Senua
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Microsoft confirms 12 TF RDNA 2 for the Xbox Series X
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Bonfires Down
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Well fuck me. I wonder if PC hardware manufacturers will ever stop overcharging us out the ass.
They won't
SleepDoctor
Banned
I just want an unveiling of both already with launch games and all.
The free upgrade deal is definitely nice. Hopefully everyone releasing an upgrade for their game does the same.
The free upgrade deal is definitely nice. Hopefully everyone releasing an upgrade for their game does the same.
Old Empire.
Member
I used the PS now on PS4 I can download the full game or stream it, there two options. I have not used it on PC, but since Sony now using Azure servers, the ones Microsoft use for gamepass, a download full game option can be added. Sony will just have to request their devs to make a PC version!
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Screamer-RSA
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12 TF? Impressive. Hopefully they are talking about FP32 performance not FP16. If FP32 I guess I'll be playing console settings 30FPS on my 1080Ti next gen.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
What if I told you that Sony makes waaaay more than money with PSNow and PS+, than MS does with Xbox Live, Xcloud, and Gamepass.
GymWolf
Member
Yeah ok, but how much time pass between console release and ps now release?
6 months? 1 year? More?
We are in a videogame forum, we are hyped hardcore gamers, no one is gonna wait that amount of time to play their favourite games.
I don't have the strengh to wait for some games.
Sony need to make clarity on their pc gaming release status hoping that they don't pull off a shitty move like microsoft did during this gen.
GHG
Gold Member
We don't know how much this costs yet and the reason console manufacturers can get better deals from parts suppliers is because the consoles are being mass produced.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
7nm EUV would be my guess just based on the time frames. In October 2019 TSMC announced mass production of N7+. In November 2019 the devkits for XSX started to ship. Plus Tom Warren's "there's a good reason why Xbox devkit availability is lagging behind PS devkits" tweet. N7+ gives either 10 % performance gains or 15 % less power consumption. I doubt anybody will bother with 5nm. It's 7nm/7N+ for now for consoles and then 3nm in 2023. Should give a nice slim version half-way through the generation.
Old Empire.
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Xbox came in late there was no fanbase there at start.
It an accepted fact PS3 was more powerful than the Xbox 360, its reason the Sony first party games looked great. Third party devs did not use the power, and some found it difficult to code for.PS3 was much more expensive than the xbox 360 at launch due to the spec.
June
Member
Xbox has been doing right for a while now. It's a shame they/Don Mattrick fucked up the launch so bad because my digital collection and friends make it kind of hard to switch from Playstation now...
Also, the console itself looks fucking sexy. Just a big black monolith, I likey
Also, the console itself looks fucking sexy. Just a big black monolith, I likey
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SleepDoctor
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Ohhh the hurt lol. Calling people morons and all cuz you feel threatened by the competition to your console of choice.
I love when people embarrass themselves like this, its quite entertaining
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Shin
Banned
No resigning required also, considering that those are initially scheduled for 7nm node to begin with.
5nm at least is a full node from 7nm apparently, don't know where 3nm sits, but it could be one of the factors that the specs are as is.
The cost will go down as the nodes become available and have matured, retail price will most likely remain the same throughout the gen like they have been for the current for the most part.
Makes sense to me.
Old Empire.
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I'm not sure about timelines. But my suspicion is Sony is looking at gamepass like feature for PC.
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Senua
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nikolino840
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The tower of power
Bladed Thesis
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GHG
Gold Member
It's nice to see them appear to be on the right side for consumers for once.
Let's hope it lasts.
Bladed Thesis
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How is it useless because you have a pc? Because you can play on your couch and then play at your desktop and your saved game transfers?
I love how gamers being given freedom to play anywhere is a problem.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
MS would rather you play their games on Xbox due to the much higher chance you'll purchase other products they get a ~30% cut of.
Releasing on PC is a strategy to widen their audience not to move it to PC.
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bRacing
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Yeah, I see it more as a shot at Don Matrick and younger Phil Spencer.
Not a problem though. You are still in the Microsoft ecosystem.
Also, if it would bother Microsoft, they would just release their games on XBOX.
Also, Imagine that, its so NOT a Problem that even SONY is releasing their EXCLUSIVE games on PC. That’s how much PC doesn’t hurt console.
Sony is willing to release their exclusive games on a Microsoft platform.
alabtrosMyster
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Those suits like to say things like that, I would not take Phil's word as gospel if I were you, that guy is a PR mouth piece.
Not that I think anyone could release a console with a more powerful GPU this year - certainly not in console price ranges - if anything I suspect Sony will release a console with a GPU that could be anywhere between 10 - 12TF, since rumors about the relative power of the consoles are all over the place we just don't know at this point.
ManaByte
Member
That guy runs the Xbox division.
Not many people know about dreams though.
No marketing from Sony and just a few copies sold. So, it doesn’t really matter.
Vawn
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Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Wtf, really didn't expected to be 12TF RDNA 2.0. It is a beast after all, hope PS5 is in the same ballpark. Im fully expecting them both to be very capable consoles. Will get both hopefully at launch. Im hyped asf now, bring it on 
yes
redfirm
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Have the controller for pc. Thanks thoughtOr you could.... come to the green side. We have really nice controllers.
Hawking Radiation
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Thanks.Ohhh the hurt lol. Calling people morons and all cuz you feel threatened by the competition to your console of choice.
I love when people embarrass themselves like this, its quite entertaining
I'll add you to my ignore list. As you were.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Damn should be powerful enough to heat my room in winter
Fake
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You mean the Xbox Series X GPU right? Maybe, depends of the leap between RDNA 1.0 vs RDNA 2.0
Trogdor1123
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Sony must be getting some kind of response ready... The entire narrative is out of their hands right now.
01011001
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9.2TF and 12TF is a difference of 23%
that is basically the difference in GPU performance of the PS3 and 360 which had 192GF and 240GF respectively and well below the 30% of the PS4 to Xbox One difference which usually resulted in the difference being 1080p and 900p in almost all early to mid generation games.
taking into account that these systems will most likely not have the bandwidth issues the Xbox One had due to its cheaper RAM configuration the difference between a 9.2TF PS5 and a 12TF Series X will be way smaller than the difference between the PS4 and the Xbox One.
so to me that sounds like 2 systems that a very close to each other.
if this difference will come true we will maybe see that the Series X will have slightly better anti-aliasing in Game A, a slightly more stable framerate in Game B, maybe Game C which runs at 4k60 on Series X will "only" run at ~1900p60 on PS5 which then will use reconstruction to reach 4k and maybe in Game D the shadow resolution or foliage drawdistance will be slightly lowered on PS5.
these differences will be so small that you will need Digital Foundry to point them out to you or you wouldn't notice without having both games running on 2 TVs next to each other.
the insufferable console warriors are those that see any talk about the possibility of a very real source being the APU for the PS5 as a personal attack on them. when those specs would be considered very close to most people, especially those who have seen games in action on both.
people that saw Xbox One and PS4 games before they were revealed also called those systems' performances "very close", and they are pretty close to eachother... and the GPU alone wasn't responsible for many of the issues the Xbox One had with some games, that was also an issue with the slow RAM and the resulting smaller bandwidth. + the fact that developers had to use the system's ESRAM which was another extra step developers had to take to optimize Xbox One versions on top of the slower GPU.
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ManaByte
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DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I will buy the console, but my thing with Xbox has always been their lack of overall RPGs and I prefer Sony’s first party titles and Xbox’s dashboards have always been so weird since the blades. I thought Xbox One’s dashboard was so awful. It’s so confusing and uninviting.
Hopefully they get that right this time around.
Love the specs though.
Hopefully they get that right this time around.
Love the specs though.
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darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
You typically measure the difference from the weaker to the more powerful system, not the other way around. 9TF to 12 TF would be a 33% difference in power. 12 TF is 33 % more powerful than 9 TF.
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Shin
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Short answer: yes
Long answer: too many variables but still yes (nVidia vs. AMA TFlops, PC vs. console, unknown GPU, gains over RDNA is unknown to me).
You will need to add the above variables and more into consideration, but at the end of the day it should be.
UserBenchmark: AMD RX 5700-XT vs Nvidia GTX 1080-Ti
gpu.userbenchmark.com
vpance
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Maybe, maybe not. I don't think they want to appear like they're making a response to MS, so I doubt they'll release anything soon.
MilkyJoe
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One for out of context thread
Vawn
Banned
They don't. People think Microsoft owns the PC platform and somehow gets revenue from non-MS games sold on Steam, etc.
R6Rider
Gold Member
This is top tier comedy right here.
01011001
Banned
well okay but all the percentage differences I used are bottom up measurements, so the relative differences for each generation are still valid you just have to imagine higher numbers on all of them.
the point is that these differences still usually resulted in very similar looking games. and had the XBox One had GDDR5 ram and didn't rely in an ESRAM buffer the differences would be even smaller.
remember how GTA 5 had a little bit less grass on the ground? noone would notice this shit on their own.
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Romulus
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Worldwide sales source?