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[Kumomeme]

Has this been posted yet? Hermen Hulst Q&A: Interview with Head of PlayStation’s Worldwide Studios
He clearly states that publishing all Sony titles on PC isn't going to be the policy. He also confirms that Sony's going to continue their policy of focusing on SP story-driven games with a bit of experimenting, so basically the same thing they've been successful with this gen. Also cuts a lot of doom and gloom. See, Bo_Hazem don't worry. The future is bright! We're all going to die BUT while playing post-apo walking sims with 11 pigeon power graphics!


It was the same on PC. I played the game there first but it was a terrible port and performed badly even though I had a powerful desktop. Then I got a PS2 for God of War and I was amazed how SoL worked on it, too.

Thats what they should do..and thats is ms mistake...its fine to release your game on other platform but dont release all of it...need to have titles that stayed exclusive to add value to the platform..or atleast having timed exclusive. Exclusives been one of main factor of driving sales. People buy console to play game at first place.

 

[xiaoming10086]

Has this been posted yet? Hermen Hulst Q&A: Interview with Head of PlayStation’s Worldwide Studios
He clearly states that publishing all Sony titles on PC isn't going to be the policy. He also confirms that Sony's going to continue their policy of focusing on SP story-driven games with a bit of experimenting, so basically the same thing they've been successful with this gen. Also cuts a lot of doom and gloom. See, Bo_Hazem don't worry. The future is bright! We're all going to die BUT while playing post-apo walking sims with 11 pigeon power graphics!


It was the same on PC. I played the game there first but it was a terrible port and performed badly even though I had a powerful desktop. Then I got a PS2 for God of War and I was amazed how SoL worked on it, too.

I think they just want the PC gamers to try HZD, when PC gamers play HZD and fall in love with it...
BOOM HZD2 ONLY ON PLAYSTATION.

 

[FranXico]

I think they just want the PC gamers to try HZD, when PC gamers play HZD and fall in love with it...
BOOM HZD2 ONLY ON PLAYSTATION.

If that's Sony's plan, it won't work out for them. PC gamers are patient and many have many years worth of backlog anyway. They'll just wait for HZD2 to come out on PC too. And mod HZD while they"re at it.

 

[hemo memo]

What's the next big scheduled date? It seems everything is getting cancelled. First GDC, now E3.

Next to be canceled is TGS which is the only confirmation of a PS5 showing. Then everyone freaks out.

 

[xiaoming10086]

If that's Sony's plan, it won't work out for them. PC gamers are patient and many have many years worth of backlog anyway. They'll just wait for HZD2 to come out on PC too. And mod HZD while they"re at it.

Actually I was a PC gamer myself and I couldn't stand that GTA5 ain't avaliable until 2014, so I bought a PS4

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Sorry but I just saw this reply on the official Horizon twitter post about it coming to PC and loved it:



But this one was pure cringe:

It is a very bad move, they will feel the burn. As stated previously, Sony needs more Japanese people at the helm to redirect the company again to its original roots that lead to decades of success.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

A few confirmed cases in my local area and a death now, and it wasn’t an old bloke this time... Scary. I don’t care about myself, but fear for my daughter getting sick.

Oh and, just to show you how thick as pig shit Telford is where I live, the toilet roll isles are all stripped... But the kitchen roll isles are fully stocked.

 

[OmegaSpear]

I hope HZD does well on the PC so that they can port more games to the PC. I don't get why some Playstation fans are melting down at the moment.

 

[xiaoming10086]

A few confirmed cases in my local area and a death now, and it wasn’t an old bloke this time... Scary. I don’t care about myself, but fear for my daughter getting sick.

Oh and, just to show you how thick as pig shit Telford is where I live, the toilet roll isles are all stripped... But the kitchen roll isles are fully stocked.

No, do care yourself if you don't want you daughter get sick. Here in China, many people got sick and unware of it, that result in their whole family to get Infected.

 

[Kumomeme]

Wiping your butt isnt bad if you wash your hands.

Shitting on streets, eating from streets, dumping waste to rivers, food markets without cold rooms etc etc = big parts of asia is just fucked up badly.

Not Japan, Taiwan, south-korea but india seems to be a shithole of savage people and that is already +1 billion people. And then China...

its not about you wash your hand or not..there already tons of scientific research show that using water is the best way.

i dare to say that not all asia like that...shitting on streets mostly at india and those tourist from china..even others asian country detest them and having cultural shock when visit the country. Also whats problem eating from streets? there street stalls available almost everywhere...or i just misunderstood there. India not represent asia though..that one of country that had serious poor citizen problem...also china, singapore, thailand, japan, saudi arabia etc...

thats why i said...we cannot compare all country equally..even among development country in asia..there those who worst than others...this kind of things usually determined how the citizen mentality, attitude and infrastructure..india for example doesnt even have enough public toilet and their people just shitting wherever they want comparing to advanced country like japan. And dont lump all asia just like that..others asians too, detest that kind of culture..we hate when these people come to our country and bring their 'culture' here. But its like i said again..this is resulted the differences of development country and advance country. Even in india, there differences of attitude and culture depend on which part it is. Those who on city, had better environment had different attitude...also who shitting on streets usually from different caste ( yes, india did have caste system). Likehow poor kid at rural area vs rich kid at modern city behave. Not simple because different race vs other race. Ofcourse, not everyone always be like that. Not all asians like that and some country currently slowly gain senses as their country improving.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Awww we are all family my son is half polish

One of my aunts is Polish, already told him in PM We ARE a big family then.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

No, do care yourself if you don't want you daughter get sick. Here in China, many people got sick and unware of it, that result in their whole family to get Infected.

Sorry if what I said didn’t come over accurate, I understand that to care about her means I MUST care about my own health. But what I meant was as long as she’s ok, she’s my priority. And our schools are wide open, everything is normal in the country, and nothing has been put in place at all. It’s embarrassing. But... heaven forbid any company loses some money...

 

[KURDISTAN YPG]

ANY NEWS?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I'm not here for leaking shit. I did that and look where it got me.

.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

That's not backpedaling to me. That's called my source wasn't really sure and gave me conflicting statements. So what? You should be glad you are getting any info at all compared to what Sony has spoken (i.e. which is zilch) There ARE two SKUs.. that part is for certain. What they have or when they come out is anybody's guess - including the sources that I know.

Hmmm, Sony did say PS4 Pro was like testing ground almost insinuating that a multiple console launch would happen. But its anyone's guess if it'd happen at launch or follow the mid gen upgrade as they did with PS4.

 

[lepermessiah]

The current emu is called rpcs3 and has a little over 50% games compatibility, which means fully playable. But the specs to run the emulator are high usually.



As previously mentioned the way EE was designed is basically a precursor to CELL. EE is a superscalar MIPS, 2 vector units (miniature CELL ) and something called Image Processing Unit (!).

Ahh yes that Emotion Engine. Nice. What did it do though specifically that the Xbox and 'Cube couldn't do?

 

[kareemna]

Ahh yes that Emotion Engine. Nice. What did it do though specifically that the Xbox and 'Cube couldn't do?

I think it had highest floating point calculations of the 3 at around 6.2 GFLOPS? don't remember it had anything it could and the competing consoles couldn't.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Remember guys, don't be a loyal to any brand, don't defend them, don't get insulted because of them & don't waste your time trying to damage control for them, whether it's Sony or MS or any other brand.

These giants companies don't give a fuck about your feelings, now or later they will bite you in the ass, so please stop fighting over them.

For example, today Sony bite alot of fanboy's asses & mark my words they will bite you more and more going forward lol

My ass is stainless steel, won't hurt my fanboyism

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

Damn am I fucking going to have to wait until summer to hear about PS5? I actually will lose the will to go on.

and why? I get everyone of us are stoked to hear about PS5. But is your patience really being tested when there are amazing games both exclusives and third party that are due for release this month, April, May, June until we hear from Sony on PS5?

 

[bitbydeath]

Do Not Quote me and do not take this as fact.

Buy what I heard second rumor and whispers. The original Lockheart plans was supposed to be discless and a streaming console hybrid. Think Half Google Stadia mets Xbox One X. Even Heard Whispers it could be Google Stadia Mets Xbox One X and maybe portable also.

But these are very Old rumors and Second Hand Whispers. So I have no clue how factual they where or are.

Said it before but I think there is a very good chance that Lockhart is Project xCloud.
It would explain why nobody has spoke of it yet and why AMD pointed to xCloud as hardware they're working on.

 

[Physiognomonics]

I don’t think Oberon got to an E revision actually. That was just Komachi guessing. We’re probably at C right now.

No he actually has access to data he doesn't want to disclose, only some bits here and there in order to get attention (and he regretted divulged the E revision as he later deleted his tweet). He must have seen the E, it's the only way to know about a new stepping. But, Yes, I think it's actually the third model of Oberon and they called it E instead of C. Somehow.

 

[Darius87]

Yea obviously lol. The power of the consoles is irrelevant since PC is always king.

king of overpriced hardware, nothing more.

 

[pasterpl]

Said it before but I think there is a very good chance that Lockhart is Project xCloud.
It would explain why nobody has spoke of it yet and why AMD pointed to xCloud as hardware they're working on.

would be interesting indeed, a local hardware allowing you play games at 1080p and supporting 4K games streaming, if they would hit 199 usd price tag with game pass it would definitely be interesting proposition for casuals. at this price point it would have to be 4tf as per some rumour.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Sony's error message

 

[Pjero]

Yeah the ps2 was quite a sophisticated piece of kit for its time, despite og Xbox and Gamecube being stronger overall, didn't the ps2 still have some specific advantage in certain areas? I'm trying to recall, I remember the Sons of Liberty port on the Xbox was inferior visually compared to the ps2 version.

PS2 was really a beast. The EE had two very powerful Vector Processing Units (the T&L was done by the CPU --> higher clock than GPU). The GS had a peak pixel fill rate of 2.352 gigapixel/s and a bandwidth of 48GB/sec. Of course the system had weaknesses (no real texture compression, only 1,2GB/sec EE<-->GS bus, fill rate cut in half for each texture layer, etc.). Imho the main strengths were the high polygon output (I was really impressed with the detailed fighters in TTT and the huge draw distance in games like J&D and R&C) and particle effects (MGS2 rain, explosions in Zoe 1&2). Sony went for massive floating point performance, massive bandwidth, massive peak fill rate and polygon rates. but sacrificed efficiency and ease of programmability (just remember the image quality at the beginning).

Of course the same thing can be applied in reverse. (GCN-->PS2, RE4 conversion with 'muddy' textures and missing effects).

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Edit: How do they build shit on PS4? Is it motion controls? Do you need the camera?

The controller's motion is pretty good, really, just put some pillow underneath you arms/hands for percision.

 

[Koopatrol]

Shamelessly stolen from Era, it seems there is further evidence in the Github file that Oberon is Navi 10:

./study-master/send_qian0605/Oberon_COM_native_75_0605/tgl_fill_mrt3_w_64_dccon/tgl_fill_mrt3_w_64_dccon_sim.ini:-gc_ini="gus.oberon.ini gcea.oberon.ini gcutcl2.ini gc_ea_default.ini gc_perf.ini gus.navi10.ini gc_perf_oberon.ini gcea.oberon.ini gc_ea_gddr6_1750MHz_2GB_2GB1Cs_16b_BankGroupEn0_RecEn_perf.gfxclk2000.oberon.ini"

I know, I know. I probably shouldn't bring up anything related to Github in this thread again, but hopefully this just shows to some other people that the information found in Github as it relates to the final PS5 is highly questionable.

In other news, it seems like the coronavirus is getting really bad. It sucks E3 was cancelled, but it was definitely for the best. Here's to hoping that the situation doesn't get much worse. And of course, that we get our consoles this year

 

[Bogroll]

we asians laughing at westerns who use tissue to wipe butt all this time

also, its not simply because of cultural differences.... lot of asian country not advance as those who at western 'world' ..there lot of development country and even there those who struggle to catch up to each others and obviously thats speak the differences of mentality and attitude also insfrastructure..its not fair to compare things like that..

Nothing to do with being fair, that's just how it is at this moment in time

 

[Physiognomonics]

Shamelessly stolen from Era, it seems there is further evidence in the Github file that Oberon is Navi 10:

No. It's Oberon running regression tests using Navi10 (Ariel) configurations.

 

[Farrell55]

Ahh yes that Emotion Engine. Nice. What did it do though specifically that the Xbox and 'Cube couldn't do?

Ps2 was a Beast at Particles & Vector Triangles because of the insane bandwith it hat for the Time (40GB/s)

But everything else OG Xbox and GameCube has the edge!

 

[kareemna]

PS2 was really a beast. The EE had two very powerful Vector Processing Units (the T&L was done by the CPU --> higher clock than GPU). The GS had a peak pixel fill rate of 2.352 gigapixel/s and a bandwidth of 48GB/sec. Of course the system had weaknesses (no real texture compression, only 1,2GB/sec EE<-->GS bus, fill rate cut in half for each texture layer, etc.). Imho the main strengths were the high polygon output (I was really impressed with the detailed fighters in TTT and the huge draw distance in games like J&D and R&C) and particle effects (MGS2 rain, explosions in Zoe 1&2). Sony went for massive floating point performance, massive bandwidth, massive peak fill rate and polygon rates. but sacrificed efficiency and ease of programmability (just remember the image quality at the beginning).

Of course the same thing can be applied in reverse. (GCN-->PS2, RE4 conversion with 'muddy' textures and missing effects).

The high bandwidth (at the time) was for the 4 MB EDRAM.

 

[Moses85]

Ps2 was a Beast at Particles & Vector Triangles because of the insane bandwith it hat for the Time (40GB/s)

But everything else OG Xbox and GameCube has the edge!

Yes, because they launched later.

 

[YodaBB]

Oh and, just to show you how thick as pig shit Telford is where I live, the toilet roll isles are all stripped... But the kitchen roll isles are fully stocked.

PSA Don't flush kitchen rolls down the toilet kids, or you will block the shit out of them (literally).

 

[PaintTinJr]

Ps2 was a Beast at Particles & Vector Triangles because of the insane bandwith it hat for the Time (40GB/s)

But everything else OG Xbox and GameCube has the edge!

AFAIK the PS2 was also far more flexible for shader programming - despite the assembly interface - which was only emerging in Opengl extensions (IIRC) and low level nvidia CG, and the EE was also flexible enough to be used for geometry shaing - had there been a need, it was maybe used in a game. It also had a 32bit zbuffer as opposed to xbox's w-buffer or the cube's use of 24 and 16bit ATI early z tech. Monekyball 2(flight target 2) on cube, or deluxe on ps2, xbox really shows the strengths and drawbacks of each console's hardware IMHO.

 

[Pjero]

The high bandwidth (at the time) was for the 4 MB EDRAM.

Of course...

Main memory<--3.2GB/sec-->EE<--1.2GB/sec-->GS<--48GB/sec-->EDRAM

 

[Kumomeme]

Nothing to do with being fair, that's just how it is at this moment in time

itseems people doesnt get what i actually want to said...but nevermind

to be fair, lot of westerners that come to my country not actually much different either

 

[Farrell55]

AFAIK the PS2 was also far more flexible for shader programming - despite the assembly interface - which was only emerging in Opengl extensions (IIRC) and low level nvidia CG, and the EE was also flexible enough to be used for geometry shaing - had there been a need, it was maybe used in a game. It also had a 32bit zbuffer as opposed to xbox's w-buffer or the cube's use of 24 and 16bit ATI early z tech. Monekyball 2(flight target 2) on cube, or deluxe on ps2, xbox really shows the strengths and drawbacks of each console's hardware IMHO.

Yep right! Hard to Programm for but with the Flexibility many Dev's have emulated certain effects (motion blur for example) that the Hardware actually wasnt capable off

 

[Farrell55]

Of course...

Main memory<--3.2GB/sec-->EE<--1.2GB/sec-->GS<--48GB/sec-->EDRAM

The edram was mainly used for the framebuffer

Textures where Stored in the 32mb mainram who has also a descent speed for the time

 

[PaintTinJr]

Yep right! Hard to Programm for but with the Flexibility many Dev's have emulated certain effects (motion blur for example) that the Hardware actually wasnt capable off

I was thinking like the SotC fur rendering. I'm not sure Nintendo or Microsoft consoles had that shader capability until the following generation.

 

[Shio]

This is the 1337 page, surely news will be revealed on this page /s

 

[Gudji]

You can just treat me like any other normal gamer on these boards from here on.

Pretty sure that's what people have been doing for years now.

 

[Evilms]

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

Do those PS3 light stick things work on PC?

Edit: How do they build shit on PS4? Is it motion controls? Do you need the camera?

You can do everything with the controller, of course the motion controls are better anyway.

 

[husomc]

so do we think AMD's RT solution uses regular CUs that are basically reserved?

mhh... that to me sounds like a way less sophisticated way than what Nvidia is doing tho. right?
because that makes it seem like there actually is no dedicated RT hardware and AMD is literally just reserving resources for RT instead if giving their GPUs additional hardware to offload the workload

couldn't raytracing work like more dedicated version of the async compute engines of the PS4?

 

[lepermessiah]

PS2 was really a beast. The EE had two very powerful Vector Processing Units (the T&L was done by the CPU --> higher clock than GPU). The GS had a peak pixel fill rate of 2.352 gigapixel/s and a bandwidth of 48GB/sec. Of course the system had weaknesses (no real texture compression, only 1,2GB/sec EE<-->GS bus, fill rate cut in half for each texture layer, etc.). Imho the main strengths were the high polygon output (I was really impressed with the detailed fighters in TTT and the huge draw distance in games like J&D and R&C) and particle effects (MGS2 rain, explosions in Zoe 1&2). Sony went for massive floating point performance, massive bandwidth, massive peak fill rate and polygon rates. but sacrificed efficiency and ease of programmability (just remember the image quality at the beginning).

Of course the same thing can be applied in reverse. (GCN-->PS2, RE4 conversion with 'muddy' textures and missing effects).

Cheers for that, yes I was thinking it had some crazy polygonal grunt. The rain effects in Sons of Liberty for example were a good demonstration of its capabilities.

 

[kareemna]

The edram was mainly used for the framebuffer

Textures where Stored in the 32mb mainram who has also a descent speed for the time

It used RDRAM which is Rambus tech and its next version XDR RAM was utilized in the PS3 256 MB system memory. Interesting stuff! Ken

 

[kareemna]

Cheers for that, yes I was thinking it had some crazy polygonal grunt. The rain effects in Sons of Liberty for example were a good demonstration of its capabilities.

A retrospect treat was given about it by DF! D dark10x

 

[M-V2]

Really? Even with all their backpedaling? If you're bitter about 'soon', remember MS is the one coming from a disastrous gen, they must fire all cilinders about their next gen.

I responded to the guy earlier he almost answered the same as you, I was talking about games not hardware, read what I typed above instead of being defensive

 

[joe_zazen]

A few confirmed cases in my local area and a death now, and it wasn’t an old bloke this time... Scary. I don’t care about myself, but fear for my daughter getting sick.

Oh and, just to show you how thick as pig shit Telford is where I live, the toilet roll isles are all stripped... But the kitchen roll isles are fully stocked.

dont use kitchen paper toe in toilet unless u are renting.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

dont use kitchen paper toe in toilet unless u are renting.

Obviously not, lol.

But people are not buying toilet roll in bulk because of a sudden out break of the shits, is my point Likewise, all the boxes of tissues are stocked up on the shelves as well.

It’s almost like they have seen this mad rush for loo roll and have just gone and bought it all without understanding what people are actually buying it for.

People are even fighting over it. It’s madness.

The real kicker is we were going to buy a load today to take it around the local OAP housing, incase they didn’t have any or couldn’t get out. But we can’t find any, because single parent Sharron with no job and 7 kids to 9 different fathers has bought it all...