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[thelastword]

I talking about specs, not who will make the better move.

I'm still talking about specs......Better design, better custom engineering nets you more efficient hardware, like the 20GB/s Side bus on PS4....Also, the company who is able to get better hardware perks, maybe some RDNA 3 hooks.....Sony was able to get Vega features in 2016.....Also Sony may have a better relationship with parts manufacturers to get better prices for their BOM, since they have partners all over in hardware and deals setup for ages.....They are also partly the developers of Bluray, so I'm thinking as a hardware company there are more deals Sony can get over MS in developing a piece of hardware/console.....
It's one of the reasons launch aligned they've always been ahead of MS.....

In 2013, they were able to deliver a more powerful consoles with better memory and 40% more power, with much more custom features over the competition for $100 less......That was after taking huge losses on PS3......That company is not dead, it made bank this gen and will make tonnes of money this year on PS4 hardware and software still.....There is no way they're not going unlimitless on PS5. I'm positive that they are going absolutely bonkers on hardware and features....

 

[TBiddy]

So now we've gone full circle and the PS5 has moved from RDNA1 to RDNA3. Jesus christ.

 

[lepermessiah]

Glorious Osiris hath come to bless us with the 12 tf + train, a taller dk, who'd have thought, bring on towers I say.

 

[Null_Key]

I predict the XBSX and PS5 will perform a Fusion Technique and will be 25 TF.

 

[Deeper Underground]

This thread is a hot mess good lord.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

So in the absence of the latest dev kit pictures, could OsirisBlack / HeisenbergFX4 load up Paint/Photoshop and do a 'artists impression'?

Liven up the thread!

 

[Null_Key]

Welcome to the club, where lies, rumors, and speculations are all real. Should have taken the blue pill instead of the red.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

So now we've gone full circle and the PS5 has moved from RDNA1 to RDNA3. Jesus christ.

Who knew AMD's financial analysts stage show was a day of reckoning.

It went from ~12 tf and unknown RDNA to 13-14tf RDNA 2, to now 15tf at RDNA 3.

 

[Lampiao]

What is pre silicon?

 

[Farrell55]

Some back of toilet paper calculations

original ps4 die size: 328 mm
size take by gpu: 88 mm
ps4 process: 28 nm
CUs count: 20

assuming things scale perfectly with 7 nm and Sony decides to keep the same die size and gpu budget

ps5 die size: 328 mm
ps5 process: 7 nm
size take by gpu: 88 mm
CUs that can be fitted in same size: 80 CUs ((20*88)/(88*7/28))
taking 50% CU effiecency into account puts performance at: 10.6 TFLOPS ((1.8*80/20)*1.5)

Edit: One thing not taken into account 800 Mhz original PS4 GPU frequency. Increasing that will also have a big impact

Die size of the ps4's Liverpool Soc is 348 mm2

AMD Playstation 4 GPU Specs

AMD Liverpool, 800 MHz, 1152 Cores, 72 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR5, 1375 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Xbox one is 358 mm2 both on 28nm

Maybe you confused ps4 soc with ps4 pro soc...Because pro soc is around 328 mm2 on 16nm

 

[Null_Key]

What is pre silicon?

Verifying/Validation of the design of the chip before production. Checks the usability of the chip.

 

[Moridianae]

Considering the warnings of this crisis getting worse before better, I look for Sony to not speak(or MS for that matter) till late April or May.

 

[CyberPanda]

What is pre silicon?

 

[01011001]

wait wait wait... Oberon being pre silicon tests, does this make its specs more likely to be final or less likely to be final target specs? or does it make any difference?

 

[Trumpstyle]

And they are so upset and sensitive when you don't accept their leaks too.....

I may prefer Sony, but I've never sat under neutrality even though I still buy most of the MS games that I talk about....Thing is, regardless, I will never come in here and try to lowball MS specs and say they are 8-9.2TF or say they are not on RDNA2 or say they do not have hardware raytracing when I know they are on RDNA 2.....I will not try to be the bearer of XBOX specs either, like some XBOX fans are here being the bearer of PS specs, whilst putting the odd....

XSX>PS5, I will bank on it.......XSX cooling is better and they have tonnes of headroom, whilst PS5 is at it's limit and hot......

And of course anybody who is not buying this is attacked and they run a hissy fit and talk of leaving.....If it's all a leak and you're are genuine about your info and you also admit that you are no leaker and just having fun, why does your fun run out when believe don't believe you or laugh at your jokes......

I will probably get PS5 on day 1 and if PS5 is 11TF that is great, if 9tf I think that is okey too. Ps5 could be 8tf and that would indeed be slightly disappointing. But if PS5 is 8 TF and the controller has a screen then I might be forced to buy Xbox.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

wait wait wait... Oberon being pre silicon tests, does this make its specs more likely to be final or less likely to be final target specs? or does it make any difference?

 

[LED Guy?]

What is pre silicon?

No CyberPanda , the post you posted was someone's speculations which are false, I really am weirded out by the way you act, when something that confirms your bias, you post it, when something that goes against your bias, you stay quiet and won't do anything....it's really weird, man, I know you have that Xbox Era discord with Spechal Ed, Colbert, Proelite, Tim Dog etc and all those guys but please, stop spreading misinformation like that.

What it really means is that it is pre-silicon, pre-silicon means virtual hardware, it means emulation, not the real hardware, it means that the PS5 is NOT a 9.2 TF console, it will be like what many insiders stated like 12 TFs or even more.

 

[01011001]

it's gettin harder and harder to keep up with new infos. not only with all the different insiders but also because now every other page is just straight up corona talk

 

[johnjohn]

No CyberPanda , the post you posted was someone's speculations which are false,

What it really means is that it is pre-silicon, pre-silicon means virtual hardware, it means emulation, not the real hardware, it means that the PS5 is NOT a 9.2 TF console, it will be like what many insiders stated like 12 TFs or even more.

11.6tfs is what insiders are saying. There's no reason to think it's 9.2.

 

[01011001]

so it's not just pre silicon tests... jesus this is getting very convoluted now

 

[TLZ]

So now we've gone full circle and the PS5 has moved from RDNA1 to RDNA3. Jesus christ.

Huh?

 

[Hhhhttt]

To be fair, after somebody mentioned him here I looked him up. Over the last year his numbers have been all over the place depending on the rumour of the day, from low all the way to 13.3. He’s hardly stuck with a single number.

I think that’s becuase he reports on rumours and then gives his opinions on it but in terms of “exclusive” information he’s always been in the 10-11 range

 

[TLZ]

I predict the XBSX and PS5 will perform a Fusion Technique and will be 25 TF.

 

[Rusco Da Vino]

So now we've gone full circle and the PS5 has moved from RDNA1 to RDNA3. Jesus christ.

Who knew AMD's financial analysts stage show was a day of reckoning.

It went from ~12 tf and unknown RDNA to 13-14tf RDNA 2, to now 15tf at RDNA 3.

FUD machine!

 

[Null_Key]

wait wait wait... Oberon being pre silicon tests, does this make its specs more likely to be final or less likely to be final target specs? or does it make any difference?

It doesn't mean anything to be honest. When dealing with chip design, there are more than one SOC/Chip sets going through validation process. Some will fail, some will pass, and some will be disregarded. It's a testing phase of how well the chips work, it could be the final design or it could just be a test for practical use. Even when they are fabricated, there might be more than one choices, its hard to say what Sony will ultimately will choose. Most companies will have a few choices to choose from a final designed product. Cost, market analysis, competition all factors in before manufacturing contract is sent out to fabrication plants. Considering lack of news from companies such as Foxconn, etc the final specs are still probably close to Sony's chest.

 

[bitbydeath]

Huh?

Probably an Xbox discord meme

 

[M.Night Shyamalan]

In Osiris I trust.....

 

[CyberPanda]

so it's not just pre silicon tests... jesus this is getting very convoluted now

Yep

 

[Lng0004]

I predict the XBSX and PS5 will perform a Fusion Technique and will be 25 TF.

That's not how it works. It'd be at least (12+12) x 10 = 240TF.

 

[Moses85]

Prominent first party developer excited about his company's next generation platform. Who would have thought!!!???

Definitely

 

[Hatsuma]

Why do people think that a tiny screen that you can't see without taking your eyes off of a game is some great enhancement to gaming?

Maybe the allows access to menu without needing to pause. Peculiar attachment that sounds like a battery drainer

 

[saintjules]

Well well well.... finally, now we can focus on what will the PS5 be from 11 to 13 TFs.

We told you guys, Kleegamefan, Jason Schreier, Matt from ResetEra, OsirisBlack and even our buddy @o'dium here told us things that disproves the GitHub leaks, they were all pre-silicon.

Make sure you screenshot it since the account is private (I can see it)

 

[IntentionalPun]

Maybe the allows access to menu without needing to pause.

Why not just, not pause the game, and have said menu show up on the TV I'm already looking at? You don't need to pause a game for a menu to pop up; if you have to look away from the screen anyways, what is the point?

 

[Hatsuma]

Why not just, not pause the game, and have said menu show up on the TV I'm already looking at? You don't need to pause a game for a menu to pop up; if you have to look away from the screen anyways, what is the point?

I don't disagree. It sounds like an unnecessary battery drainer. Just speculating on what they may use it for

 

[01011001]

Well well well.... finally, now we can focus on what will the PS5 be from 11 to 13 TFs.

We told you guys, Kleegamefan, Jason Schreier, Matt from ResetEra, OsirisBlack and even our buddy @o'dium here told us things that disproves the GitHub leaks, they were all pre-silicon.

 

[LED Guy?]

Yup this further proves that it is convoluted and it being pre-silicon.

Make sure you screenshot it since the account is private (I can see it)

Oh he made his account protected, this is the tweet, I did screenshot the tweet.

 

[01011001]

Yup this further proves that it is convoluted and it being pre-silicon.

how? how does them testing on actual silicon prove that it is pre-silicon? what?

 

[siekro1983]

Good news for ps5 being a beast with the best exclusives.

 

[PaintTinJr]

Why not just, not pause the game, and have said menu show up on the TV I'm already looking at? You don't need to pause a game for a menu to pop up; if you have to look away from the screen anyways, what is the point?

I'm not sure if you owned a WiiU and played the original Splatoon, but the loss of pad map in the Switch sequel is a massive loss to the playability (IMHO). Being able to keep one eye on teamates and where paint was being put down - along with nolonger being able to arbitarily jump to a spot without the touchscreen map reduced the playability and the strategy choices for me. There was plenty of uses for pad screen that never saw light of day IMO because of the short life of the WiiU. The games that did successfully use it were better for it IMO, such as the Wonderful 101 and Batman Origin to name two more off the top of my head.

Even just to have info telling us console screen resolution, HDR enabled, audio mode, wifi network, NAT level, signed in, showing as signed in status, etc would probably good usage IMO. Obviously, ever since sony showcased a GT5 prototype use of a PSP as a rear mirror/wing mirror, a chase cam view would be nice, and not even for just games like GT, but games like Bomberman Kart(Ps2) or Modnation Racers(Ps3) where rockets are chasing

 

[GlassAwful]

Covid-19 has really thrown a wet blanket on the nextgen hype machine.

We probably got at least 4+ weeks of silence coming our way. Maybe even May or June before they start talking again.

No way anyone would risk making announcements that would get drowned out by the latest pandemic news. Not to mention the need to pivot plans because of the looming recession.

. Weeks and weeks of more TFs, githubs and insiders... Damn I just want this to be over..

 

[LED Guy?]

how? how does them testing on actual silicon prove that it is pre-silicon? what?

Nope, this is his speculation, he doesn’t really know, the data is contradicting itself, and it said “regression tests” meaning emulation tests, and it lines up perfectly with what AMD has said in their latest RDNA 2 event, stop it man, there are too many contradictions, missing context, outdated info right now, and you don’t want to even listen to developers like BGs in here telling you the PS5 is NOT 9.2 TF console but you are STILL adamant about it being that it is 9.2 TF, which it isn’t.

We now have concrete evidence that states that the leak is dead in front of your eyes, and we have many real verified insiders saying that it isn’t GitHub leak, it WAS at a point in time, but it isn’t now, Kleegamefan and Matt the developer who is a moderator at ResetEra are all saying otherwise.

All of that evidence and information and you are STILL fighting against it and denying it?

Man....at this point, even if Mark Cerny himself came out stating PS5 = 12 TFs, you would still say “but GitHub”....stop it man.

 

[Burrito Bandito]

11.6tfs is what insiders are saying. There's no reason to think it's 9.2.

insiders are word of mouth and the 9.2 is raw data.

 

[Fake]

insiders are word of mouth and the 9.2 is raw data.

A data you can't even translate. Words vs numbers. Like Cerny saying there is a RT on PS5 and numbers saying PS5 don't have RT.

 

[Null_Key]

Yup this further proves that it is convoluted and it being pre-silicon.

Oh he made his account protected, this is the tweet, I did screenshot the tweet.

Correction, it died long ago, just some fanboys refused to believe. I doubt this will change there mind though, the 9.2 TF force is strong within them, and if they were to realize the truth, my God we might have jonestown 2.0

 

[Self High Five]

No CyberPanda , the post you posted was someone's speculations which are false, I really am weirded out by the way you act, when something that confirms your bias, you post it, when something that goes against your bias, you stay quiet and won't do anything....it's really weird, man, I know you have that Xbox Era discord with Spechal Ed, Colbert, Proelite, Tim Dog etc and all those guys but please, stop spreading misinformation like that.

What it really means is that it is pre-silicon, pre-silicon means virtual hardware, it means emulation, not the real hardware, it means that the PS5 is NOT a 9.2 TF console, it will be like what many insiders stated like 12 TFs or even more.

Post went from 0 to 100 real quick lol

 

[Null_Key]

insiders are word of mouth and the 9.2 is raw data.

I heard therapy works wonders these days

 

[siekro1983]

Covid-19 has really thrown a wet blanket on the nextgen hype machine.

We probably got at least 4+ weeks of silence coming our way. Maybe even May or June before they start talking again.

No way anyone would risk making announcements that would get drowned out by the latest pandemic news. Not to mention the need to pivot plans because of the looming recession.

. Weeks and weeks of more TFs, githubs and insiders... Damn I just want this to be over..

Most gamers want a ps5, so you can't be hyped for what you can't see.

 

[Physiognomonics]

insiders are word of mouth and the 9.2 is raw data.

Data can mean many things depending how you interpret it. This one is no exception.

 

[Hatsuma]

Yup this further proves that it is convoluted and it being pre-silicon.

Oh he made his account protected, this is the tweet, I did screenshot the tweet.

The plot certainly thickens... Whelp we will certainly see. So many insiders, industry guys, strong second contacts, hell a verified dev, have been contrary to git hub.

Either the data is correct n they're all lying (including Schreier with his near perfect hit rate on rumors n inside info. BGs who has a dev kit unless I'm misinformed. The names plenty) or GitHub's data is inaccurate to Ps5 current specs/issues is with context.

 

[Night.Ninja]

Why do people who believe the 9.2TF is not real keep bringing it?

If you dont believe it stop talking about it