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[DemonCleaner]

Actually, my die area estimates are based off Liara Brave's numbers from ResetEra. He takes RT area into account. Incidentally it isn't expected to be much:

a) Because the area devoted to RT cores for BVH intersection acceleration in RTX aren't much (Liara Brave increases each CU footprint by the same proportion)
and b) from AMD's patent on their own projected RT hardware implementation, it appears they're putting the BVH acceleration hardware in the RBEs, while at the same time it appears not to be as comprehensive in design as RTX's implementation. So the prevailing estimation is that it should take less area.

In which case, my die area estimates would be considered somewhat conservative.

In any case, that post was merely intended to be indicative of the relative difference in per die cost for going with a larger die with more shader cores, than a faster smaller die. It's only intended to be indicative.

do you have a link to the forementioned estimates?

i've done a layout proposal for a potential big next gen die last summer. back then not taking into account ray tracing components and came to very similar numbers for die size as you quoted. you seem technically interested, so i strongly suggest to read the first two posts (and maybe the last few).

i know the raytracing patent and came across some additional info on rdna design since then. i might update my layout prediction with this information when i find some time. anyways i don't think the surfaced facts still support the conclusion that we will see a <=370mm² die for XSX. It will be larger in the forementioned 400mm² zone. ps5's die accordingly.

 

[jroc74]

But that's where I read the backwards compatibility issue comes into play. It looks like they have to go with 36 CU's to match the PS4 and PS4 Pro for backwards compatibility. And this CU count makes the PS5 around 9 TF. I have no clue why they can't use a higher CU count and deactivate the ones they don't need during backwards compatibility but that's what I have read.

And here's where I'm stuck at in all this.

If that's the case...why didn't the Pro use 18 cu's... They did more for a mid gen refresh, but can't for a new gen?

Some are saying they can deactivate some but the max is 40...because github.

Why couldn't the max be higher and because of the BC test or Sony's BC it's not showing the full amount available?

 

[Sussoloc]

Can we get a XSX 10TF and PS5 14TF rumor before page 1000 please?

 

[sinnergy]

And here's where I'm stuck at in all this.

If that's the case...why didn't the Pro use 18 cu's... They did more for a mid gen refresh, but can't for a new gen?

Some are saying they can deactivate some but the max is 40...because github.

Why couldn't the max be higher and because of the BC test or Sony's BC it's not showing the full amount available?

Only time will tell, because you can’t easily change a architecture, building this stuff takes years.

I work in software and building architecture for some systems even takes years, I can imagine hardware is even harder. And then all the dependence, your not only making the hardware but also the software that game makers use, people who need to sell the games... they are dependable on Sony for their earnings ..
and like to have hardware in their hands that’s dependable and not in flux for years, that won’t make very good first years games.

 

[pasterpl]

Question for everyone here for those with gaming PC'S

Does anyone plan on buying a XSX or do you plan on playing xbox on your pc's?

Ive decided on ps5 on day one and have built a new pc all of it is new bar the gpu *970* im waiting to see what is released by nvidia and amd this year with that in mind do i wait it out or just get both consoles AHHHHHHHH

I already have got a gaming laptop (Razer Blade Pro 17) but I'm still getting XSEX on day one, will get PS5 (Pro?) when it is refreshed mid-gen. I do the same exact thing every generation.

 

[IkarugaDE]

Probably was posted already, goodness the page counts are insane here :

(source:https://bgr.com/2020/02/17/ps5-specs-vs-xbox-series-x-new-leak-lists-cpu-gpu-and-ssd-details/) originally from 4chan it seems.

Also interesting that there is the 500gb again it seems. Maybe a strategic compromise considering many may have external storage ready for use if this 500gb size is accurate at all. Take with a grain......of salt.....as usual.....

Few toughts about that I want to share with you all.

1st: If I were a stupid leaker and wants to make a leak as credible as possible, why the hell would I select a 500gb SSD where I know most people will see that very critical and won't believe it?

2nd: It is quity possible the PS5 is being offered with a 500GB and 1TB SSD

3rd: See the Sony patent in the attachments. It could be possible the PS5 also has a easy-to-access-expansion-slot at the back (simultaneously to the PS4 HDD Slot).

 

[Sussoloc]

Question for everyone here for those with gaming PC'S

Does anyone plan on buying a XSX or do you plan on playing xbox on your pc's?

Ive decided on ps5 on day one and have built a new pc all of it is new bar the gpu *970* im waiting to see what is released by nvidia and amd this year with that in mind do i wait it out or just get both consoles AHHHHHHHH

I have a decent gaming Pc, but i will probably go for XSX day 1. For me consoles and pcs are as different as cars and motorcycles. Both drive, make fun and take you from A to b, but the feeling is completely different.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Sony is in a weird spot imo ! They would absolutely shout this is the best place to play! They don’t show much confidence these days. It’s weird, a complete 180 gram last gen.

On this day in 2013 u didn’t know anything about ps4 hardware from Sony lol . Not a single word officially . Now u know many features of ps5 officially. I know you are fanboy and u want to frame Sony in negative light but god use your brain to make the comparison to ps4 in the same point in time (feb 18,2013)when you are writing a sentence about how Sony is far behind in communication about ps5 in reference to ps4.

 

[Agnostic2020]

But that's where I read the backwards compatibility issue comes into play. It looks like they have to go with 36 CU's to match the PS4 and PS4 Pro for backwards compatibility. And this CU count makes the PS5 around 9 TF. I have no clue why they can't use a higher CU count and deactivate the ones they don't need during backwards compatibility but that's what I have read.

Nope

To you both , ps4 pro disables half of its cu for ps4 BC. They didn’t go with 18 cu for pro . So what you 2 say makes absolutely no sense. Sony patent is about disabling CU for legacy hardware . Not keeping it same lol . Don’t spread misinformation when you don’t know about something

 

[Agnostic2020]

Following Sony’s announcement of its financial results for the past quarter, analyst Hideki Yasuda from prominent Osaka-based firm Ace Research Institute posted his analysis about the performance of PS5.

Source:

PS5 Expected to Ship 6 Million Units by March 2021 According to Japanese Analyst

Following Sony's financial results announcement for the past quarter, analyst Hideki Yasuda from Osaka-based firm Ace Research Institute weighed in.

twinfinite.net

So Sony expects to sell same number as ps3 (6million)and slightly below ps4(7.2 million). I guess that’s kinda a hint at 499 price .

 

[TBiddy]

On this day in 2013 u didn’t know anything about ps4 lol . Not a single word officially . Now u know many features of ps5 officially. I know you are fanboy and u want to frame Sony in negative light but god use your brain before you talk please

Sony invited the media to a Playstation Meeting in february 2013. The invites were sent in januar 2013, meaning they were at least a month earlier out than this time.

Also, language please.

 

[Sussoloc]

So Sony expects to sell same number as ps3 (6million)and slightly below ps4(7.2 million). I guess that’s kinda a hint at 499 price .

"According to Japanese Analyst" How could this be a hint?

 

[Agnostic2020]

Sony invited the media to a Playstation Meeting in february 2013. The invites were sent in januar 2013, meaning they were at least a month earlier out than this time.

Also, language please.

Invites means knowledge of hardware ? It is a fact that we know more about ps5 hardware officially right now than we did about ps4 which makes his sentence nonsense .

Language ? I asked him to use his brain to make comparisons when we have actual points of reference .that’s not an offense . Don’t like it ignore button is there .thanks

 

[BattleScar]

These are predictions being made for 12 months in the future. None of what they say is set in stone. If they are under the impression the unit price is $a, then they may forecast x unit sales; if they're under the impression the unit price is $b, then they may forecast y unit sales.
Doesn't fucking matter, until we know what the bloody price is. At this point it's speculation. Even if it is an industry analyst.

 

[Agnostic2020]

These are predictions being made for 12 months in the future. None of what they say is set in stone. If they are under the impression the unit price is $a, then they may forecast x unit sales; if they're under the impression the unit price is $b, then they may forecast y unit sales.
Doesn't fucking matter, until we know what the bloody price is. At this point it's speculation. Even if it is an industry analyst.

could even refer to supply constraints. It’s all speculation . My price comment was also speculation btw

 

[Arlgrim]

Can we get a XSX 10TF and PS5 14TF rumor before page 1000 please?

 

[TBiddy]

Invites means knowledge of hardware ? It is a fact that we know more about ps5 hardware officially right now than we did about ps4 which makes his sentence nonsense .

Language ? I asked him to use his brain to make comparisons when we have actual points of reference .that’s not an offense . Don’t like it ignore button is there .thanks

You were the one talking about hardware, not him.

I don't have anyone on ignore. It kinda ruins the whole point of a discussion forum. I'm merely suggesting you should tone down your aggressiveness.

 

[Agnostic2020]

You were the one talking about hardware, not him.

I don't have anyone on ignore. It kinda ruins the whole point of a discussion forum. I'm merely suggesting you should tone down your aggressiveness.

Sure I re-edited my reply so it doesn’t come off as aggressive as that was not my intentions .It gets tiring to read his negative spin on everything even when it’s wrong factually.

 

[TBiddy]

Sure I re-edited my reply so it doesn’t come off as aggressive as that was not my intentions .It gets tiring to read his negative spin on everything even when it’s wrong factually.

I agree. It gets tiring to watch the same users spin everything in a negative light, no matter where their allegiance lies. And truth be told, I'm also guilty of aggressive posts from time to time.

 

[M-V2]

I had a dream that Mark Cerny gave me a devkit & I played outriders on it, I swear I woke up & I was fuckkkk!!

 

[DrDamn]

Sony invited the media to a Playstation Meeting in february 2013. The invites were sent in januar 2013, meaning they were at least a month earlier out than this time.

Invites were sent out 31st Jan, so 18 days out at this point. #nitpicking

I'd say the Wired articles last year at the very least indicate a different approach this time and any big reveal will be dependent on readiness of lots of stuff. No least the current situation in China. Much as I'd love to have a load of new official info to get excited about I'm happy to let it come when it's ready to be revealed. If anything the approach this time seems measured and tightly planned.

 

[Agnostic2020]

I agree. It gets tiring to watch the same users spin everything in a negative light, no matter where their allegiance lies. And truth be told, I'm also guilty of aggressive posts from time to time.

Yea it happens . But I don’t want to be an aggressive fanboy myself haha . And if I play their fanboy game dramas I m in it with them . I need to watch that .
And yes both sides do it . lack of concrete info on the hardware specs for a technical thread will turn the thread in those directions

 

[Bo_Hazem]

If it's a shooter, I'm putting my money on Black Ops 5.

Smart guess, 000000 = Black, O the first letter of Ops

 

[sinnergy]

He is trolling ... 000000 in hex is black , his name has black in it

 

[DrDamn]

He is trolling ... 000000 in hex is black , his name has black in it

Maybe it's OsirisBlack the game? An insider goes postal and starts killing fanboys after losing it over the constant questions about TFs and which one is faster? OsirisBlack do you own a shotgun? /backs slowly out of the thread...

 

[IkarugaDE]

He is trolling ... 000000 in hex is black , his name has black in it

Yep and O stands for Osiris. At the end it's his name in a different order.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Smart guess, 000000 = Black, O the first letter of Ops

when was the release date for the past BO4? based on that we will know if BO5 is due in 2020 or not

 

[Captain Hero]

I had a dream that Mark Cerny gave me a devkit & I played outriders on it, I swear I woke up & I was fuckkkk!!

I don't exist in dreams ..

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Question for everyone here for those with gaming PC'S

Does anyone plan on buying a XSX or do you plan on playing xbox on your pc's?

Ive decided on ps5 on day one and have built a new pc all of it is new bar the gpu *970* im waiting to see what is released by nvidia and amd this year with that in mind do i wait it out or just get both consoles AHHHHHHHH

Be my guest, pick this one for for $2850 and you're not guaranteed to beat both consoles in every game:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HRV4G8T/?tag=neogaf0e-20

- 2080Ti has 11GB GDDR6, and it's already shown that there is a 15-16GB mode in current gen games like RE2 remake. It packs more brute force but the memory could tank if 16GB GDDR6 of next games are utilized.
- NVMe m.2 at 3GB/s compared to 5-7GB/s of PS5, less or more than Xbox.

You better wait for the 3080 or the Big Navi if it was true that it packs 80 CU, then it should be a good upgrade over consoles compared to current PC selection that could be totally inferior or in some parts. The new GPU's said to pack 16GB which meets next gen standards. Plus most (all?) current GPU's don't support HDMI 2.1.

With that money you better spend $1000 on both consoles, $1000-1500 on the new TCL 6-Series with full HDMI 2.1 support, or Sony's X900H if full HDMI 2.1 support is officially confirmed for better color accuracy as Sony is top on that (actually all TV's use Sony's reference monitor). OLED's are great for 1 year then you might or might not notice degrading or burn-ins after you spend too much money on them, and they tend to have shit HDR performance because they're capped at 600-nits, 400-nits under the standard for HDR that would jump to 4000-nits and 10,000-nits in the future. With the rest of money just by games on both consoles and probably a premium headset and a PSVR2.

With that PC you'll need to buy a monitor or TV as well, and if it's not 4K+ then don't waste your money. If you have other purposes other than gaming then wait until you see what new GPU's will pack.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

when was the release date for the past BO4? based on that we will know if BO5 is due in 2020 or not

I don't play Call of Duties since ages. Didn't keep up but probably 1-2 years? not sure.

 

[welshrat]

Question for everyone here for those with gaming PC'S

Does anyone plan on buying a XSX or do you plan on playing xbox on your pc's?

Ive decided on ps5 on day one and have built a new pc all of it is new bar the gpu *970* im waiting to see what is released by nvidia and amd this year with that in mind do i wait it out or just get both consoles AHHHHHHHH

PS5 all the way, my gaming PC will be fine for all Xbox related stuff and more, I have bought xbox every gen since 360 but always sell it as it always ends up gathering dust. I had an One X for a year but it died the 5 days before the warranty so ended up with a full refund and didn't look back. I am sure it will sell very well especially if it has the power crown however it doesn't fit with my needs.

I used to like having a gaming PC etc in the living room but I have such a good setup in my office that its also nice to have more than one place to play.

 

[Neo Blaster]

But that's where I read the backwards compatibility issue comes into play. It looks like they have to go with 36 CU's to match the PS4 and PS4 Pro for backwards compatibility. And this CU count makes the PS5 around 9 TF. I have no clue why they can't use a higher CU count and deactivate the ones they don't need during backwards compatibility but that's what I have read.

If they used the butterfly design once on Pro, why can't they do the same and use a 'triple butterfly', adding 18 more CUs(18+18+18=54) and disable one or two banks on demand?

 

[pasterpl]

I have a feeling that it will end up like this....

	PlayStation 5	Xbox Series X
CPU	AMD Zen 2 @3.7 GHz	AMD Zen 2 @3.7 GHz
GPU	14.9 TFLOPS (RDNA 1.5)	8 TFLOPS (RDNA 1.5)
RAM	20 GB GDDR6 + 4 GB DDR4	8 GB GDDR6 + 4 GB DDR4
Storage	128 GB SSD @5.5 GB/s + 1TB HDD	1 TB SSD @3.8 GB/s + 1TB HDD
Bandwidth	576 GB/s	596 GB/s

Spoiler

Completely made up

 

[Perrott]

when was the release date for the past BO4? based on that we will know if BO5 is due in 2020 or not

Jason Schreier already reported that the 2020 COD game will be Black Ops V, co-developed by Treyarch, Sledgehammer and Raven Software.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

Jason Schreier already reported that the 2020 COD game will be Black Ops V, co-developed by Treyarch, Sledgehammer and Raven Software.

Will it have a story mode?

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

We'd hit 2k pages in this thread before Sony holds an event/talks about PS5!

 

[jackets with pockets]

About those "head shots" of Cerny etc...

Good site for background removal: https://www.remove.bg

Example:

 

[Neo Blaster]

Sony invited the media to a Playstation Meeting in february 2013. The invites were sent in januar 2013, meaning they were at least a month earlier out than this time.

Also, language please.

He's got a point, we knew nothing about PS4 and had a meeting on February. Nowadays, we already know something about PS5, so they can push any event even further than this month.

 

[Perrott]

Will it have a story mode?

Yes, developed by Sledgehammer and Raven. It seems that Treyarch it's only in charge of the multiplayer mode.

 

[OsirisBlack]

It’s not my name smh

 

[Bo_Hazem]

It’s not my name smh

Then it's black ops? But how come? Or maybe Control 2? This fast?

 

[Fake]

Black 2.

This game is epic

 

[TBiddy]

He's got a point, we knew nothing about PS4 and had a meeting on February. Nowadays, we already know something about PS5, so they can push any event even further than this month.

We know next to nothing. I mean, Ryzen CPU and SSD, and that's about it.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

000000 = Black
O = Hole

Black Hole

 

[MrJekyll16]

We know next to nothing. I mean, Ryzen CPU and SSD, and that's about it.

We actually know more than that. Navi GPU, Hardware Based Raytracing, PS5 controller with Haptic Feedback, differences between a HDD and SSD tested with Spiderman. I'm still missing a lot of other stuff aswell, at this time we know way way more than usual.

 

[DJ12]

It’s not my name smh

Is it Mary-Jo-Lisa?

 

[TBiddy]

We actually know more than that. Navi GPU, Hardware Based Raytracing, PS5 controller with Haptic Feedback, differences between a HDD and SSD tested with Spiderman. I'm still missing a lot of other stuff aswell, at this time we know way way more than usual.

You're right.

 

[SportsFan581]

More rumors today (not from sources I'd classify as proven credible) on both using discrete GPUs + CPUs. At first glance the numbers wouldn't seem to work at all, but if you take into account big navi is said to be around 500mm2 and then lob a quarter of it off...

It will be interesting to see how they've achieved whatever level of performance they have.

Side Note: Why does everyone post the pics of that creepy dude. No one wants to see that.

 

[Neo Blaster]

We know next to nothing. I mean, Ryzen CPU and SSD, and that's about it.

And Navi GPU with RT, new controller with haptic feedback, 3D audio...we knew nothing this time in 2013.

 

[nowhat]

Storage - 128 GB SSD @5.5 GB/s + 1TB HDD

That may be completely made up, but actually I wouldn't mind this, and such a "custom hybrid" (proprietary fast SSD solution combined with a traditional HDD) is what I suggested would be optimal before we had any idea of the upcoming hardware. Provided that Sony and/or MS can get it to work without the HDD causing any bottlenecks, it would be pretty great. Assuming the HDD is still user-replaceable and thus can easily be swapped for a bigger drive.