first-time-25-years/

Without PlayStation E3 is dead.

 

[DaMonsta]

Regarding people saying SSD has only load time benefits, please read this:
SSDs are a different beast altogether. Sony’s next-gen console will feature its own purpose-built drive, and what this offers goes beyond greatly reduced loading times and the ability to swoop through crisply presented open worlds at breakneck speeds – though those are both important. IO Interactive lighting artist Stefania Hernandez comments: "Load times can have a big impact on what is possible for game artists. Faster load times give us extra room to add details like props, materials, textures, and lightning, among others with less impact on performance compared to the previous-generation console."
Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ga...discuss-the-potential-of-the-next-generation/

The thing is, all this is true of stronger hardware period. With or without a SSD. You would expect faster streaming, and more detailed worlds.

Sure the SSD will help feed the more powerful hardware faster, but ultimately it’s the entire package that’s the upgrade.

People putting too much stock into SSD due to Sony’s PR.

 

[saintjules]

... now on the back of the other rumour, that is interesting.

Maybe that deleted tweet of the sinking ship was in relation to E3 lol.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

... now on the back of the other rumour, that is interesting.

What other rumor?

 

[DrDamn]

I wouldn't mind the 'V' shape either, but even with my moderate Photoshop skills I see two little things on the image that make me think it is fake, it just looks like sloppy work when you get up close to the image, I might 100% wrong, but my spidey sense tells me otherwise. Those two circled parts I feel should have been a little smoother, especially the spot by the controller...again, I might be totally wrong, but I think I am right.

Get a piece of paper with a straight edge and line it up along the top of the PS4 and PS4 Pro. The PS5 icon doesn't line up properly - no zooming required . It looks off by eye, straight paper confirms it.

 

[darkinstinct]

Below 10 TF is not on the table. They will not be weaker then Google Stadia and Mark Cerny said 8-9tf is bare minimum to have RT. Just stop it. Both companies are in the bleeding edge race. Get grips with the reality. For all we know, both companies use the insiders for a missinformation campaign.
Also, sure companies lies but I think Sony has been very thrustful this generation (still not 100%, but close)

Just a reminder: By the time Google announced how powerful Stadia would be (19th of March 2019), every console APU would have already been designed and in testing. So there is no way for Sony or Microsoft to react to Google aside from clock speed increases. So the idea that they want to beat Stadia in TF is flawed, they would have either planned a console that is faster than Stadia or slower - without even knowing.

Regarding people saying SSD has only load time benefits, please read this:
SSDs are a different beast altogether. Sony’s next-gen console will feature its own purpose-built drive, and what this offers goes beyond greatly reduced loading times and the ability to swoop through crisply presented open worlds at breakneck speeds – though those are both important. IO Interactive lighting artist Stefania Hernandez comments: "Load times can have a big impact on what is possible for game artists. Faster load times give us extra room to add details like props, materials, textures, and lightning, among others with less impact on performance compared to the previous-generation console."
Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ga...discuss-the-potential-of-the-next-generation/

True, but there's also this:

Remedy Developer Says PS5's SSD Capability Is Limited

According to Remedy Entertainment's technical director, Mika Vehkala, developers may not utilize the seamless loading of PS5's SSD.

cogconnected.com

"Apparently if games remain graphically consistent with this generation, load times will be almost instant. Vehkala clarified that developers might take shortcuts and not always optimize the data being loaded by the SSD, resulting in load times similar to today’s consoles ."

 

[ThaMonkeyClaw]

Ah nice find. Actually i didn't zoom in on the picture. So not that great of photoshop skills as i originally thought then... lmao.

It's not horrible, but I could pick up on the mistakes, they could have done a cleaner job! Lol

another fake

I feel we are going to be seeing lots of Photoshops of this now!

The thing is, all this is true of stronger hardware period. With or without a SSD. You would expect faster streaming, and more detailed worlds.

Sure the SSD will help feed the more powerful hardware faster, but ultimately it’s the entire package that’s the upgrade.

People putting too much stock into SSD due to Sony’s PR.

I know Sony is really pushing the SSD in the PS5, which I really think it is going to help a lot, probably even for stuff we aren't even thinking about, but I have been itching for SSD drive speeds since the beginning of the PS4 so I personally can't wait! Everything is going to load and run so much faster & smoother!

 

[Gamernyc78]

I think that this is the next logical step for this partnership, beneficial for both parties; buy Samsung Smart TV + Xbox controller + Gamepass Subscription and you are sorted (you can play, probably with acceptable quality and lag at 1080p over WiFi and 4k over the wired connection) no console purchase necessary and MS can drive GamePass numbers up.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sony also offers PSNow app on Smart TVs

Sony been there and done that having Psnow on tvs thy just put a hold on it for whatever reason. Where were you when Psnow rolled out?

 

[Handy Fake]

What other rumor?

That Keighley was going to be presenting the PS show? I may have misremembered...

 

[Bo_Hazem]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2020/02/12/geoff-keighley-will-skip-e3-first-time-25-years/

E3 is already hollow, it'll crack soon. Probably he's having something with Sony instead around that time? Only an assumption.

 

[devilNprada]

Percentage-wise, this is higher than the coronovirus lethality.

Only about 0.13-0.14% people die from the FLU about 2.3% are dying from the Corona Viras the fatality rate is not at all higher for the FLU.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

"Apparently if games remain graphically consistent with this generation, load times will be almost instant. Vehkala clarified that developers might take shortcuts and not always optimize the data being loaded by the SSD, resulting in load times similar to today’s consoles ."

Is he comparing 0.115GB/s to 5-7GB/s? I doesn't sound like a developer.

 

[Mass Shift]

E3 is already hollow, it'll crack soon. Probably he's having something with Sony instead around that time? Only an assumption.

That would be the easiest assumption any of us could make.

It's a bit of a gamble on his part too. Alot of people don't like him, ESPECIALLY for his commercial alliances. Leaving E3 to become an exclusive Sony spokesman (because you know that's how people are going to spin it) will have an expected blowback.

 

[hemo memo]

another fake

Someone please make a Vita 2 fake.

 

[Neo Blaster]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2020/02/12/geoff-keighley-will-skip-e3-first-time-25-years/

Geoff presenting Sony event simultaneously to E3 confirmed!!!

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Talking about looks and sizes, I personally don't really care much about that. I would take the PS5 dev kit and would be more than happy with it, and same goes for XSX if I was considering it. The only problem with XSX is I think you should put something above it when you're finished to avoid dust collecting, and should NOT forget to take it off before using it, or just place it horizontally.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

That would be the easiest assumption any of us could make.

It's a bit of a gamble on his part too. Alot of people don't like him, ESPECIALLY for his commercial alliances. Leaving E3 to become an exclusive Sony spokesman (because you know that's how people are going to spin it) will have an expected blowback.

Yup, I think he'll just show up on an occasional xbox event to cover that. His last line points out to the same conclusion:

"... I look forward to supporting the industry in other ways and at other events in the future."

 

[gaming_noob]

That Keighley was going to be presenting the PS show? I may have misremembered...

Pure speculation about his tweet about an exciting phone call. Sony fans spinning everything to be about PS5 is a tiring read.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I think underestimating PS5's SSD isn't wise. I've installed a 5400rpm 2TB. The original one says SATA 3.0GB/s

Even the Pro version, mine says SATA 6GB/s interface like this one:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B010CBASS0/?tag=neogaf0e-20

And I remember my friends asking me how I respawn most of the time the first between all of the 32 members on Battlefield 4, BF1. Put in mind I'm playing on European servers with 150-180 ping as well. I would believe input lags should be minimized as well. Even this one and mine are considered very weak compared to new HDD's like from WD that reached 256MB/s read/write numbers, compared to old fashion SSD's at 512MB/s!

 

[Handy Fake]

Pure speculation about his tweet about an exciting phone call. Sony fans spinning everything to be about PS5 is a tiring read.

Oh not at all, I just recalled reading something in this thread and it seemed to mesh.
Finding all this cloak and dagger stuff quite invigorating to be honest.

 

[Mass Shift]

Only about 0.13-0.14% people die from the FLU about 2.3% are dying from the Corona Viras the fatality rate is not at all higher for the FLU.

The incubation period is much more significant than the FLU. You can go more than 14 days being infectious without being symptomatic.

You can even be cleared and sent home after those 14 days and be misdiagnosed, only to discover you have it and that you infected others in the process.

And lastly, synthesizing a vaccine is going to be difficult without understanding how it mutates. It has high transmittance value. They aren't just locking people in place, their even seizing their cars as the virus stays on surfaces for up to 10 days.

Who does that over the FLU?

Then there are the non-health factors. Long and sustained travel bands will impact businesses and start to cripple any nation's economy.