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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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ethomaz

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3 cured? Tell the hospital there to send me some of that cure lol.
In Brasil from 98 confirmed cases the first one cured happened yesterday.

The big issue is not the power of the virus that the own body can deal with it if you have good immunity but the space in hospital to support all the UTI cases (people with low immunity).

That is the big caos created by Coronavirus... no country in the world has medical resources and infrastructure to tread the virus if it wide spread.
 
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njean777

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IDK this corona issue may hinder a lot of plans for pricing of these systems. Nobody is going to want to spend 600-700$ on a gaming system when getting food or toilet paper is more important. I wonder how the virus will effect these companies plans on pricing because if the world goes into a recession (which is happening) nobody is going to want to spend a lot of money on a luxury device. Phones are a necessary device to have, and get paid of slowly over time, so the full price isn't really advertised nor really looked at as providers give you the device and then you pay it off over a term.

Consoles do not have the same perception as phones do, so charging a huge amount of money on something that is not an everyday necessity is going to be risky for both these companies. Especially when the Xbox one (x or S) and PS4 (or pro) exist and are much cheaper.
 
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Stop digging. No they’re not small, big and well known.

So can we assume the following:

- The source of WhispersintheWind a is legit PS5 dev.
- The source debunks, once again, the PS5 9.2tf ficction.
- WhispersintheWind shared his well-funded "opinion" after talking with a legit PS5 dev.
- We dont know yet what leak the source points as correct.
- WhispersintheWind has promised that he will share more info if his source replies back.
 
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IDK this corona issue may hinder a lot of plans for pricing of these systems. Nobody is going to want to spend 600-700$ on a gaming system when getting food or toilet paper is more important. I wonder how the virus will effect these companies plans on pricing because if the world goes into a recession (which is happening) nobody is going to want to spend a lot of money on a luxury device. Phones are a necessary device to have, and get paid of slowly over time, so the full price isn't really advertised nor really looked at as providers give you the device and then you pay it off over a term.

Consoles do not have the same perception as phones do, so charging a huge amount of money on something that is not an everyday necessity is going to be risky for both these companies. Especially when the Xbox one (x or S) and PS4 (or pro) exist and are much cheaper.
coronavirus panic will be nonexistent in a month or two, let alone in November.
 
we already know they targeted $399 and increases memory cost upped it to $450. you arent getting 12tf with a $399 console and certainly not 13tf.
No one knows the target price was 399 as BB didnt say that . Thats just speculation on your part and BB said that sony cant keep the price of ps5 to 450 which btw is more expensive than x1x in 2017 which was 430$. So no they are not in single digit territory no matter how hard you try bro. I know its hard for you and will hinder your enjiyment of your xsx knowing ps5 isnt single digit teraflop but it is what it is lol
 
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They said around $450.
ZhugeEX estimated that the XsX would be between $460 and $520.

You're really trying to push the 9TF stuff. :messenger_grinning_sweat:
We can not compare 2 different price estimate fro m two diffrent people . Bloomberg in the same article said sony higher ups are saying they need to take a bigger loss to price match xsx.meaning to their poiht of view xsx is estimated lower than ps5 . Just FYI:

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I have no idea what PS5 will be like, but even if it were 9.2TF RDNA2 (or thereabouts) it'd be fine.

The effective performance difference [with XSX] would be significantly smaller than between X1X and Pro (X1X has ~40% more flops but well over 50% more effective bandwidth to feed the GPU, and this is often the limiting factor for the Pro). And the Pro is doing baller.

Edit: I'm still hoping PS5 and XSX will be within 10% of eachother.
 
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well what if every fanboys nightmare comes true and it's 9.2TF with 36CUs running at 2ghz? I mean in that case, yeah we will
No we are not talking about that case. In that case sony has fucked up to go with a console at 9 tf drawing 6% less power from wall than the 12 tf xsx due to going narrow and such high clock .

If its not 9.2 will you stop talking about github or that has become your hobby now and you cant stop anymore lol ?
 
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Github is and was never a problem, the information contained within it was 100% legitimate. The problem has always been, certain idiots with an agenda, using that information, mixing with their own BS and passing them as facts.

To this day, not one of them can answer about the actual CU count on Oberon. Not one, why? Because data is completely silent on shaders count. Meanwhile it provided shaders count for Arden at 3584, which meant 56CUs. All, you have is native 18WGP count for a BC compatibility/regression test. We have few, who on this very site argued it to be from Ariel iGPU profile for Oberon to be RDNA2. So which one is it? Either you cede Oberon to be RDNA1, meaning Github data can be thrown away. Or you can argue that Oberon is RDNA2, and all the testing is of RDNA1 iGPU i.e. Ariel, but then your interpretation of what is actually on Oberon made up completely from your backside and not on the basis of Github.

I've argued this for a very long time, when everyone was convinced Oberon is RDNA1. How can you be so sure about total CU count on Oberon when all you have is a regression test? How can you be so certain and box yourself with maximum limit of 36 or 40CUs, when a bigger NAVI was in existence in form of Arden in that very data itself? (We didn't know it was RDNA2 either) What exactly was stopping Sony from stepping beyond that mark?

Oh, I know, it was because PS5 iGPU was based on RDNA1. And given how power hungry they were and AMD highest performing NAVI discreet GPU tapping out at 9.7TF with 40CUs. Sony were always going to be limited by what they could design, as it would form part of the APU. (But not MS with Arden, because.... just reasons) If only I could be arsed to quote, pages and pages of this non-sense, which I had to sift through on a daily basis on these kind of threads on various places for months and months. All I had thrown in my face were Github data, and ro_game tweets.

But, now when AMD went out of their way to confirm PS5 is RDNA2, then Oberon was suddenly RDNA2 all along and their interpretation of Github data along with ro_game was wrong. I mean, you couldn't make this shit up! Anyways, if the Oberon was RDNA2 all along, it actually strengthens the argument of CU count even more. Want to one of the features of RDNA2? It is extremely power efficient, meaning it would allow AMD to put more CUs and build a bigger GPU. So, take this, we have Gonzalo an APU, housing an iGPU in form of Ariel which is based on RDNA1. So Sony, did spent $$$ to manufacture an APU on a tech/architecture which was never going into final PS5 (Killing the argument of Sony 'wasting money' on an APU they were not going to use). Hence, whenever the decision was taken of a redesign i.e. to switch from RDNA1 to RDNA2 (Ariel to Oberon, in this instance). What advantages did they take of this new RDNA2 architecture? We know they are tapping into VRS and RT, but did they also take advantage of efficiency gains to add CUs on the iGPU, or the decision was to simply clock it higher?

We DON'T know answer to any of this, Github data provides fuckall insight to this question which is what I've been preaching all along. We don't know the full makeup of Oberon, so stop boxing yourself within the confines of 36/40CUs. That restriction made sense if PS5 was using a power hungry RDNA1 architecture, but we know it doesn't. They could've clocked the GPU higher, or added more CUs and gone little wide and slower. We just don't know, anybody who is acting like they do on basis of Github data, are just chatting shit. /endrant
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Some trolls here will say Sony is lying about the PS5 specs, others will say that they never were in the GitHub Club.

And at least 1 of them will celebrate as if he had been neutral all this time ;)

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Love the gif.

It would be bad if people actually thought that raw specs were being lied about, this stuff would be caught within a week of release. That's not a good look. LOL

If a console maker was not happy with their specs, they wouldn't lie about actual numbers. They'd go the MS 2013 route and talk about how you couldn't tell the difference (or xyz is more important), or they'd pull a Nintendo and just never talk about it. If Sony is at 13 or 14, they'll be talking about it and they won't be lying.
 
No we are not talking about that case. In that case sony has fucked up to go with a console at 9 tf drawing 6% less power from wall than the 12 tf xsx due to going narrow and high clock .

I mean, if Sony can price $100 under the XSX and manufacture them faster during the launch period, would that really be a fuckup?

I understand that being the flops leader has some value in niche circles, but if at the end of the first year you've sold more, you're the usual target platform and you have more momentum that's not a bad place to be.

I'm not saying it is 9tf, but I do think we should consider that a machine 20 or 30% less powerful than the XSX could still be the market leader in every way that matters to Sony. And we should consider the technology in light of that.
 

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No we are not talking about that case. In that case sony has fucked up to go with a console at 9 tf drawing 6% less power from wall than the 12 tf xsx due to going narrow and high clock .

If its not 9.2 will you stop talking about github or that has become your hobby now and you cant stop anymore lol ?

well it's funny how irrational everyone gets whenever it's mentioned, so yeah it's kinda becoming a hobby.
and until a verified insider gives detailed specs that make sense and doesn't have weird errors in them it stays the only reliable source of information.

how hard can it be for a developer with access to a dev kit to literally just write down the system info of their dev kit?
instead we get "it's not that... oh and not that... but close to that..."
hardware specs will not reveal your identity, so what's stopping them from simply giving specs? detailed specs? more than "around 10 to 11.5" with no infos on how wide or how high clocked the various parts are.

they choose to risk their job by talking to people already, giving specifics about the hardware doesn't suddenly make it 1000x more risky to get caught you know.
 
well it's funny how irrational everyone gets whenever it's mentioned, so yeah it's kinda becoming a hobby.
and until a verified insider gives detailed specs that make sense and doesn't have weird errors in them it stays the only reliable source of information.

how hard can it be for a developer with access to a dev kit to literally just write down the system info of their dev kit?
instead we get "it's not that... oh and not that... but close to that..."
hardware specs will not reveal your identity, so what's stopping them from simply giving specs? detailed specs? more than "around 10 to 11.5" with no infos on how wide or how high clocked the various parts are.

they choose to risk their job by talking to people already, giving specifics about the hardware doesn't suddenly make it 1000x more risky to get caught you know.
Wtf lol did you just write that ? U dont know what NDA is ?they will be fired and taken to court lol to just gain your approval ? Not a wise decision imo
 
IDK this corona issue may hinder a lot of plans for pricing of these systems. Nobody is going to want to spend 600-700$ on a gaming system when getting food or toilet paper is more important. I wonder how the virus will effect these companies plans on pricing because if the world goes into a recession (which is happening) nobody is going to want to spend a lot of money on a luxury device. Phones are a necessary device to have, and get paid of slowly over time, so the full price isn't really advertised nor really looked at as providers give you the device and then you pay it off over a term.

Consoles do not have the same perception as phones do, so charging a huge amount of money on something that is not an everyday necessity is going to be risky for both these companies. Especially when the Xbox one (x or S) and PS4 (or pro) exist and are much cheaper.
In the same token, a lot of people aren't working right now which may mean that no one can afford a high priced console.
 
well it's funny how irrational everyone gets whenever it's mentioned, so yeah it's kinda becoming a hobby.
and until a verified insider gives detailed specs that make sense and doesn't have weird errors in them it stays the only reliable source of information.

how hard can it be for a developer with access to a dev kit to literally just write down the system info of their dev kit?
instead we get "it's not that... oh and not that... but close to that..."
hardware specs will not reveal your identity, so what's stopping them from simply giving specs? detailed specs? more than "around 10 to 11.5" with no infos on how wide or how high clocked the various parts are.

they choose to risk their job by talking to people already, giving specifics about the hardware doesn't suddenly make it 1000x more risky to get caught you know.
Careful you are basically admitting it's your hobby to troll. I've talked to my programming friends about this many of times and it's not how this all works. I don't understand it all but they all have said you cant always rely on things like github. To make it your hobby could mean maybe go open up a github discussion board. Why not? You say it's the only facts we have, and also that people here are delusional. So why entertain this thread? If it's to troll and call only your version of fact a fact then you are good - speculation over. You know the answer. Why lurk👀
 
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