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[Sinthor]

It doesn't matter. Every generation gets a massive increase in efficiency. So comparing generations you don't consider efficiency. All that matters is the TFLOP rating.

You know, I'm a bit slow sometimes, but I get it now. Nice job!

 

[01011001]

It is as simple as this...

To get a seven times jump from the PS4 you need a 12.88TF GPU.

To have a system at least three times the TFLOPS of the PS4 Pro you need 12.6TF.

I think it's obvious that Sony would target at least 13TF.

Targeting anything lower would be irrational.

I mean it is scientifically proven that a jump smaller than 7x the raw TFLOPS number is not a generational jump. so basically the PS4 is last gen, you heard it here first!

 

[Hatsuma]

Silent hill psvr2 bring it

Yeah I'm considering getting ps vr 2. That would be a splendid edition if done well

 

[FrozenFlame]

Holy shit how crazy would be Sony buying Konami, thats like 20 incredible ip im pretty sure Sony would exploit and sell a lot of them lol

Er... The hint was purchasing the IP, not the company itself. (And it could be something regarding Microsoft, I'm not sure)

 

[Mriverz]

Yeah I'm considering getting ps vr 2. That would be a splendid edition if done well

indeed i didn’t get the psvr1 because i felt like it wasn't time. But psvr2 i think is going make a major leap forward

 

[tflopsmatter]

I mean it is scientifically proven that a jump smaller than 7x the raw TFLOPS number is not a generational jump. so basically the PS4 is last gen, you heard it here first!

What????

The PS3 GPU had 240 Gflops.

The PS4 GPU had 1840 Gflops

If you do the math you realize that the PS4 had 7.66 times the Tflops of the PS3.

The PS4 was a true generational leap.

 

[JLB]

7 tflops is the correct number, it just needs to be multiplied by 2.

Xbots will cry even in the alternative reality where 7 Tflops ps5 beats the sexy X sex box by 125 million vs 60 million sold consoles in the end of the gen.

you dont sound like a 12 yo fanboy at all.

 

[megreotsugua]

If the PS5 BOM is indeed at $450 because of sudden increase in memory prices, then I could see Sony selling two versions.


$399 - 500GB SSD, no disc drive

$499 - 1TB SSD

 

[Deleted member 779727]

Heinz told me it's 13.8tf.

 

[Gamernyc78]

God man, running through Ratchet n Clank ,PS4 and damn is it dizzying to imagine a full fledged sequel on PS5 teased by Moriarty, with insane graphics and physics. What they did on PS4 is awesome.

God I hope they bring back more mascot series. As rough as it was, I very much enjoyed Medievil remake. Maybe expand the team, allow them to learn from their mistakes, and improve enginework. The composer teased a sequel similarly to the first. Hope it works out.

Side note, Gamernyc, can't wait to get to Nioh 2 myself. Are you a fan of Ninja Gaiden? The director of Nioh said he wants to revisit it. Please redeem the series because 3 was a travesty.

I love Ninja Gaiden and yes I saw that, hope it's true

 

[Rusco Da Vino]

I am going to start listening to sacred symbols. Have not heard Moriarty's input in a while. Did he used to do Kind of Funny with Greg or no?

He is very good. Since he left KFG, Greg's show is not the same.

There was a "big" scandal so Colin left KFG and started his own company (which btw earns much more patreon income than KFG lol)

Kinda Funny co-founder Colin Moriarty quits in wake of sexist tweet (update)

Says group has “separate visions for the future and for the direction of the company”

www.polygon.com

 

[Null_Key]

It doesn't matter what it's about in the end if the system isn't a true generational leap in TF and people decide that it's not worth the money and wait for the PS5 Pro or PS6.

What I care about is a system with the power to push photorealism. If I just cared about games and not graphics, the PS4 - not even the Pro - is still an excellent system.

Then get a PC

 

[LED Guy?]

Then get a PC

Well, "get a PC" doesn't really solve the problem or what he demands at least, PC will just get whatever is developed on consoles and just run them at higher FPS and resolution and maybe a bit better graphics, but it is the same, no game is there to take advantage of very high-end specs because there are too few people who own that type of tech in their PCs and consoles are held by Sony and Microsoft, most significant parts of gaming.

 

[Kazekage1981]

Bo_Hazem I forgot to mention UHDTV upscaling processors, I am sure next gen is going to be powerful enough to clean the image quality of old games, but how can the upscaling processors of UHDTVs help with image quality? Check this out:

 

[B_Boss]

Holy shit how crazy would be Sony buying Konami, thats like 20 incredible ip im pretty sure Sony would exploit and sell a lot of them lol

Sell Metal Gear to KojiPro .

 

[Null_Key]

Well, "get a PC" doesn't really solve the problem or what he demands at least, PC will just get whatever is developed on consoles and just run them at higher FPS and resolution and maybe a bit better graphics, but it is the same, no game is there to take advantage of very high-end specs because there are too few people who own that type of tech in their PCs and consoles are held by Sony and Microsoft, most significant parts of gaming.

The person cared about a massive leaps and Teraflops over games, if thats the case then pc is all you need. Games are always tied to the lowest common denom before upscaled to others. Second, Software developing is a step by step process, just as well as we see upgrades over hardware we see the same amount in software, but to have a high spec system for the sake of just having it is asinine. The tools and utilities have to be upgraded to match the gap the specs are going to provide, and that takes time. For 3rd party it is going to utilize a modified version of last generation engine until a new toolset that takes better advantage of the hardware is released, this happens more around mid to late cycle of the hardware, where we see a max tap in utilization. If you want to do things that require high Parallel algorithm output, ok get a pc with high graphics card. Want to render a 4k movie or do CGI graphics, again get a high spec PC. Want to mine Bitcoin, go with the pc. Games can always be better of course, but its no point in having such a high speced system without understanding that the "generational" update people seek are much further down the line, in which we may see another mid-gen refresh at the point. People talk about TF this and TF that, but lack the understanding that tools and the skills of a studio matter far more than a mere spec boost. The highest performing and best performing games are always polished and highly optimized, that why game like Last of Us 2 looks fantastic without looking so last gen compared to a PC game.

 

[Mass Shift]

the power will be dictated by their pricing goals.
that's the only deciding factor here.

we still don't know how expensive the Series X will be. my guess is close to $600.

so will Sony target a similar price? will they go lower? higher? way lower? way higher?

that will determine the hardware not what time they release or what kind of technology is available to them.

I really don't understand why the Series X would be priced higher if the PS5 basically has the same performance, or as some seem quite convinced will even be more powerful.

Spencer has already stated that he wants the Series X to be priced competitively. $600 is not a competitive price point.

 

[saintjules]

Really? Both net down? Curious..

Its curious for sure. I'd check my X but is at a tech shop right now. HDMI is busted.

 

[Dabaus]

Remember when Osiris black said something about Konami and capcom games? Maybe the silent hill thing is what he was referring to ?

 

[Matreios Raven]

I hope the Silent Hill rumors are true. Though I hope the games can still be multi platform too.

 

[MarkMe2525]

I actually hold team xbox and Microsoft responsible for this vitriol. Theyve so ingrained "power and teraflops" into their fanboys heads that anything contrary to xbox being the most powerful thing ever, even if ps5 is a little weaker, sends their fans into a frenzy. Xbox fandom is pretty much a cult at this point. They have No software to play, worshiping every word huckster Phil tells them, making arbitrary things like Teraflops and resolution the end all be all while every quarter xbox sales and reveneus continue to dip by larger and larger amounts. No one outside tim dog and krollbrille actually care about xbox and sales world wide reflect that.

I went through the build up for the 360 and PS3 and can attest to the fact that this type of behavior is not new. It's no one fault and is a symptom of cognitive bias. Both sides continue to call out the other all the while being blind to their own bias.

If it wasn't teraflops it would be something else. The power of the cell and unified shader. Blast processing and mode 7. 32 bit AND 64 bit. Same thing happened. Rinse and repeat.

 

[saintjules]

If the PS5 BOM is indeed at $450 because of sudden increase in memory prices, then I could see Sony selling two versions.


$399 - 500GB SSD, no disc drive

$499 - 1TB SSD

I don't know. I just don't see a SKU without a drive honestly. Might hurt them when people want to opt in for a cheaper option. Anyone with physical copies of their games will avoid the discless one. Just thoughts though.

 

[HawarMiran]

I hope the Silent Hill rumors are true. Though I hope the games can still be multi platform too.

I can see them going the Death Stranding route. Console exclusive and coming to PC at a later time

 

[Matreios Raven]

So, what are the average tittifloppies estimates for the PS5 today?

 

[LED Guy?]

The person cared about a massive leaps and Teraflops over games, if thats the case then pc is all you need. Games are always tied to the lowest common denom before upscaled to others. Second, Software developing is a step by step process, just as well as we see upgrades over hardware we see the same amount in software, but to have a high spec system for the sake of just having it is asinine. The tools and utilities have to be upgraded to match the gap the specs are going to provide, and that takes time. For 3rd party it is going to utilize a modified version of last generation engine until a new toolset that takes better advantage of the hardware is released, this happens more around mid to late cycle of the hardware, where we see a max tap in utilization. If you want to do things that require high Parallel algorithm output, ok get a pc with high graphics card. Want to render a 4k movie or do CGI graphics, again get a high spec PC. Want to mine Bitcoin, go with the pc. Games can always be better of course, but its no point in having such a high speced system without understanding that the "generational" update people seek are much further down the line, in which we may see another mid-gen refresh at the point. People talk about TF this and TF that, but lack the understanding that tools and the skills of a studio matter far more than a mere spec boost. The highest performing and best performing games are always polished and highly optimized, that why game like Last of Us 2 looks fantastic without looking so last gen compared to a PC game.

Yeah I know what you mean, but I also know what T tflopsmatter wants, he wants these consoles to be as powerful as they can be to provide a higher graphical leap than PS5 being a 9.2 TF machine.

Also The Last of Us Part 2 looks much more impressive than any game I've seen or played on PC, I'm talking graphical fidelity and animations/AI wise, I've never seen anything like it in any game.

 

[LED Guy?]

So, what are the average tittifloppies estimates for the PS5 today?

Well, we have 388 Coo coos and 7190 TFLOPS!!

 

[Matreios Raven]

Well, we have 388 Coo coos and 7190 TFLOPS!!

Well, ain’t that a whole lotta titis.

 

[FrozenFlame]

Remember when Osiris black said something about Konami and capcom games? Maybe the silent hill thing is what he was referring to ?

I just mentioned that.

 

[Null_Key]

I don't know. I just don't see a SKU without a drive honestly. Might hurt them when people want to opt in for a cheaper option. Anyone with physical copies of their games will avoid the discless one. Just thoughts though.

I'm not sure if that is a viable solution. It seems most games are indeed going to take advantage of SSD meaning the games are going to have to be loaded into SSD. 500 GB was big before, but it isn't enough now, hell some games already take 100-200 gb of storage space, and with high texture being the norm that 500 gb is gonna be eaten up. Not having a drive means that all the data in it's entirety will have to be read on SSD making it even worse. While 1TB is probably not enough either, considering the cost of next gen SSD, it's probably the best they can do. The 399 model you are showing will make it mandatory to buy there proprietary external SSD, or a universally accepted SSD interface, so whats the point in having this model, if it cause a burden on consumer.

 

[Null_Key]

Yeah I know what you mean, but I also know what T tflopsmatter wants, he wants these consoles to be as powerful as they can be to provide a higher graphical leap than PS5 being a 9.2 TF machine.

Also The Last of Us Part 2 looks much more impressive than any game I've seen or played on PC, I'm talking graphical fidelity and animations/AI wise, I've never seen anything like it in any game.

I think it's safe to say at this point is, despite the many Xbox fanboys want it to be 9.2, that its gonna be higher specced than that. I speculated that it should be around 10.5-12.5 and to be honest I would be happy in that range. Last of Us 2 is going to be a masterpiece, can't wait for it.

 

[Matreios Raven]

I think Konami might be just licensing their IP to Sony. If anything.

 

[Matreios Raven]

How did GitHub reach even lower numbers for PS5? Like 4 to 7/8 TFLOP/S low? What’s the theory on that? What gives?

 

[megreotsugua]

I don't know. I just don't see a SKU without a drive honestly. Might hurt them when people want to opt in for a cheaper option. Anyone with physical copies of their games will avoid the discless one. Just thoughts though.

If lockhart will be $299, I think it'll be wise for Sony to offer a $399 disc-less version (500GB).

The cost upfront will be compensated by the fact that all games are bought through PSN (30% cut).

The $499 1TB version will be sold with very little profit or at cost.

 

[MarkMe2525]

well apparently the corona virus has issues surviving temperatures of 99°F and above.
so if the summer is hot this year (which it most likely will be since we get record breaking summers almost every other year these days) the virus will have a harder time spreading

Global warming FTW!!!

 

[saintjules]

If lockhart will be $299, I think it'll be wise for Sony to offer a $399 disc-less version (500GB).

The cost upfront will be compensated by the fact that all games are bought through PSN (30% cut).

The $499 1TB version will be sold with very little profit or at cost.

It will be certainly interesting if they manage to sell a $400 disc-less unit. I've been looking more at two PS5 SKUs all this time with one being weaker in terms of power and a top tier Pro version like how VFXVeteran was saying the other day.

I mean I'm getting at launch whatever is the premium model for both Consoles. But whatever gets people in the ecosystem I guess is fine.

 

[MarkMe2525]

Do u need to play ori 1 to understand and enjoy ori 2?

9 hours in Ori 2, no need to play the first. Alot of fun so far. I've noticed alot of hitches and general weirdness when loading during fast travel but nothing that breaks the game and can't be ironed out with a patch.

 

[megreotsugua]

It will be certainly interesting if they manage to sell a $400 disc-less unit. I've been looking more at two PS5 SKUs all this time with one being weaker in terms of power and a top tier Pro version like how VFXVeteran was saying the other day.

I wouldn't mind that either. 9TF $399 version and a 15TF $599 version.

But I think one APU is more practical provided they're able to push it to 11.6TF. $399 disc-less version.

 

[LED Guy?]

I think it's safe to say at this point is, despite the many Xbox fanboys want it to be 9.2, that its gonna be higher specced than that. I speculated that it should be around 10.5-12.5 and to be honest I would be happy in that range. Last of Us 2 is going to be a masterpiece, can't wait for it.

Yeah I agree with you man.

 

[tflopsmatter]

I cannot go PC because they don't have physical media anymore.

 

[Metroiddarks]

I cannot go PC because they don't have physical media anymore.

In my case when a game which I played in PC become one my favorites or considered good, I have to buy again the same game for consoles .... I have a problem

 

[TLZ]

Silent hill psvr2 bring it

 

[Mod of War]

Odium needs to change his name to Klee'dium. People would be sucking him off by this time!

I can rename you to Thread Ban if you keep this goofy shit up.

 

[M.Night Shyamalan]

Remember when Osiris black said something about Konami and capcom games? Maybe the silent hill thing is what he was referring to ?

It must have been... MS has an exclusive with Capcom and Sony an exclusive with Konami. How about Sony buying rights to make games with Konami's IP? What if Bluepoint is really working on a Metal Gear Solid reboot?

 

[Matreios Raven]

Hmm...If the SH rumors are true, does anyone think one of those games might be shown or teased in some way during the PS5 reveal? At least rumors are picking up, somewhat.

 

[SegaSnatcher]

It is as simple as this...

To get a seven times jump from the PS4 you need a 12.88TF GPU.

To have a system at least three times the TFLOPS of the PS4 Pro you need 12.6TF.

I think it's obvious that Sony would target at least 13TF.

Targeting anything lower would be irrational.

PS5 is not gonna be 13 Tflops of RDNA 2. It'll likely be somewhere between 10 and 12 Tflops, but will perform like a 13 - 15 Tflop GCN 1.0 GPU. You'll still get your 7x boost with PS5 over base PS4.

 

[WhispersintheWind]

I can rename you to Thread Ban if you keep this goofy shit up.

Can you do me a favor and put Covid-19 In the Banned List! Thanks You’re my hero!

 

[Koopatrol]

Hmm...If the SH rumors are true, does anyone think one of those games might be shown or teased in some way during the PS5 reveal? At least rumors are picking up, somewhat.

Would be a megaton if they did that. Showcasing Silent Hill right at the PS5 reveal event... that would be insane. I'm not sure though, I feel like it would come out in the PS5's 2nd year. I think the rumor said it has been worked on for a year so far.

I feel like these rumors should be highly connected to PS5 though and that someone should have heard SOMETHING. Maybe we will get some leaks soon.

 

[MARTYWOLF]

I cannot go PC because they don't have physical media anymore.

For someone that was a next gen experience so bad you dont wanna go PC route because lack of physical media? I reckon after next gen we probably wont even have physical media for our games. Gamestop is a sinking ship already id be curious to see statististics of physical vs digital per country

On that note can i get some peoples input? Here in AUS i find it always cheaper going physical media route for my games but will indulge in digital games if on sale or cant buy a game in AUS (ETHAN CARTER BOY THAT WAS A HASSLE TO GET)

Has anyone here gone full digital yet? Does the price bump not annoy you or anything?

 

[DemonCleaner]

forgive my ignorance, I don't know what any of this means lol could someones explain in simple terms for a dummy? thank you!

read the fuckin thread



sorry

 

[lepermessiah]

1 flop 2 flops 4 flops MORE 5 flops 9 flops truly Cerny knows the score, 10 flops 12 flops 13.8 flops oh my I'm a floating point whore! How much more can we take, who knows, the thermals rise with each flop, too high and the form factor blows, though the github wasn't exactly fake, fanboys swear by its absolute sacrosanct authority, but surely Cerny knows the score, getting juicy in this hot tub with muh new toys, Cerny making me horny.