Agnostic2020
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Oh fuck hope this shit is not true :
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xiaoming10086
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If the fan sucks cool air from the side and pushs the hot air our from the back of the console just like ps4 pro retail version, then dose it matter wether the fan is above the mother board or under?
Sorry but I kinda don't get your point there, I'm not good at English.
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B_Boss
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TherapistGaymer
Banned
Yeah I hope these guys dont have girlfriends lmao jkFirst the jokes on my arms now the beard. I don't win with you guys
No get in the gym people and get a good barber! Gamers dont have to look like Cartman.
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GHG
Gold Member
Sometimes a single intake fan can be enough dependant on the route of airflow combined with the amount of pressure.
For small form factor builds a focus on static pressure is always best.
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Deleted member 775630
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Do Sony and Microsoft have different suppliers and manufacturers for their console? Because otherwise Microsoft will have to do exactly the same...Oh fuck hope this shit is not true :
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Ok, I'll try and explain better.
Heat rises. So would the fan be better if it was above the board, to catch the heat and remove it?
Sorry guys, I don't want to derail the thread with my lack of knowledge on fans haha.
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alex_m
Neo Member
PS4 Fan is intake. I just recently reapplied cooling paste, because my PS4Pro was loud as fuck.
For the PS5 I don't care how it looks, as long as it has a beefy cooler with a large slow spinning ventilator.
Sosokrates
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Oh fuck hope this shit is not true :
If there are supply constraints, I can't see how this would also not effect Xbox too. Unless ms has secured a more reliable supply chain.
I wonder why they don't start manufacturing in the US, Labour is cheaper in China, but business taxes are the lowest they have been in a long time in the States and they would also save on transportation costs.
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
What if Sony are delaying till they have some games running well on PS5 first.
GodFall received a mild reaction so they're keen to not repeat that.
GodFall received a mild reaction so they're keen to not repeat that.
Mriverz
Member
Beat me to it lol. Only thing i can think of is the ssd/cooling? Unless Sony really is using hbm flash bolt or aqua bolt.
But gddr6 is made by samsung, mircon and hynix. Havnt seen any other makers
“GDDR6 is being manufactured by Samsung, Micron and Hynix. Samsung and Micron GDDR6 will cater to the enthusiasts segment and will have maximum speed of 16Gbps (16GB & 32Gb dies), while Hynix will offer their GDDR6 to the mainstream segment and will have speeds of 10-12 Gbps to 12-14 Gbps with 8GB dies”
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alex_m
Neo Member
Doesn't make much of a difference in regards of the cooling effect. Try to heat up the stove, you won't realise much of a chimney effect. Top fan is actually better because you won't suck in that much dust.
xiaoming10086
Member
I think no or at least not so much influence. Because my graphics card is like this. The fan is under the mother board.
And almost every graphics card is the same ( I guess?)
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Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
Doesn't make sense to me. How does supply contraints stop them from telling us their final or at least target specs.Oh fuck hope this shit is not true :
Unless even a 6 month delay can help them improve the final specs. I cant imagine that is the case.
Apollo Helios
Member
The speeds at which these fans operate pretty much nullifies the heat rising effect, at this point it is just based on not sucking in all the dust particles from the bottom but instead pulling in from the sides (fan being situated at the top) and/or directly from the top. For consoles, it is generally been the way that fans have been on the top of the board when they are horizontal.
PocoJoe
Banned
cards are like that because that is the standard orientation for mother boards. also size of heat sink + chassis + fan + their orientation must affect to the cooling efficiency. GPUs are thin and long/wide so it is different than cooling console that have different diameters.I think no or at least not so much influence. Because my graphics card is like this. The fan is under the mother board.
And almost every graphics card is the same ( I guess?)
But I have no technical data of how much it really affects or is it just a minuscule amount
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
I think no or at least not so much influence. Because my graphics card is like this. The fan is under the mother board.
And almost every graphics card is the same ( I guess?)
Do you know what, I just looked at my own, and the fans are on the bottom... I would have put money they were on the top. *twat mode engaged* (also glad I did because I didn't notice my rear fans connection had come out lol)
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GHG
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It's best to force cold air over the components that get hot during operation and then rely on air pressure physics to take care of the hot air being forced out of the case through the vents.
If you have a single exhaust fan then you end up with more air being sucked out of the case than entering it which is no-bueno. It's a guaranteed hotbox in that scenario.
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Mriverz
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/wccftech.com/nvidia-amd-graphics-cards-price-rising-graphics-dram-gddr6-supply/amp/
“There's nothing to worry right away as the GDDR6 stock is still doing good and we haven't really seen a price increase on consumer graphics cards so far. Samsung, SK Hynix, and Micron are also expected to grow their Graphics DRAM supply by 15% in 2020. So if things go smoothly, we might not even feel the impact of the shortages on graphics cards but you never know what's going to happen so once again” December 28
“There's nothing to worry right away as the GDDR6 stock is still doing good and we haven't really seen a price increase on consumer graphics cards so far. Samsung, SK Hynix, and Micron are also expected to grow their Graphics DRAM supply by 15% in 2020. So if things go smoothly, we might not even feel the impact of the shortages on graphics cards but you never know what's going to happen so once again” December 28
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it_wasn't_me
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So, it's 5th.....
....and nothing???
....and nothing???
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Apollo Helios
Member
Inside the case, gfx card manufacturers do not have to worry about the dust getting in, since pretty much any enthusiast grade case have good isolation. Also it has been the normal orientation of motherboards and PCI expansions to have space below the board of the said expansion. It is not a question of, if they can have space above their designated board, but how much down they can have it, like 2 spaces or 3? Is the gfx card a thicc boi or not basically.Do you know what, I just looked at my own, and the fans are on the bottom... I would have put money they were on the top. *twat mode engaged* (also glad I did because I didn't notice my rear fans connection had come out lol)
PaintTinJr
Member
There is plenty of time(IMHO), BUT only if they are prepared to go the two GPU route at major price hike or subsidy, and launch with games that don’t target the second GPU – because the sdk and software wouldn’t be ready in time. Sony could turn around a new motherboard design in enough time to be ready for mass production. It would all just be really, really risky – like PS3 type risky – so will be a non-option in reality, so your point would still be correct.
LED Guy?
Banned
11 hours till AMD’s event, we’ll see what they’ll reveal, maybe we get some new RDNA 2 info and maybe there’ll be something or new details about the PS5’s GPU....hopefully.
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Deleted member 775630
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Yeah, but December 28... That's not accurate anymore I would think.
ZywyPL
Banned
X1X also has the cooling flipped upside down and it works great there (despite having a vapor chamber, so the coolant drops down instead of sticking with top of the APU). And it works like that in every PC GPU as well. It's not an optimal design as mentioned with the vapor chamber example, but to a certain degree it will still work well, given the type and amount of heat dissipating material and the amount of airflow.
Batiman
Banned
Ok so you didn’t read my postHaha
First it was "oh but Cerny never said it had HW RT in the first Wired article." Then when he confirned it, people started with this "oh but Sony has never confirmed RDNA 2.0". And we have these github truthers going on constantly now. Wonder what the excuse will be if PS5 is more than 9.2 TF.
SleepDoctor
Banned
Oh fuck hope this shit is not true :
Oh look another "insider" who knows fuck all
MrJekyll16
Neo Member
It's 5 am on the east coast, and 2 am on the west coast in America. Sony Playstation resides on the west coast. It wouldn't any make sense for them to release any info at this time. If there is any news expect it around the same time as the AMD event.
Mriverz
Member
Correct. With the cornoavirus everything is far from smooth. Cant say its far fetched that to think luke was on to something about the delays and the supply concerns. Would also explain why so many insiders was betting on a feb reveal. But my only concern about that one is we would of heard something about it. >.>
maybe
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LED Guy?
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I wouldn’t say that he’s an insider, he has a huge YouTube channel which talks gaming and I doubt he is saying something to gain more publicity. It must mean something or maybe nothing.
“A little over a week ago” from March 5th, the day he wrote that tweet means it should have been revealed at the end of February, just like Kleegamefan said it.
Kleegamefan said there’ll be a February reveal of PS5 and then he warned that plans may change, it looks like they’ve changed their plans.
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BGs
Industry Professional
-The number allways is a joke.WAIT!
Do I understand that correctly? Cause you said...
Edit: Which I also noticed. From now on you actually wanted to bring hints every day. But suddenly you solved it.
BTW sick solution.
-The game was for fun.
-The gift was an avatar with the 13.8 number.
-The game is over early because my mailbox was saturanting and also because some users have told me (ryghtly) that it is not a good time to make games with riddles.
SleepDoctor
Banned
Im not expecting anything from amd. Hopefully im surprised by something tho when I check on here in the afternoon.
Ive been over the speculation and rumors. I wanna some games already so I can know what to expect by the holidays.
Playground show us Fable or I'd even like another "tech demo" like Ryse 2. Sony give us a new Killzone or even surprise us with a new Socom.
Ive been over the speculation and rumors. I wanna some games already so I can know what to expect by the holidays.
Playground show us Fable or I'd even like another "tech demo" like Ryse 2. Sony give us a new Killzone or even surprise us with a new Socom.
SleepDoctor
Banned
Around times like this everyone "knows" something. YouTube following means nothing, look at that moron colteast for example lol
Spreewaldgurke
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FeiRR
Banned
Most problems with cooling aren't because of air flow. You can't cheat basic physics so if you use air to cool something down, you need certain volume and flow rates. Does your console still work? So it's properly cooled. Is it a whiny bitch like my PS4Pro? The fan is operating at higher speed so it doesn't overheat (because then it shuts down to protect it from frying).
Most problems with cooling happen on the contact between the chip and the radiator. If it doesn't stick very, very tightly, you'll get air between them. Air is a good insulator (so it's bad in this case). To prevent that situation, thermal paste is used. But it may be badly applied (imagine some poor Chinese guy assembling his 50th console that day),, or it may wear over time. Another thing is dust and other particles inside the box and fan wear. I'm not sure if PS fans (I don't mean ponies here
are stock pieces you can buy easily.Anyway, I need to open my PS4 soon before hot days come, clean it, change the paste, maybe polish the radiator surface, check if the fan can be replaced... I don't recommend doing that on your own if you have no experience.
IR3TR0
Neo Member
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Cant be more honest than that man, respect.Well folks... Tonights the night... and its going to happen again, and again...
Remember what I said folks, keep your expectations in check, and if nothing comes of all this, I apologise. Could be anything. Could be nothing. Could be info on one system, or the other. Could be a load of hot air. I'm suited up just in case, and will greet you all with a smile (as your roasting me alive no doubt), and will not be doing a Fisher.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
I think saying “there will be a delay” at a time when everything is getting delayed, is a safe bet. I mean, I would take that bet, even. It makes sense.
For what it’s worth, I haven’t heard anything about a delay, from any side contact. I’ve heard troubles, I’ve heard issues, I’ve even been privy to the odd meltdown. But no delays. At this moment in time, I believe everything is smooth sailing.
But this is the sort of decision that won’t be made lightly, and I’m sad to say it but the developers will be the last people to know. They are way down the pecking order. If I hear anything I’ll pass it on to
Mod of War
and then hopefully to you guys, but as I said, right now, I only know what certain people know. It’s not like I have Phil Spencer on speed dial. Which is a shame, because I want to know where he buys his cool tshirts.
Phil, DM me G Gavavva , I know you’re reading this
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What part of 13.8 is realistic to you
For what it’s worth, I haven’t heard anything about a delay, from any side contact. I’ve heard troubles, I’ve heard issues, I’ve even been privy to the odd meltdown. But no delays. At this moment in time, I believe everything is smooth sailing.
But this is the sort of decision that won’t be made lightly, and I’m sad to say it but the developers will be the last people to know. They are way down the pecking order. If I hear anything I’ll pass it on to
Mod of War
and then hopefully to you guys, but as I said, right now, I only know what certain people know. It’s not like I have Phil Spencer on speed dial. Which is a shame, because I want to know where he buys his cool tshirts.Phil, DM me G Gavavva , I know you’re reading this
❤What part of 13.8 is realistic to you
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M.Night Shyamalan
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Supply chain issues.. It could be Sony uses PS4 launch trajectory to determine how many units they would need for launch and realize they may not make it. MS knows their console demand wont be as high as Sony, can launch without the stress of having enough supply of Series X for whichever territories they want to.
Would be better for Sony to rather launch in main territories and stagger their launch in other markets, rather than an outright delay PS5 for a later worldwide launch.
Im sure they know this too. I don't believe this rumor.
Would be better for Sony to rather launch in main territories and stagger their launch in other markets, rather than an outright delay PS5 for a later worldwide launch.
Im sure they know this too. I don't believe this rumor.
Sosokrates
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I believe something "unplanned" has happened at playstation, likely Corona related.
Sony doing 2 wired articles , then nothing since Oct 2019 apart from a logo. considering that Xbox has been rather loud this is strange behaviour, people just need to accept this.
Sony doing 2 wired articles , then nothing since Oct 2019 apart from a logo. considering that Xbox has been rather loud this is strange behaviour, people just need to accept this.
LED Guy?
Banned
Yeah I know but to Colt’s credit (even though he’s one of the biggest Xbox fanboys out there pushing lies and misinformation), but he did have the 12 TFLOPS RDNA for Xbox Series X days before the Windows Central article was published to be honest.
I don’t think a guy like Luke would be saying something like that for clout, but hey, maybe his “old pal” that he mentioned was BSing him, but it just raised my eyebrows, because it lines up with what Klee had, but carry on.
SleepDoctor
Banned
What part of 13.8 is realistic to you
If there's one thing "Tommy" taught us, it was who fanboys are lol. People were celebrating and taking his word as gospel
DrDamn
Member
They had already said they couldn't actually give out real numbers, so it was never going to be the proper TF number. Just something to pass our time whilst we wait for official info.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
I guess I do not follow the logic points below:
1) Sony delays the reveal of the system over supply chain concerns:
Why does this matter towards the reveal? Show games, talk about what the system is to whatever degree. Anything specific is gravy. It’s only an issue if they are going to definitely begin preorders right after.
2) News will come today during/after AMD conference:
Why would Sony good back info until after this. Xbox announced their GPU specs already. Why would AMD hold Sony up from the same? That doesn’t make sense. I don’t think one thing has anything to do with the other.
1) Sony delays the reveal of the system over supply chain concerns:
Why does this matter towards the reveal? Show games, talk about what the system is to whatever degree. Anything specific is gravy. It’s only an issue if they are going to definitely begin preorders right after.
2) News will come today during/after AMD conference:
Why would Sony good back info until after this. Xbox announced their GPU specs already. Why would AMD hold Sony up from the same? That doesn’t make sense. I don’t think one thing has anything to do with the other.
SleepDoctor
Banned
I'd mark it up to a lucky guess. Every fanboy runs with the rumor that better fits their narrative, in this case xbox fanboy. He wasn't going to run with the bad rumors.
BGs
Industry Professional
No.
The only joke is the 13.8 number.
It's very simple.
I one day put an EXAMPLE.
That example some users made a funny joke or misrepresentation.
I joined that joke with some users.
Based on that joke, using a real Gif (which I did to expose a real thought) I asked if they wanted to play a game, the game of guessing a nunver that was in that gif.
The game is not a joke, it is a game, wich some have wanted to play, and aspired to a real prize, a bullshit prize, but real. 13.8 is the answer, but it means nothing, just as it didn't mean anything the first time I wrote it.
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
Ah NOW I totally understand.Play it on "Give Me God of War" difficulty and your shit gonna get squeezed hard like spaghetti! The most complete games ever made, Perfect gameplay, graphics, story-telling.
By the way, Marco Polo brought macaroni from my region (Dhofar/Dhulfar) back in 1285 AD. The local dish is known as "Atreyah" but wrote as "Ittriya" in Italian books, and it's a dessert cooked with brown sugar and coconut. We learned the method though from China, indeed. So we share some history together
Sosokrates
Report me if I continue to console war
The demand for xsx/xss will still be very high. The Xbox one sold 1 million units in the first 24hrs, and 2million after 18 days and that was when it was still $499 and after all the terrible PR it had.
The demand for xsx/xss will be much higher.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Do you know what, I just looked at my own, and the fans are on the bottom... I would have put money they were on the top. *twat mode engaged* (also glad I did because I didn't notice my rear fans connection had come out lol)
Same shit:
Actually, I went more with the method of cool air coming from the bottom instead of hot air going up. Having fans pushing upwards is critical for NVMe m.2 SSD's which are hot in general and my main concern. Don't forget to peal off the sticker that comes on it as well. Power supply is up and most of the time its fan is shut down (turns on when needed) which is a good indication of good/cool airflow, I guess.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Sadly, it’s the human condition. If you want something to be real so badly, you will blindly follow those that believe the same thing, and ignore common sense warning signs that prove the contrary.
It happens in all walks of life, and there are no sides... We all fall victim to it eventually.
Bo_Hazem
it needs more fans, I can see some dark in the bottom left corner 
(I have five case fans myself, still not enough forme!)
It happens in all walks of life, and there are no sides... We all fall victim to it eventually.
Bo_Hazem
it needs more fans, I can see some dark in the bottom left corner (I have five case fans myself, still not enough forme!)
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SSfox
Member
I'll be honest, i expected all along PS5 will be 8-9TF, mostly because i know that Sony want to hit that 399$ and they may do some power sacrifices if they want to hit that target, but what make though recently that it may not be the case are few things:
- Devs saying PS5 and XSX are very close in power and performances.
- Sony equipping PS5 with an expansive/lavish Fan cooling
- Based BGs saying, it will be at least 10 TF.
- Tommy Fisher, yeah the screens could be fake, but he was 100% right about Xbox specs, and was the only insisting on the RDNA2.
- Devs saying PS5 and XSX are very close in power and performances.
- Sony equipping PS5 with an expansive/lavish Fan cooling
- Based BGs saying, it will be at least 10 TF.
- Tommy Fisher, yeah the screens could be fake, but he was 100% right about Xbox specs, and was the only insisting on the RDNA2.
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