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Black. Previous DK ran hot with thermal peaks that were not intended, as I’ve mentioned. As far as I know, there I’ve only been two types of DK, silver and a final black one, both pretty much the same design though. But as I also said previously, the latest DK had a few issues at 11.6 still and there was a possibility of a slight downclock to keep temps in check (this was the one people reported being too loud still), which is why I don’t see them pushing higher unless they fix other areas, which at this stage in the game I just can’t see?

(All this is old info I’ve posted before Btw, I’m not posting anything new).

As for which it was, I cant put a number on it. I’ve heard at least 3 kits being in the wild and this was the last one (up to date like two weeks back), but as for the having an actual number? I couldn’t say, and haven’t been told.

I heard the Silver Ones would actually crash because they ran so hot. Also I heard the newer Black Ones are not as tall as the Silver Debug. The way it was put to me slightly shorter then the silver Dev Kits.
 
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Rudius

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I been considering getting ps vr 2 if the QoL is greatly improved n is powerful. Had the chance recently to try out Re7 in VR n Jesus.... Damn I hope that Silent Hill rumor is true and it has VR support
It being powerful is basically guaranteed, but I agree that they should focus more on confort and ease of use. Simple things like including built-in speakers and removing warning signs every time you turn it on would make a great difference.
 

Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
I heard the Silver Ones would actually crash because they ran so hot. Also I heard the newer Black Ones are not as tall as the Silver Debug. The way it was put to me slightly shorter then the silver Dev Kits.

I couldn’t say about size though that’s entirely possible as things still progress.

As for crashing and what not, again, I’ve mentioned previously that the older kits were around the high 10 mark but had thermal issues, not exactly crashing but running so hot that it wasn’t a viable long term solution. Then these were fixed somewhat but the clocks pushed higher and again, they started running into thermal concerns. Better than before, but still not where you would want to be. That’s why I mentioned that at 11.6, there is more chance of a downclock than an up clock, as these things are already pushed, and then pushed again.

REALISTICALLY, there is a chance they will go to 11.5, hell maybe lower, as even that tiny little bump down will mean the temps will drop a fair bit. But I’m also confident that with a little tweaking they can stay at 11.6 comfortably.

Thats why when other people post these large ranges, I’ve been stuck at 11.6 for a while now. The only time I had a “range” was when I was first getting info. Before that I was on the guess train like everybody else.

What I will say is that these things are quite large though, to the point that they make the series x size look pretty tame even. It sounds like Sony are trying to go large but flatter, by SX is going tall but smaller, if that makes sense. Both systems will require a good bit of real estate in your display cabinet mind you 🤣 But that’s personal opinion there, not fact.

Agnostic2020 Agnostic2020 not once have I heard anything over 12, and I speak to multiple people. Doesnt mean it’s not possible, but everything added together certainly doesn’t paint that picture, when you think about it.
 
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Black. Previous DK ran hot with thermal peaks that were not intended, as I’ve mentioned. As far as I know, there I’ve only been two types of DK, silver and a final black one, both pretty much the same design though. But as I also said previously, the latest DK had a few issues at 11.6 still and there was a possibility of a slight downclock to keep temps in check (this was the one people reported being too loud still), which is why I don’t see them pushing higher unless they fix other areas, which at this stage in the game I just can’t see?

(All this is old info I’ve posted before Btw, I’m not posting anything new).

As for which it was, I cant put a number on it. I’ve heard at least 3 kits being in the wild and this was the last one (up to date like two weeks back), but as for the having an actual number? I couldn’t say, and haven’t been told.
Thanks for info dev kit 3 are supposed to be sent out around now i think and then final dev kit in June.

Weird we haven't seen a single picture of the black one yet .what i heard was dev kit 2 was indeed clocked a bit lower than DK1 from 12.6 to 12.3 so abit different than your numbers .

Weird we have so much conflicting info yet they r all so close .
 
Thanks for info dev kit 3 are supposed to be sent out around now i think and then final dev kit in June.

Weird we haven't seen a single picture of the black one yet .what i heard was dev kit 2 was indeed clocked a bit lower than DK1 from 12.6 to 12.3 so abit different than your numbers .

Weird we have so much conflicting info yet they r all so close .

I believe Sony sent out different clocks on the GPU which impacts the TFlops. For testing of thermals and to help zero in on leaks. Yet the same range of numbers do continue to pop up.
 
I believe Sony sent out different clocks on the GPU which impacts the TFlops. For testing of thermals and to help zero in on leaks. Yet the same range of numbers do continue to pop up.
Could definitely be a way to track leaks and test thermals for sure but what I don't understand is that where are the target specs ? That will not change just like DK revisions. Maybe Sony gave target specs to only few people in each company and NDAed them pretty hard ? Then DK are what companies are allowed to share with their devs?
 
Thanks for info dev kit 3 are supposed to be sent out around now i think and then final dev kit in June.

Weird we haven't seen a single picture of the black one yet .what i heard was dev kit 2 was indeed clocked a bit lower than DK1 from 12.6 to 12.3 so abit different than your numbers .

Weird we have so much conflicting info yet they r all so close .

Perhaps it's true there are different variations of DKs out there?
 

Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
I couldn’t possibly comment on whether certain specs are sent to certain people to narrow down leaks, but can comment from a common sense point of view that wouldn’t make much sense, because you’re essentially told to develop for X spec, regardless of if your current box even supports that target or not. I’ve never heard of set clocks and whatever to catch people out, that sounds like an absolute nightmare from several points of view and not very practical.
 
Could definitely be a way to track leaks and test thermals for sure but what I don't understand is that where are the target specs ? That will not change just like DK revisions. Maybe Sony gave target specs to only few people in each company and NDAed them pretty hard ? Then DK are what companies are allowed to share with their devs?
Always easier for a Dev to up target specs at Optimization Stage then to down grade.
 
I couldn’t possibly comment on whether certain specs are sent to certain people to narrow down leaks, but can comment from a common sense point of view that wouldn’t make much sense, because you’re essentially told to develop for X spec, regardless of if your current box even supports that target or not. I’ve never heard of set clocks and whatever to catch people out, that sounds like an absolute nightmare from several points of view and not very practical.
Yea thats what I think as well . But I have heard 12.6 and 12.3 from many many different people and I don't mean forum normal forum poster.


Also We have Reiner saying ps5 is above xsx to klee saying Tiny bit above xsx to Colin saying its a bit above xsx to osiris here saying the same. On the other hand we have you and heisenberg saying xsx is a bit higher . Its all a bit confusing but again as long as they are close no sane person should give a fuck imo .
 

Rudius

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Black. Previous DK ran hot with thermal peaks that were not intended, as I’ve mentioned. As far as I know, there I’ve only been two types of DK, silver and a final black one, both pretty much the same design though. But as I also said previously, the latest DK had a few issues at 11.6 still and there was a possibility of a slight downclock to keep temps in check (this was the one people reported being too loud still), which is why I don’t see them pushing higher unless they fix other areas, which at this stage in the game I just can’t see?

(All this is old info I’ve posted before Btw, I’m not posting anything new).

As for which it was, I cant put a number on it. I’ve heard at least 3 kits being in the wild and this was the last one (up to date like two weeks back), but as for the having an actual number? I couldn’t say, and haven’t been told.
The thing I don't want is it being loud. I'm barely playing Dreams because of the noise it cases on my Pro.
 

thelastword

Banned
Are people already gloating on a leak and pretending it's confirmed when Sony has said nothing......We have no idea what figure is correct, the guy saying one of the recent pastebins is correct may be FOS himself and we have no idea which one he is talking about.....Why doesn't he say which one specifically, because everyone is playing these foolish games in the hope that they will be close and say "told ya"......It's just an attempt at cheap points online, but there is also the other slope, when you have gloated and you are completely wrong.....

It's the same way some people wanted to force the 9.2TF number down our throats, and were actually aggressive when you didn't believe, some are still pushing that 9.2TF and trying to justify why it wont be so bad, when MS can easily do a 12TF console at the same time. I guess Sony must be handicapped...
 

Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
What is 3:1 in favor of sx ? Out of 4 devs 3 saying xsx have edge ?

Yes in favour of sx, and no not just devs but rumblings and all sorts. I have heard a few people (no devs) say ps5 is slightly ahead but those people have also been very mixed when it comes to other things. I’ve got a few people I chat with, both first party and third, and what I’m hearing from them alone suggests Sx has the edge, however, that edge is so stupidly small it’s not even worth mentioning.

And I think that really can’t be stressed enough... these things are so close it’s not even worth talking about. This is going to be a battle of games and and services, and not power.

edit: just to add that a certain post above never seems to pop up when the ps5 “leaks” are higher. That’s weird isn’t it?
 
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Gavin Stevens

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I do see a diskless console being a norm in the future, for sure, but until we can get cheaper, larger storage options, it’s just not happening sadly. I mean as an extra console? Sure. But not for a main console, not yet.

We need ISPs to increase speeds, lift data caps, and storage prices to get low before that’s even feasible.
 

FranXico

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I think 11.6TF allows for marketing to say 12TF (with when rounded as a tiny, tiny footnote) too - which I wouldn't put past either of them.
Even though it's obviously a small difference for the power levels at stake, using a misleading number would still look bad though.
If they manage to pricer lower than Xbox, they would rather specify 11.6TF in full, and let people figure out by themselves that the difference is small.
 
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Hhhhttt

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It can’t possibly be 11.6 because everybody collectively told me I was full of shit, era burned me, called me fake news, and people threatened me.

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Tbh if it is 11.6 , foxynewsuk said that last year and hasn’t changed his opinion on it
 
I don't know I can see em tweaking it enough for it to be virtually 12, what with that expensive cooling solution they implemented.
But apparently, at least people like Gavin Stevens Gavin Stevens are being told that much, they've been having some thermal issues so far with the devkits, so we don't really know if they have that extra headroom to spare. And anyway, if it's 11.6TFs the difference is just negligible, so I don't think they would have a reason to push anything beyond its comfort zone, given that they seem to be pretty confident on another crucial part of the next-gen hardware, which is the SSD, meaning that, yeah, they may have a little lower TF count, but they are probably going to be higher spec-ed at other stuff, so no big deal.
 

Gavin Stevens

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Tbh if it is 11.6 , foxynewsuk said that last year and hasn’t changed his opinion on it

I found out about him the other day and after doing a little digging, he’s said everything from 11.6 up to 13.3, then suddenly back on the 11.6 train and telling everybody he was right all along.

It would be like asking me to give you a number between 1 and 10, then listing all of them, only to turn around and say “see, I said that number!”. It means jack when it comes down to it. If you pick something, stick to it. If you change your mind based on *reasons*, that’s totally fine, but stick to it. Don’t suddenly change as soon as something else comes out and try and convince your followers that you said that all along.

edit: for transparency, the figures I’ve mentioned are: guessing. Then had info, and was in the 10.5 to 11.5 range with it being on the lower to middle range there, then a new update came and it was 11.6. That’s not exactly a gulf of 11.6 - 13.3, and I’ve only changed my thoughts once when I got actual data.
 
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Gavin Stevens

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But apparently, at least people like Gavin Stevens Gavin Stevens are being told that much, they've been having some thermal issues so far with the devkits, so we don't really know if they have that extra headroom to spare. And anyway, if it's 11.6TFs the difference is just negligible, so I don't think they would have a reason to push anything beyond its comfort zone, given that they seem to be pretty confident on another crucial part of the next-gen hardware, which is the SSD, meaning that, yeah, they may have a little lower TF count, but they are probably going to be higher spec-ed at other stuff, so no big deal.

That’s just it... 11.6 with heat dispersion not working to full efficiency being a factor means work needs to be done otherwise no room to spare. That’s a common sense point to arrive on. The SX for comparison, is pushing 12 and over (figure not yet known), but from everybody I’ve spoken to, including public leaks, chats and what have you, the damn thing is near silent, AND cool. Which means possible headroom to adjust if required.

So we could still be looking at the SX pushing a little further, and them saying “12” and not “12.0” is for this very reason.

edit: the above is the reason why people get pissed when it’s mentioned. Well if the SX can up then so can Sony! This isn’t adding water to a bathtub, this is adding water to a cup, and the cup can only hold so much before you need... a new cup.
 
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azertydu91

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That’s just it... 11.6 with heat dispersion not working to full efficiency being a factor means work needs to be done otherwise no room to spare. That’s a common sense point to arrive on. The SX for comparison, is pushing 12 and over (figure not yet known), but from everybody I’ve spoken to, including public leaks, chats and what have you, the damn thing is near silent, AND cool. Which means possible headroom to adjust if required.

So we could still be looking at the SX pushing a little further, and them saying “12” and not “12.0” is for this very reason.

edit: the above is the reason why people get pissed when it’s mentioned. Well if the SX can up then so can Sony! This isn’t adding water to a bathtub, this is adding water to a cup, and the cup can only hold so much before you need... a new cup.
I think people are mostly frustrated of not getting enough info and so target people that seem to know more (like what happened to you).

And it has become worse since coronavirus because it creates a cocktail or fear frustration and overthinking exacerbated by staying home, so they take it on insiders they disagree with.

Barely knowing anything about ps5 is too frustrating for some than any insider coming with a "bad" news to their platform open the gates of anger.But the worst king is the people angry about a good news for the other "side".
 
That’s just it... 11.6 with heat dispersion not working to full efficiency being a factor means work needs to be done otherwise no room to spare. That’s a common sense point to arrive on. The SX for comparison, is pushing 12 and over (figure not yet known), but from everybody I’ve spoken to, including public leaks, chats and what have you, the damn thing is near silent, AND cool. Which means possible headroom to adjust if required.

So we could still be looking at the SX pushing a little further, and them saying “12” and not “12.0” is for this very reason.

edit: the above is the reason why people get pissed when it’s mentioned. Well if the SX can up then so can Sony! This isn’t adding water to a bathtub, this is adding water to a cup, and the cup can only hold so much before you need... a new cup.
Exactly, I mean on the SX even the form factor screams heat dispersion. It's obviously been built with that in mind and the fact that it apparently is really silent and cool (people can think is hearsay, but when you read the same thing over and over again, that starts to be a pattern), then you just arrive at that very same conclusion, they have headroom, they very likely are in a position where they can upclock if they feel they need to. But then again, people shouldn't be that worried about it, it just tells one part of the story, the software side of things, since both machines are probably going to end up being so close to each other, is going to be crucial, and anyone who is a Sony fan should be quite relaxed in that regard. You just know you're going to get quality stuff.
 

THE:MILKMAN

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I'm struggling to comprehend how a small (yes it is small!) XSX case can be both 12TF and run cool and quiet yet the relatively big (2-3 times the volume of XSX) PS5 'V' dev kit is both lower in TF, loud and susceptible to crashing? Surely Sony aren't that incompetent? The APUs are going to be near identical! Also apart from the images of the rear of the XSX (right after AMD's cock-up at CES!), we have no impressions or pictures of it 'in the field'. I find it weird given the comprehensive and consistent spec leaks.
 

ethomaz

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Actually I think waiting for this long after MS showed their cards, was already the bad idea.

And there's no need blaming Corona Virus for it, there was enough time...
I believe it is the best ideia.
MS cards steady faded and nobody talks about it.

Siny is still the company everybody knows what they will do and there a lot of time to do that.

That is pure marketing.
 
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I think people are mostly frustrated of not getting enough info and so target people that seem to know more (like what happened to you).

And it has become worse since coronavirus because it creates a cocktail or fear frustration and overthinking exacerbated by staying home, so they take it on insiders they disagree with.

Barely knowing anything about ps5 is too frustrating for some than any insider coming with a "bad" news to their platform open the gates of anger.But the worst king is the people angry about a good news for the other "side".
true but many of his attacks are githubbers. I noticed on RE when they posted his prediction all the githubbers attacked the person who posted it saying he is fake bla bla like CROAT which are very pro xbox and github and got that person banned for 3 days lol

so he is taking it from both sides which sucks lol
 

ethomaz

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I'm struggling to comprehend how a small (yes it is small!) XSX case can be both 12TF and run cool and quiet yet the relatively big (2-3 times the volume of XSX) PS5 'V' dev kit is both lower in TF, loud and susceptible to crashing? Surely Sony aren't that incompetent? The APUs are going to be near identical! Also apart from the images of the rear of the XSX (right after AMD's cock-up at CES!), we have no impressions or pictures of it 'in the field'. I find it weird given the comprehensive and consistent spec leaks.
There is fair different in design here.

MS choose a big tower with a big PC fan that is easy to cool.
Sony choose a normal console for factor were it is a bit trick to get the air flow rotating.

What MS anybody can do building a PC and having success with even stronger hardware.

Another point is that every leak up to now a big APU with lower clocks on MS side... high clocks means more issue with heat and cool and that is what Sony is facing.

If that turn true then MS moreCUs/biggerAPU/lowerclock will cost more than Sony lessCUs/smallerAPU/highclocks.

Like a 400mm2 APU can be 10-20% more expensive than a 350mm2 APU.
 
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azertydu91

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true but many of his attacks are githubbers. I noticed on RE when they posted his prediction all the githubbers attacked the person who posted it saying he is fake bla bla like CROAT which are very pro xbox and github and got that person banned for 3 days lol

so he is taking it from both sides which sucks lol
People are so starved for information they become stupid, react emotively and shoot the messenger but not once they think "hey if I don't like what he says maybe I can ignore it?"
Some of the smartest will argue and use numbers but since most of us can't understand those numbers it's like watching 2 physician argue about quantum theories we can recognize some words but can't understand shit.

And honestly if I had informations I'd shut the hell up seeing how lots of people act.

I think we need to be a bit more thankful to those insiders be them either right or wrong (I mean aside from those lunatics that claim either console is ultra powerful compared to the other) most insider point to very similar consoles so let's just enjoy games (even if some are bad as long as you like them).
 

Falc67

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I don't know I can see em tweaking it enough for it to be virtually 12, what with that expensive cooling solution they implemented.

It seems as though they’re using the cooling solution, which is why the latest devkit is not as hot/loud as the less powerful Devkit. As O’dium said, maybe they can’t push it any further?
 
Ok, this has to be your own Twitter account.

It would be like if I posted a random tweet from an account named 'HomerSimpsonMan' and expect people to care...even though practically no one follows this person.
It‘s not my twitter account. He and _rogame and redgamingtech have had conversations back and forth over this topic before, and HDRMADNESS is a popular tech-savvy poster on era, although with a different name. I’m not educated enough on this topic to say what the relevance of this is, if anything. We do know that Oberon B0 was listed in Github, but it is very strange to me that what we thought was Oberon C0, could actually be A0, if this finding Is factual.
 
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