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[Insane Metal]

For anyone thinking this is not anything more than a flu... there it is.

This year will be in future history books. I expect a bad recession and unemployment in the following months. And I'll keep hopes for a vaccine as soon as possible.

Goddamn it.

 

[Matreios Raven]

Well damn, if Cartmanbrah said it then it's game over.

So this means PS5 is closer to the 9.2 number?

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Travel just suspended from Europe to America and the NBA now officially having games in empty arenas starting with the golden state vs Brooklyn game. State of emergency declared in several states and world health organization just classified this as a worldwide pandemic.

Thought is was already a WW pandemic .
Man some countries just handled this whole fucking thing like it's a joke.

 

[ethomaz]

For anyone thinking this is not anything more than a flu... there it is.

This year will be in future history books. I expect a bad recession and unemployment in the following months. And I'll keep hopes for a vaccine as soon as possible.

Goddamn it.

Coronavirus since beginning have worst stats than Flu.
It was just people trying to say it was nothing lol

 

[DeepEnigma]

I dunno maybe he’s backpedaling because everyone’s calling him out? I didn’t believe that MLB video either until he defended that attitude on era until I think he was banned. All his other posts and tweets line up with his attitude as well. Unless he’s been trolling for years.

Eh, he was an attention seeker. Nothing more. Trolling for clicks.

 

[devilNprada]

When it comes to the UFO cover up, I stand by my comments. The evidence is overwhelming and anyone who does not recognize that is either ignorant or a shilling troll.

Sony secret sauce = alien technology confirmed

 

[MARTYWOLF]

I wouldn't post on the ERA site for a million dollars.

Well aren't you silly. That would get you all the consoles and a new couch maybe

 

[tflopsmatter]

you realize that even at 11TF the generational leap would be the biggest and greatest leap we have seen in a long time?

I would say this leap would be bigger then 360/PS3 leap.

No it would not be. How can you say that? The TF numbers don't add up. With an eleven TF GPU the PS5 would not even be a generational leap at all. The PS4 would have had a higher multiple of TFs over the PS3. The facts are not on your side.

An eleven TF GPU in the PS5 would make it the least increase in processing power yet.

Also, we need even greater leaps in TF to make up for the fact that we are entering the uncanny valley, utilizing crazy resolutions, and producing VR games.

 

[tflopsmatter]

Sony secret sauce = alien technology confirmed

I did not say that. Why would you mock me in such a way?

There's no "alien technology" in the PS5, but I suspect that by the time the PS6 comes out it will be using some.

 

[ethomaz]

69 confirmed cases in Brasil.
Coronavirus.

 

[Sinthor]

No it would not be. How can you say that? The TF numbers don't add up. With an eleven TF GPU the PS5 would not even be a generational leap at all. The PS4 would have had a higher multiple of TFs over the PS3. The facts are not on your side.

An eleven TF GPU in the PS5 would make it the least increase in processing power yet.

Also, we need even greater leaps in TF to make up for the fact that we are entering the uncanny valley, utilizing crazy resolutions, and producing VR games.

So what do you call going from 6 to 12TF then? Not a generational leap for Microsoft either? I think looking at this by simple numbers (like comparing '6' to '12') is not the right way to look at it. That's a LOT of instructions per second being processed!

 

[tflopsmatter]

Well aren't you silly. That would get you all the consoles and a new couch maybe

I made a promise to myself not long ago that I won't associate with liberal social justice warrior freaks anymore. I've realized that they are horrible, irrational people with no sense of right and wrong. ERA isn't a video game forum but a place for brainwashed socialists/communists to hang out and attack anyone that doesn't exactly conform to their belief structure. To be honest, I'm scared that if I get a PS5 that most of the games will have been made by liberals. I really don't want to be playing games that push their sickening ideas.

 

[JMB88]

It does mean a lot. If you are going to pay for a new console it should be a true generational leap beyond it's previous version. Every previous playstation has been a significant leap over the previous one and this must continue especially due to the fact that we are entering the uncanny valley, we are using VR which uses a ton of resources, etc. Also, you seem to forget almost like everyone else that EVERY console generation has had a VAST improvement in efficiency. The PS5 won't have a greater efficiency leap than the PS4 did over the PS3. So the only way to measure the improvement is via TFLOPS. That's why TFLOPS matter. And if the TFLOP rating doesn't show a true generational leap, then consumers will just wait for the next generation of consoles. This is especially true since there could be a PS5 Pro on the way.

Personally, I wouldn't think about buying a console that didn't have least 7-8 (or even better ten) times the TF of the previous version. And there are a LOT of other people who feel the same way. The SDD and raytracing hardware (which will consume even mroe resources) won't change the fact that anything less than a 12 TF PS5 would be a piece of junk that no one should purchase. This is especially true since even MORE games will be pushing for 4K graphics which in my opinion is mostly a WASTE.

I don't know if you're being sarcastic. But anyone with a little intelligence knows how to recognize what a marketing campaign is and what ends up being real.

MS is concentrating all its marketing on the TFs (surely because it has a slight advantage) and Sony's marketing is concentrating on the SSD (exactly the same applies as before).

It doesn't make sense to say that due to a slight difference in tf or ssd, consoles that have less of this are garbage.


Consoles are much more than a single component, and surely the one that is more balanced in all those aspects is the one that will have a better performance. But don't be fooled, you probably already know this and:

1- you are participating in a campaign for a company

or

2- you must be the delight of any marketing manager.

 

[tflopsmatter]

So what do you call going from 6 to 12TF then? Not a generational leap for Microsoft either? I think looking at this by simple numbers (like comparing '6' to '12') is not the right way to look at it. That's a LOT of instructions per second being processed!

To be specific, the XBox One X wasn't a new console but an improvement on the XBox One S. The XBox One S had 1.5TF so a 12TF console would have eight times the TF making it a true generational leap. The PS5 has to do even better since the PS4 had 1.84TF.

Looking at these numbers is the ONLY way to rate these consoles because every generation gets all sorts of other improvements.

 

[WhispersintheWind]

No it would not be. How can you say that? The TF numbers don't add up. With an eleven TF GPU the PS5 would not even be a generational leap at all. The PS4 would have had a higher multiple of TFs over the PS3. The facts are not on your side.

An eleven TF GPU in the PS5 would make it the least increase in processing power yet.

Also, we need even greater leaps in TF to make up for the fact that we are entering the uncanny valley, utilizing crazy resolutions, and producing VR games.

TF Numbers don’t tell the whole story. That is like saying 100 inch 1080p a plasma tv is better then a 65 Inch Oled 4K HDR TV. Just because the screen is bigger.

I know you are trolling. Just do it in a more intelligent way.

 

[Sosokrates]

We know they’re both Navi 2 which puts them in a close ballpark to one another. That was confirmed by AMD.

RDNA2 is just the architecture the power levels will still be dictated by the cu count and clockspeed of there GPUs.

 

[thismeinteil]

We’ll be okay.

And if they discover that Corona Virus can be transferred electronically through forums? What then?

 

[Burrito Bandito]

I don't believe the PS5 will be anything less than 12.6TF so that it can be at least three times the Tflops of the PS4 Pro. It would have been ridiculous for Sony to set a target lower than that. I also think that most likely it will have over thirteen TF. I'm sick and tired of the cynics that have been low balling the power of these systems since the start. It is almost as if there are people who want them to be as weak as possible. Are they social justice warriors that simply want them weak so they will consume fewer ratts and produce less environmental damage?

it all comes down to target PRICE. this goes above Cerny and the engineers, its corporate. We have legitimate reason to believe it was targeting $399, with recent component price increases making it $450.

You dont get 12.4 tflops by targeting $399. You get 9.2

 

[OsirisBlack]

NBA season suspended

 

[CyberPanda]

NBA suspended? Nothing of value was lost.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

NBA season suspended

The guy who tested positive in the NBA

 

[siekro1983]

life is over as we know it.

 

[tflopsmatter]

I don't know if you're being sarcastic. But anyone with a little intelligence knows how to recognize what a marketing campaign is and what ends up being real.

MS is concentrating all its marketing on the TFs (surely because it has a slight advantage) and Sony's marketing is concentrating on the SSD (exactly the same applies as before).

It doesn't make sense to say that due to a slight difference in tf or ssd, consoles that have less of this are garbage.


Consoles are much more than a single component, and surely the one that is more balanced in all those aspects is the one that will have a better performance. But don't be fooled, you probably already know this and:

1- you are participating in a campaign for a company

or

2- you must be the delight of any marketing manager.

If a console is not a true generational leap which is measured in TF then it's garbage and not worth buying. The new XBox is a generational leap and I expect the new Playstation to be one as well. Everything else is secondary. If the TF number isn't at least seven to ten times the previous generation, then I wouldn't buy it regardless of any other factor. What people can't realize is that EVERY generation gets a massive increase in efficiency and various features. Some people are drooling over the RDNA and claiming that having a new architecture makes it okay for the PS5 to not even have ten TF. But the reality is that the PS4 had an insanely more efficient GPU than the RSX because it had unified shaders. Then consider all the features the PS3 had compared to the PS2.

The only way to compare one generation to another is with the TF number.

 

[Kumomeme]

The avg life span of a console is 6-10 years, usually 7 before the next gen is released. How well would you think 9.2 would hold up over that time. Tech leaps multiple times over itself if increasing intervals in terms of what it is capable of computing. I don’t know how well 9.2 would hold up over the next 7 years. If I am asked to pick 9.2 or 12 TF machine assuming prices are reasonably similar, I buy the more powerful every single time. If they’re close enough in power and price, that changes my thought process dramatically. I want to believe Sony will put out a competitive similarly spec machine.

ideal lifecycle is 5 years ...usually around 5-7 years..last gen we had for over 7 years..but this gen we get midgen refresh so it might extended a little.
around 8 years ps360 and that time there lot of complaint from devs how console's outdated specs held up tech advancement

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

The NBA just suspended its season until further notice because Rudy Gobert tested positive to the virus

 

[bitbydeath]

RDNA2 is just the architecture the power levels will still be dictated by the cu count and clockspeed of there GPUs.

Navi 2X is a specific type of GPUs
Which starts with the 5800.

 

[Dane]

and your point is?

"pigs could fly if they would have wings!"

It have always been like this:

xbox is serious competitor at USA / UK, but on the rest of the world playstation have always dominated.

ps3 vs 360 is more like "sony fucked up and still won the gen" situation.

Playstation as brand is just multiple times stronger than xbox, so if Sony doesnt really fuck things up, there is almost zero chance for xbox to win, because they can seriously compete only at usa/uk.

I guess it isnt that clear for people that live on usa, because there are probably more marketing and media attention for xbox.

Here at Finland I dont even remember when I have seen xbox advertising, or Nintendo. It is mostly just Sony ads.

I know only one person that owns an xbox one and he just laughs how shitty it is, while almost all my friends own playstation(s)

Also stores sell mostly sony stuff, xbox/nintendo area is like 20-30% of sony area.

tl:dr xbox have zero chance to beat Sony outside of usa/uk

And my point is exactly what I and you told, the PS3 surpassed because of Europe as the Xbox brand never got a huge marketing and image over there, marketing was also the tool that led the huge PS4 advantage over the Xbox One.

 

[Mod of War]

And if they discover that Corona Virus can be transferred electronically through forums? What then?

We go Code C.

 

[TLZ]

The only thing might be good out of coronavirus is cancelling this year's EPL

Bahahaha. That's exactly what my diehard United friend wishes

Oh how fantastic would it be if Liverpool never wins it!

 

[TheAmazingSpiderMan]

Just heard Tom Hanks has been tested positive for corona virus

 

[Koopatrol]

With NBA being officially suspended, yeah... who the hell knows what will happen with consoles this year. It really puts things into perspective. I won't be expecting PS5 news for quite some time now. Sony will probably update us with coronavirus news before PS5's specific details are revealed.

Well, at least the Clippers eliminated the Warriors from playoff contention. So until the season resumes (if it does), Warriors will be the only team to not make the playoffs

 

[siekro1983]

fuck the khabib vs tony fight is cursed, it will be cancelled soon. 5th time.

 

[WhispersintheWind]

We go Code C.

Well You save me from the big bad Covid-19 Virus?

 

[JMB88]

If a console is not a true generational leap which is measured in TF then it's garbage and not worth buying. The new XBox is a generational leap and I expect the new Playstation to be one as well. Everything else is secondary. If the TF number isn't at least seven to ten times the previous generation, then I wouldn't buy it regardless of any other factor. What people can't realize is that EVERY generation gets a massive increase in efficiency and various features. Some people are drooling over the RDNA and claiming that having a new architecture makes it okay for the PS5 to not even have ten TF. But the reality is that the PS4 had an insanely more efficient GPU than the RSX because it had unified shaders. Then consider all the features the PS3 had compared to the PS2.

The only way to compare one generation to another is with the TF number.

Look, I've been drawing conclusions.

1- MS confirmed 12 TF on XSX on February 24.

1- you joined on February 27

3- Your username is teraflops matter

4- You say that a console below 12 TF is garbage even if the difference is 0.4 TF

I have no choice that to make a cake with all those ingredients and what is cooked is a Troll

 

[Kumomeme]

For anyone thinking this is not anything more than a flu... there it is.

This year will be in future history books. I expect a bad recession and unemployment in the following months. And I'll keep hopes for a vaccine as soon as possible.

Goddamn it.

i cant believe reading some comment in facebook claiming that all this bs, saying that people just being over panic

i guess those guy not being affected that much..they should be gratefull

 

[saintjules]

Here I am about to play Ori and the 1X decides not to show a signal. HDMI port failure. Rip.

 

[tflopsmatter]

Look, I've been drawing conclusions.

1- MS confirmed 12 TF on XSX on February 24.

1- you joined on February 27

3- Your username is teraflops matter

4- You say that a console below 12 TF is garbage even if the difference is 0.4 TF

I have no choice that to make a cake with all those ingredients and what is cooked is a Troll

I joined this forum for multiple reasons, including the fact that I was sick and tired of people sprouting false information that the PS5 was going to have 9.2TF. I firmly believe it will be at least twelve and more likely thirteen. My hope is fourteen but that is probably going too far. The evidence for this is everywhere, but the trolls are trying to say otherwise.

But I'll stand by my comment than anything less than twelve TF is garbage. I don't care if it is .1TF less.

I am very principled in my beliefs, and I'm NOT pragmatic. If I don't think I'm getting what I deserve, I won't buy something even if it is on sale. When it comes to the next Playstation, I firmly believe it will be a generational leap. However, if it wasn't, I don't care how many features other than TFs it had - I wouldn't buy it.

Although I hope the Corona virus goes away, if it gets worse my desire is for Sony and Microsoft to abandon these systems and wait a couple more years until they can produce consoles with ten times the TFLOPS of previous ones.

 

[Sinthor]

Ok, I’m going to be taking a break from this thread for a while, as it’s totally losing the appeal of the technology talk now and common sense has gone out the window. Before I go though, a few things.

1) I’m not an insider. Never said I was, the mods never said I was. I’m not breaking any NDA, as I haven’t signed one. I haven’t signed one, because I have no direct access to development kits at this time, from any studio. If I did, i wouldn’t be posting about it, would I?
2) Stop bringing up Team Blur Games, as if my own indie company is leaking out precious info on its development kits. This is me, sharing info I have from my own sources. Myself and TBG, I’ll say again, have NO DKs. None. Zero. We have no financial ties with any company. Yes, I use our logo, because it’s my own indie studio. My knowledge and stuff is what reflects on the studio, not that I know a guy who knows a guy that owns a dog. Do a little research.
3) Either believe it, or don’t. If you do, chat about it. If you don’t, chat about it. But once again (and may I add, at the same time of the day, with the same faces) things get a little... heated. I posted riddles and things for fun, so I can share with you what I’ve heard, but in a fun way. Because we need the fun.
4) Above all else, use common sense. And stop going instantly into arsehole mode because you have read something you don’t like. It’s totally ok to be on the lower tf scale, or the upper. It doesn’t mean anything this time around. You have no idea what’s coming and truth be told neither do I, or HeisenbergFX4 , or OsirisBlack or @BGs .

But, for now, I’m out. I’m gonna pop in and read things, but I’ll be posting elsewhere on the site. I certainly don’t mind people making news stories, or Era posting stuff etc, but... let’s all just be a bit calmer about it all, eh? Let’s not try and bring my character into question. I’ve been level headed this whole time and stayed the course, never once going full fanboy, either side. Give me a little respect, eh? I’ve given you as much as you’ve allowed.

But anyway.... Thanks for the chats, the giggles, the fun. But man, like @BGs... I too need a few weeks off

I’ll try and pop back in and maybe answer things but don’t expect much from me in this thread for a while.

❤❤❤



See what I mean?

I get it, sir. Things get a little too wound up sometimes! Enjoy your break and see you back hopefully once we have some REAL news and can talk some REAL technical stuff!

 

[Hatsuma]

Here I am about to play Ori and the 1X decides not to show a signal. HDMI port failure. Rip.

Damn that sucks bro. I've been hearing exceptional things about it

 

[Mod of War]

Well You save me from the big bad Covid-19 Virus?

 

[tflopsmatter]

A 7 x jump in TF would be 12.88. I think the PS5 will reach this and make the system barely a generational leap.

 

[TLZ]

Polish are indeed more friendly... people in UK seems more cold.
It is just different.
From somebody from Brasil (where most people are friendly) some EU countries are interesting with the cold way

I still want to go Asia
Of course not for a long time now with Coronavirus.

Visit Arabia. From Mauritania to Iraq, they'll shower you with all the warmth and friendliness you'll ever need.

 

[FrozenFlame]

Bad news for Neogaf if he gets associated with this site and he ends up being full of it.

Pretty sure that there has been leaks on this website along the years that never came to fruition. I'm still waiting for that PS4 jrpg that Verendus hinted... any day now...

 

[Andodalf]

If the consoles are produced and ready to go, but the virus causing people to work from home means the new versions of games aren't ready, will they delay the consoles or launch with poor lineups?

 

[GlassAwful]

I wasn't going to post anything about this before but after a whole day of riddles, teasing and other sites picking this up...

Did no one bother to spend even 2 minutes googling this guy and his "studio"?

17 years spent making a Quake 2 multiplayer mod with his buddy in their free time that they've yet to release.... 17 years on a Quake 2 mod... that has yet to release.

I mean maybe there's something else substantial filling in his resume that Google doesn't show but his studio's accomplishments don't seem to carry much clout to me.

Ask yourselves if this sounds like a likely source for this kind of information. Oh... and coronavirus sucks and stuff

 

[devilNprada]

I joined this forum for multiple reasons, including the fact that I was sick and tired of people sprouting false information that the PS5 was going to have 9.2TF.

ET say 9,2

 

[rntongo]

No it would not be. How can you say that? The TF numbers don't add up. With an eleven TF GPU the PS5 would not even be a generational leap at all. The PS4 would have had a higher multiple of TFs over the PS3. The facts are not on your side.

An eleven TF GPU in the PS5 would make it the least increase in processing power yet.

Also, we need even greater leaps in TF to make up for the fact that we are entering the uncanny valley, utilizing crazy resolutions, and producing VR games.

This is a lie! the PS3 had 0.230 TFLOPs. The PS4 and 1.84 TFLOPs. So an 8 times increase in GPU performance and the same CPU in terms of performance.

The PS5 at 11 tflops on RDNA 1.0 would be 5.9 times the base PS4 before we consider improvements in architecture. If we consider this, it would be 7.4-7.9 increase(25%-33%). But we know the PS5 is going to be using RDNA 2.0. so it will be above 8 times in terms of GPU performance. This is before we consider the fact that RT will be offloaded to RT cores in the GPU.

Add the fact that developers will be using similar development tools since they will be using AMD APUs for the second time, and this would be the best transition since PS1 to PS2. We haven't even started discussing the CPU(6-8 times improvement) and the the SSD. The PS5 will be at worst the third best console to develop for after the PS1 and PS2.

 

[SportsFan581]

Don't chase away the riddlers, it's a fun way to pass the time until MS & Sony tell us everything, which may be about 30 minutes before the launch at the rate things are going.

 

[TLZ]

For anyone thinking this is not anything more than a flu... there it is.

This year will be in future history books. I expect a bad recession and unemployment in the following months. And I'll keep hopes for a vaccine as soon as possible.

Goddamn it.

Coronavirus since beginning have worst stats than Flu.
It was just people trying to say it was nothing lol

69 confirmed cases in Brasil.
Coronavirus.

I still believe it's being exaggerated a lot. I hope I'm right.

 

[Mass Shift]

Here I am about to play Ori and the 1X decides not to show a signal. HDMI port failure. Rip.

Happened to me. If it isn't something like a power surge damaging the console, a better high speed HDMI cable will fix things.

I know there are a ton of YouTube smart asses out there saying all HDMI is the same and telling people there is no difference but that's just not the truth. You need one certified and rated for the type of tv you're using.