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01011001
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Sony has a weapon for this! FIRMWARE UPDATES!
we need a Firmware update for NeoGaf! it's getting unstable!
Rusco Da Vino
Member
Man, you keep quoting me but we are taking about 2 different things. I understand, and even agree, what you are saying. Try to understand what I am saying too
kareemna
Member
Given when they should be starting manufacturing the PS5 for retail around November-December, An announcement or a full reveal event within a month is highly possible (now till mid April). This could even be to announce an actual full blown event, for a live stream given the circumstances.
Gavin Stevens
Given we currently have extended storage supported on PS4, how would this work on PS5 especially if the internal SSD's bandwidth is around 5 GB/s? USB 3.2 Gen2 is around 1 GB/s
Side note about our TV related discussions: We want EvilBoris (Adam Fairclough) here.
Gavin Stevens
Given we currently have extended storage supported on PS4, how would this work on PS5 especially if the internal SSD's bandwidth is around 5 GB/s? USB 3.2 Gen2 is around 1 GB/sSide note about our TV related discussions: We want EvilBoris (Adam Fairclough) here.
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SportsFan581
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Seems like a lower-end PS5 sku would kill the dream for the Sony fans on GAF.
megreotsugua
Banned
Man, you keep quoting me but we are taking about 2 different things. I understand, and even agree, what you are saying. Try to understand what I am saying too
Sorry dude.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
kareemna
external storage is something nobody knows about, it’s a really interesting area. Its possible they could allow external drives that act as a secondary drive for storage but still require you to move files to the primary for gameplay? In that case you could have any speed or Male and it would be fine.But to PLAY off an external? They would likely go down the official add on route and that is always expensive.
It’s a really good question, and one I would love to know.
01011001
Banned
if we believe the PR speak from MS and Sony about how FAST their SSDs are, a storage expansion would only really be possible through proprietary extension ports. that big slot on the back of the Series X would be a slot where an NVMe SSD which is inside of a small casing could be inserted to, but that would also possible run into thermal issues, because NVMe SSDs can get rally really hot... many people actually put heat sinks on theirs in order to keep them cool.
another possibility is that they support external USB storage that can hold games on it but will need to transfer the game onto the internal SSD in order to play the game.
either way expanding the storage in these systems will be way less straight forward. it's gonna be weird lol
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Coulomb_Barrier
Member
No you're too optimistic, 7-8tflops looks likely based on your wonderful logic.
Zero707
If I carry on trolling, report me.
so Oberon A0 is the same as Ariel B0 but with RDNA 2 Featuers like RT,VRS and IPC GAINS
PS5 at 2.0 Ghz = 9.2 TF RDNA 2
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Fisher did right?
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I forget. Fisher claimed 12tf RDNA 2.0?
Good on him for getting it right then. And people were bashing this guy for weeks.
WhispersintheWind
Member
Last Gen before the Launch of PS4 and Xbox One. Sony originally was going to use 4 Gigs of GDDR5 in the PS4. So Microsoft even with a weaker GPU thought they still had an advantage. The Xbox One Would have a Dram advantage. So even with a weaker GPU they would have been the better overall System.
Well Sony was able to negotiate and get more GDDR5 Memory at a great Price and caught Microsoft with their pants down. Because the 8GB of Memory in the PS4 made it the better system at a cheaper price. It was a great move and decision by Sony in upping the memory.
The other Rumor was the Sony and Microsoft was looking at doing heavy DRM on game content last gen. Because of pressure from Game Devs and Publishers. Because of all the bootleg games and hacked games on PS3 and Xbox 360. Sony saw the Blow back Microsoft got and dropped and refused to do the DRM.
What lead many to believe this rumor was how many patents Sony had for DRM. Including DRM Chip patents on Blu-ray Disc.
Yea, I believe so.
Yeah he did, but then he sent a photoshopped DS4 controller to ModOfWar, claiming to be DS5
Yeah he did, but then he sent a photoshopped DS4 controller to ModOfWar, claiming to be DS5
Yea that was.... interesting. Some theorized he did it on purpose. I'm not gonna dismiss because nothing very often is absolute. However, it definitely hit his credibility though
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ANIMAL1975
Member
It means another push of the Github followers, on the 8/9TF PS5 bullshit narrative. Now that the positive news around RDNA2 and AMDs keynote have settled down... they're back to the game, countering with old Komachi tweets from last year, and da Githubz again of course! Why? To bring down the good momentum created, and put the PS5 back to the negative word of mouth.
No its not, it's old reposted data from May-June, it clearly says in the tweets.
It's Oberon C0 that is from December _ the one they know nothing about. And in January Komachi tweeted about E0 sample, yet another revision! _ and then deleted it when got bombarded with questions...
01011001
Banned
well the revision will hardly change much other than fixes and optimizations.
hence why it is a revision not a redesign.
01011001
Banned
well he also said that Sony bough 2 publicly traded companies... a few months ago... that didn't help with his reputation either.
DemonCleaner
Member
that was a joke man. of course it would be absurd to expect from any one to read thorugh 1363 pages. i thought the spoiler gave it away.
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Yea, forgot about that. Tommy is a wild dood lol
3liteDragon
Member
PS5 Latest Proposed Core Specification - 11/03/2020 (base model, not PS5 Pro) - Pastebin.com
Pastebin.com is the number one paste tool since 2002. Pastebin is a website where you can store text online for a set period of time.
The YT channel MarlonGamingNation (direct link to channel), posted this pastebin link on the chat that was sent to him from someone who he says is a legitimate inside source within SIE iirc. This Marlon guy though does have connections within Sony, he was also actually in one of the documentaries they made for (I THINK) God of War. Also, that Ubisoft or Activision developer that mentioned a 14TF PS5 devkit in existence, watches his stream daily and out of nowhere on one of his streams, mentioned an ergonomic adjustable grip for the PS5 controller in the comments. And in one his streams from late February, his SIE source told him that the PlayStation store for PS5 will have a completely separate UI and will be called GAMERS’ MARKET with features like trading/buying games with credits or something. Idk exactly what he said, but here’s the link to THAT PART of the stream. Even though he says his source is legit, I always took whatever he said with a HUGE grain of salt, until about two days ago on Wednesday, March 11th. His source told him during that day’s stream, that the Ellie edition for TLOU2 will be restocked and go on sale again on March 13th on the PlayStation Direct store. And today...
This is why I’m starting to think his source actually has a chance of being legit, but again this is all just pure speculation. That pastebin link says they’ve unlocked 15.05TF by clocking 56 CU’s all the way up to a whopping 2.1 GHz on the devkit (Those are devkit specs because there’s no way in hell we’re getting 32GB of RAM on the retail version) but iirc, Marlon said they were looking to settle at somewhere around 11TF in one of his recent streams, which is the current number that’s been floating around recently. Now, I’m not asking you guys to 100% believe whatever this dude says, but at least when it comes to rumours, I think we should treat all rumours equally instead of quickly moving to dismiss them. They all have an equal chance of being true or false just because of the fact that Sony has barely mentioned ANYTHING regarding the PS5 up until now. Just my humble opinion, what do you guys think about this?
T
Three Jackdaws
Unconfirmed Member
Lmao my bad....
JLB
Banned
Of course, there was no way for Sony to know it in advance, but any timing in the foreseeable future to announce ps5 is bad. Coronavirus is keeping the whole attention, and finding some space on mainstream media for non related news will be tough for a while.
Maybe they could wait for May or June as best option.
Maybe they could wait for May or June as best option.
01011001
Banned
PS5 Latest Proposed Core Specification - 11/03/2020 (base model, not PS5 Pro) - Pastebin.com
Pastebin.com is the number one paste tool since 2002. Pastebin is a website where you can store text online for a set period of time.pastebin.com
why would this specifically mention "Double rate fp16" which is standard in AMD GPUs since Vega?
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3liteDragon
Member
Again, just speculation here. We know absolutely nothing about what’s going on behind-the-scenes.
ethomaz
Banned
I don't want to enter in GitHub talk because it is clearly not related to what people what to relate it.
But AMD revisions numbers works like that:
00000A00 A0
Minor revisions just the last number changes: 00000A00 A1, 00000A00 A2, 00000A00 A3, etc.
That is when you chip receive small fixes, optimizations and microcode updates.
Major revisions the middle number and letter changes: 00000A10 B0, 00000A20 C0, 00000A30 C0, etc.
These are big changes in the chip.
How big these these major revisions can be? I'm not sure but in the past there is cases where some Phenom CPUs added 2 more CPU cores via major revisions.
GitHub showed these models:
00840F00 A0 (Ariel)
00840F10 B0 (Ariel)
00840F20 A0 (Oberon)
00840F30 B0 (Oberon)
00840F40 C0 (Oberon)
Komachi posted a E0 revision but deleted due so many people asking about PS5.
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BattleScar
Member
According to Komachi, FCLK is Infinity Fabric Clock. So assuming Oberon is the PS5, its not monolithic? Why would you need infinity fabric for a monolithic chip? Its entire function is to act as a high bandwidth interconnect between multiple dies.
Fun Fanboy
Banned
15 tf, 32 gig of ram. Lol.
3liteDragon
Member
These are devkit specs, please read the full post.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
PS5 Latest Proposed Core Specification - 11/03/2020 (base model, not PS5 Pro) - Pastebin.com
Pastebin.com is the number one paste tool since 2002. Pastebin is a website where you can store text online for a set period of time.
The YT channel MarlonGamingNation (direct link to channel), posted this pastebin link on the chat that was sent to him from someone who he says is a legitimate inside source within SIE iirc. This Marlon guy though does have connections within Sony, he was also actually in one of the documentaries they made for (I THINK) God of War. Also, that Ubisoft or Activision developer that mentioned a 14TF PS5 devkit in existence, watches his stream daily and out of nowhere on one of his streams, mentioned an ergonomic adjustable grip for the PS5 controller in the comments. And in one his streams from late February, his SIE source told him that the PlayStation store for PS5 will have a completely separate UI and will be called GAMERS’ MARKET with features like trading/buying games with credits or something. Idk exactly what he said, but here’s the link to THAT PART of the stream. Even though he says his source is legit, I always took whatever he said with a HUGE grain of salt, until about two days ago on Wednesday, March 11th. His source told him during that day’s stream, that the Ellie edition for TLOU2 will be restocked and go on sale again on March 13th on the PlayStation Direct store. And today...
This is why I’m starting to think his source actually has a chance of being legit, but again this is all just pure speculation. That pastebin link says they’ve unlocked 15.05TF by clocking 56 CU’s all the way up to a whopping 2.1 GHz on the devkit (Those are devkit specs because there’s no way in hell we’re getting 32GB of RAM on the retail version) but iirc, Marlon said they were looking to settle at somewhere around 11TF in one of his recent streams, which is the current number that’s been floating around recently. Now, I’m not asking you guys to 100% believe whatever this dude says, but at least when it comes to rumours, I think we should treat all rumours equally instead of quickly moving to dismiss them. They all have an equal chance of being true or false just because of the fact that Sony has barely mentioned ANYTHING regarding the PS5 up until now. Just my humble opinion, what do you guys think about this?
Pastebin spec is
4ghz cpu
2.1 ghz gpu
15tf
32gb gddr6
1.5tb SSD
Comes with a pack-in game
Nov 20, 2020
$499
Maybe $699.
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Sony could have been a canary in the coal mine for the video games space. Digital event it is then.
BattleScar
Member
PS5 Latest Proposed Core Specification - 11/03/2020 (base model, not PS5 Pro) - Pastebin.com
Pastebin.com is the number one paste tool since 2002. Pastebin is a website where you can store text online for a set period of time.
The YT channel MarlonGamingNation (direct link to channel), posted this pastebin link on the chat that was sent to him from someone who he says is a legitimate inside source within SIE iirc. This Marlon guy though does have connections within Sony, he was also actually in one of the documentaries they made for (I THINK) God of War. Also, that Ubisoft or Activision developer that mentioned a 14TF PS5 devkit in existence, watches his stream daily and out of nowhere on one of his streams, mentioned an ergonomic adjustable grip for the PS5 controller in the comments. And in one his streams from late February, his SIE source told him that the PlayStation store for PS5 will have a completely separate UI and will be called GAMERS’ MARKET with features like trading/buying games with credits or something. Idk exactly what he said, but here’s the link to THAT PART of the stream. Even though he says his source is legit, I always took whatever he said with a HUGE grain of salt, until about two days ago on Wednesday, March 11th. His source told him during that day’s stream, that the Ellie edition for TLOU2 will be restocked and go on sale again on March 13th on the PlayStation Direct store. And today...
This is why I’m starting to think his source actually has a chance of being legit, but again this is all just pure speculation. That pastebin link says they’ve unlocked 15.05TF by clocking 56 CU’s all the way up to a whopping 2.1 GHz on the devkit (Those are devkit specs because there’s no way in hell we’re getting 32GB of RAM on the retail version) but iirc, Marlon said they were looking to settle at somewhere around 11TF in one of his recent streams, which is the current number that’s been floating around recently. Now, I’m not asking you guys to 100% believe whatever this dude says, but at least when it comes to rumours, I think we should treat all rumours equally instead of quickly moving to dismiss them. They all have an equal chance of being true or false just because of the fact that Sony has barely mentioned ANYTHING regarding the PS5 up until now. Just my humble opinion, what do you guys think about this?
This is total bollocks. There is no way Sony would use a 512-bit GDDR6 memory bus. As far as I am aware, the memory traces need to be very carefully managed with GD6, which would be appallingly difficult with a 512-bit bus. Not to mention the fact that GD6 memory controllers are fucking massive, and having 8 64-bit controllers would take up a stupid amount of die space. Given all this, they would quite literally be better off using HBM2 and using the die space on a larger GPU. Absolutely crazy.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Have Rogame, Komachi etc. essentially confirmed this?
Haven't posted a ton, busy busy. Appreciate you compiling these posts of theirs tho. Lines up a lot with what I was thinking in terms of at least one of the earlier Oberon revisions being an RDNA2 chip. So I guess the question now is if the full chip size is actually at 40 or somewhat larger.
If it's just 40 then would they be better off having the full chip on but clocking it at 1900MHz, I wonder? Also have they found out anything else about Oberon E0 in particular?
So the data in E0 revision was testing Oberon itself and not Ariel iGPU profile?
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nikolino840
Member
LocalRay Interview - 'We've Partnered with One of the Leading Console Manufacturers on Raytracing'
We have had a long and interesting chat with Adshir CEO and Founder, Dr. Reuven Bakalash, on his LocalRay cross-platform raytracing software.
wccftech.com
And as you've said, it can also run on consoles, right?
I wouldn't say that it runs just yet, but we are working on it and it will run.
I understand that you cannot go into details for these deals. But is the deal with a new console manufacturer or a manufacturer that's already well established in the console market?
Of course, yeah. One of the leading.
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For me Is a great method to make an Hybrid raytracing to not explode a console
3liteDragon
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devilNprada
Member
Should they come here and repeat it over, and over, and over, and over, again. like you do?
You've made your 9.2 point already man, give it a rest.
Koopatrol
Member
I appreciate the write up, but Naughty Dog officially tweeted about it 2 days ago.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
And where does it say it's a dev kit?
So gamers can buy a PS5 dev kit on Nov 20, 2020 too? lol
- PS5 Latest Proposed Core Specification - 11/03/2020 (base model, not PS5 Pro)
- APU:
- Zen2 semi-custom 7nm CPU with 8 cores/16 threads @ 3.86GHz.
- RDNA2 semi-custom 7nm GPU with 56 CU's @ 2.1GHz (up to 15.05 Tflops peak).
- Double rate fp16, variable rate shading, integrated geometry culling via GPU.
- Hardware based ray tracing processor (contained within APU die) for shadows, reflections, global illumination & particles.
- Memory:
- 32GB GDDR6
- Around 1,024GB/s bandwidth via 512-bit memory interface (GDDR6 video memory modules).
- Storage:
- 1.5TB semi-custom NVMe SSD. Expandable/upgradable via modules.
- Availability:
- Launching November 20, 2020 @ $499 (USD) with one controller and one first party game.
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01011001
Banned
well they will do a hybrid most likely anyways. Crytek already released a pretty nice looking demo that runs at 1080p60 on mid range hardware, but it had limitations and the reflections were really blurry when displaying fast movements.
so the software side still needs work, but Raytracing in general gets better and more efficient by the day since developers slowly are getting a good grip on it.
you can already run Raytracing in stuff like Control on non RTX cards at console level performance (you can run it at 1080p30 with Raytracing on a GTX1070 for example)
3liteDragon
Member
Marlon’s daytime streams last from 1pm ET to 3pm. This post from Naughty Dog was exactly at 4pm ET.
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3liteDragon
Member
32GB of GDDR6 RAM is not something you would find in a retail console, and he says his source is someone within SIE, not a developer, because a developer would only know just the specs of the devkit they’re given, not all this info. So wouldn’t he know all this info about pricing and the launch date? And btw, Marlon said he’s going to have this guy on the show next week. So we’ll see what happens.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
If this is a dev kit, then why would the pastebin say it's the proposed base model PS5 spec, and also have a release date and price?
Insane Metal
Member
That's pretty awesome, whoever it is, will make it a lot easier for smaller devs to make use of it, since it's via software. If it's integrated into the Development ecosystem it'll possibly make things simple.LocalRay Interview - 'We've Partnered with One of the Leading Console Manufacturers on Raytracing'
We have had a long and interesting chat with Adshir CEO and Founder, Dr. Reuven Bakalash, on his LocalRay cross-platform raytracing software.
And as you've said, it can also run on consoles, right?
I wouldn't say that it runs just yet, but we are working on it and it will run.
I understand that you cannot go into details for these deals. But is the deal with a new console manufacturer or a manufacturer that's already well established in the console market?
Of course, yeah. One of the leading.
Already posted?
For me Is a great method to make an Hybrid raytracing to not explode a console
HawarMiran
Banned
Learn to read
liviopangt
Neo Member
I have always claimed that the textur and the real potential for a game in my opinion PS5 will aim a lot to achieve photorealism the GPU will be between 312 -364 TMU
ethomaz
Banned
There is no Oberon tests in GitHub.
There is regression Ariel tests running in Oberon A0/B0.
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Koopatrol
Member
Hmm, interesting. Do you have a link to the stream where it's timestamped?
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