splattered
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What if Tommy Fisher knew the exact XsX specs but not the PS5... he threw out "ps5 is more powerful" type leak to get people hyped for ps5 and then self banned to avoid the meltdown when the XsX became true but the ps5 did not?
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Agnostic2020
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Thats also possible
Reindeer
Member
Tommy Fisher > OsirisBlack
SaltyMcSalt
Banned
Sony and 2.0Ghz? Here we go again with hair dryer and vacuum cleaner noises.
splattered
Member
XsX does NOT HAVE Wifi6
Where are the wireless specs listed? I must have missed that piece some
LiquidRex
Member
Regards to the CPU clock I meant to say the 3.8 clock was NOT expected.
Agnostic2020
Member
Well from bloomberg we know they have premium cooling system so hopefully that helps
Dodkrake
Banned
I may be talking out of my ass, but didn't the new promotion material (ignore tech specs, those are not promo things) ignore the 12tf?
And I'm just purely talking marketing here. MS is pushing the power angle, not the game angle. They may have that one up their sleeve, but historically PS has had the better exclusives. If they don't nail the power angle, it WILL backfire hugely.
My opinion is: this is a very risky marketing strategy that can backfire. I don't care if it does, because MS selling 10 or 100M means nothing to me, but it will mean to them.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Ruh roh
Yeah I'm imagining ERA mods, admins and "favored posters" are pretty mad right now that Tommy didn't post that leak over there. Of course it's super-easy to say in hindsight tho I can't deny it's kinda tasty seeing karma do its thing.
I don't know why they'd need to reiterate 12TF when they have established that already weeks ago, and the DF video gives the number anyhow. Dunno what promotional material you're talking about, I've just watched the latest DF video on it.
As far as exclusives go, honestly I think it's debatable because it depends on how far we're going back, and whether you count only 1st-party studios or throw 3rd-party exclusives into the mix. Sony definitely had the better exclusives this gen overall in most areas, particularly single-player story-driven games, but they didn't start this gen off very strongly outside of say InFamous 2nd Son; it took until Bloodborne and Uncharted 4 for the 1st party games to hit a consistent quality.
And if the news with Naughty Dog's shitty work environment (and questionable junior-to-senior team ratio and turnover) news is true, then we shouldn't go into next gen just automatically assuming the state of 1st-party titles between Sony and MS will stay the same as it's been this current gen, either. Especially seeing how a lot of top Sony talent are now at MS studios like The Initiative, and we've already seen what really good teams like Ninja Theory can do on small team sizes and simply modest budgets (people tend to forget Hellblade only had like $12 million for its budget and a really small team size, probably smaller than Shenmue III's, even).
So that front is actually up in the air going into next-gen.
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Sony filed the patent last year for a cartridge looks similar to XSX expansion cardhttp://www.pushsquare.com/news/2019...tion_cartridge_upgradable_ssd_storage_for_ps5
Kazekage1981
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demigod
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Gudji
Member
That was for a sony device that is sold in japan, can't remember the name.
But yeah I could see them going with something similar since it seems these SSDs will be soldered into the motherboard.
Sinthor
Gold Member
Good grief...with the noise complaints. Users- 'We want more POOOOWWEEERRR!" Then also Users- "OW! It hurts our EARSES, precious!"
"Filthy, stupid...Sonyses! They hurts us, precious!"
Gamerguy84
Member
Series X is a damn beast. (Wont call it SeX because thats just weird)
The ball is in Sonys court. Lets see what they got. Im inclined to believe MS has the hardware advantage because Phil has made that a priority
Everyone knows Sony dominates on games, we have the same multiplat plus Sony WWS is second to no one.
I personally want the PS5 to be as powerful as it can be but I dont care if its slightly less to XBOX because Im a fan but not a fanboy warrior. People like Timdog just embarrass the shit out of themselves.
My household will stay as it always is. PS for me, PC for me and daughter, and Nintendo Switch.
The ball is in Sonys court. Lets see what they got. Im inclined to believe MS has the hardware advantage because Phil has made that a priority
Everyone knows Sony dominates on games, we have the same multiplat plus Sony WWS is second to no one.
I personally want the PS5 to be as powerful as it can be but I dont care if its slightly less to XBOX because Im a fan but not a fanboy warrior. People like Timdog just embarrass the shit out of themselves.
My household will stay as it always is. PS for me, PC for me and daughter, and Nintendo Switch.
Audiophile
Gold Member
My current guess for PS5 would be 44/48CU @ 2GHz for 11.26TF.
Even given a slight TFlop deficit, the higher clock; if it were paired with equal or better RAM and a superior SSD solution...I'd suspect it would at least match the XSX.
Fill-rate, front-end saturation and (stronger bandwidth/TF ratio) will fare very well.
Even given a slight TFlop deficit, the higher clock; if it were paired with equal or better RAM and a superior SSD solution...I'd suspect it would at least match the XSX.
Fill-rate, front-end saturation and (stronger bandwidth/TF ratio) will fare very well.
Daniel_Mallorca1985
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Dodkrake
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Microsoft have locked their specs down, and are ready to manufacturer... Sony will have too, but if Sony remain silent then I would think the PS5 is less in power over the XSX and Sony.
The die leaks to the XSX have been correct... The leaks of the PS5 die have been smaller, smaller die less CU's
That's why I think the PS5 will be 9.2tfs 36CUs, high clock hence elaborate cooling solution.
The CPU in the XSX is locked at 3.8 which was expected... Will be interesting what the CPU on the PS5 will be clocked at
I would love both consoles to be close in power.. But I just don't see it, until Sony confirm one way or the other
The leaks have not been correct at all, at least the "github" ones you are basing yourself on. The CU count for the XBox was 56 (probably 4 disabled, meaning 60 total) and the clocks were way lower. The PS5 leaks are for a regression test, we don't know if it's the full chip.
In the end, the PS5 may end up being 9.2TF, but the leaks are not correct in regards to what is now known.
HawarMiran
Banned
I am gently nibbling on the Fishers hook. Not biting yet.
MarkMe2525
Banned
50tf of POOOWWEERRRR........at 8bit precision 
M.Night Shyamalan
Member
I had some respect for John, I mean I loved the guys retro work. But deflecting what he was asked about DF covering PS5 and RDNA2... now here he is parading the Series X. Dont worry DF, now we know why you want to keep touting Github and RDNA1. Or even GCN.
Kazekage1981
Member
If XsX does not have Wifi6 then PS5 wont have it either!!!
why????????????????
why????????????????
MisterXDTV
Member
There is this incredibile thing called ethernet cable. If you are far from the router you will never get faster speed than gigabit ethernet on Wifi
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01011001
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Xbox One X dev kits used the whole chip with all CUs active.
meaning it would make perfect sense for git hub tests for dev kits to run 56CUs while the final retail hardware only has 52 active.
clocks can change all the time. it makes sense to slowly raise them and see if the system still runs stable enough.
nothing in today's news changes anything about that leaked GPU test.
active CU counts and clock speeds are the easiest to change, you can literally change that with the push of a button.
so months old tests using lower clocks isn't something that's in any way impossible, and since MS uses all CUs in dev kits it's also not at all weird to see tests with 56 CUs active
Insane Metal
Member
PS5 will probably have more RAM than XSX IMO.
18+4.
18+4.
Agnostic2020
Member
Well to be fair its sonys fault they got so close to MS . Do you want them to drop the opportunity to reveal xsx to cover rdna2 for ps5 when sony hasn't talked yet ?
Lets be realistic
MarkMe2525
Banned
13.5 for games. They stated how the resume feature works and that game state is held on nvme sdd. Also 100gb of data is paged in a way for quick access to be used as a virtual ram (cache) for texture streaming to alleviate ram capacity concerns. Cool if it works well. I expect something similar for Sony.
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Farrell55
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Oh boy he is allready exposed and had loosing his face badly same goes for Amateurelite formerly known as "Proelite"
After Ps5 Reveal they will be nothing more than a joke
James Sawyer Ford
Member
So Tommy is legit? He nailed the CU and frequency for XSX when nobody else did. A lot of folks assumed higher than 52 CUs
SlimySnake
13 TF making a whole lot of sense
confirmed by Benji too
SlimySnake
13 TF making a whole lot of sense
confirmed by Benji too
SSfox
Member
Everything makes sense know
Castlevania exclusive on PS5
Or I'm crazy.
WTF WTTTFFFFFFFFFFf WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
No way it's true, that would be too good to be true
But for fun:
"So calm this spooky night. A symphony of rumors - not one, but two - return from shadow. A resistance to dart home as black monsters escape twisted hills to wander lands and syphon souls. Filter your candy collections, soft from solid, and be eco-friendly. Have a metal Halloween. "
So many well know & iconic games you can get from that Bluepoint tweet:
Castlevania Symphony of Night
Syphon Filter
Metal Gear Solid
Demon Souls
Twisted Metal
Eco-Friendly = Ico?
Still hard for me to believe Sony would buy the IPs from Konami, i think they still do some money from those in those Pachinko machines. Tho i can see a deal for an exclusive/ or time exclusive game like they did with Crash Bandicoot Reboot.
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Reindeer
Member
Totally, this was the biggest surprise since I don't think anyone saw it coming.
Dodkrake
Banned
Well, let's start by ascertaining that once you fire a marketing plot, you stick with it. If you are selling 12TF, it needs to be slapped everywhere. Just look at Apple as a very big example on marketing and (subpar) quality.
As for games, another discussion, another place, but interesting that you say a lot of Sony staff moved to MS and then all the news regarding the "shady work environments". I know they exist, but I find the timing amazing.
Anyway, let's hope for two equally powerful machines that can provide us with amazing content for 6 or 7 years.
MisterXDTV
Member
Ok but when the official Xbox Site links directly to your site, your credibility is shaken to say the least
Xbox Series X: A Closer Look at the Technology Powering the Next Generation - Xbox Wire
A few months ago, we revealed Xbox Series X, our fastest, most powerful console ever, designed for a console generation that has you, the player, at its center. When it is released this holiday season, Xbox Series X will set a new bar for performance, speed and compatibility, all while allowing...
news.xbox.com
not one but TWO direct links to DigitalFoundry
Nickolaidas
Member
Yup.
I admit I'm one of the people who gave Tommy Fisher a LOT of shit for his leaks and was a grade-A asshole towards him.
Tommy, I'm sorry for being an ass, man. You were right, I was wrong.
Mea culpa.
Luquinhadesu
Neo Member
Although I prefer PlayStation over Xbox, I wasn't inclined to believe PS to be 13TF. I was expecting something 11~11.5 this whole time. But this Tommy Fisher dude leak is bothering me.
How the hell did he nailed GPU specs down to the dot? That's not a guess. It would be the luckiest guess I've ever seen.
We have three options.
He either had the exact numbers for XsX but just an idea for PS5 numbers based on a few sources.
He had exact numbers for both, somehow.
He had for XsX but not for PS5 and is just trolling everyone.
I am going with the first option. I think he made PS5 numbers based on a few sources, but final spec won't be what he said. It will be close, tho. But over 13TF? That's hard to believe.
How the hell did he nailed GPU specs down to the dot? That's not a guess. It would be the luckiest guess I've ever seen.
We have three options.
He either had the exact numbers for XsX but just an idea for PS5 numbers based on a few sources.
He had exact numbers for both, somehow.
He had for XsX but not for PS5 and is just trolling everyone.
I am going with the first option. I think he made PS5 numbers based on a few sources, but final spec won't be what he said. It will be close, tho. But over 13TF? That's hard to believe.
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Insane Metal
Member
You forgot Silent Hill(s).
Dodkrake
Banned
So what you are saying is that stuff changes all the time and that the GitHub leaks regarding the PS5 may not correspond to the actual true console. Good, just to be clear.
Also, it makes no sense to be testing the full CU count on a lower clock when YOU KNOW you will need to cut 4 or 6 CU's for yield reasons. It's like testing a car in a wind tunel with a super duper spoiler, tune the aero, and then remove it and release it.
Dr Strange
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Did tommy say anything about Bluepoint next project outside of Demon's Souls remake?!
xPikYx
Member
Talking about Microsoft, respect for delivering us a very nice piece of tech, well done MS
Sony's turn: they keep quiet because tgey have something to be proud of, Tommy fisher was right all over XsX specs and already gave us what AMD confirmed recently, PS5 is on RDNA2, I would give Tommy some credit and believe PS5 is 13.3 until the final reveal
Sony's turn: they keep quiet because tgey have something to be proud of, Tommy fisher was right all over XsX specs and already gave us what AMD confirmed recently, PS5 is on RDNA2, I would give Tommy some credit and believe PS5 is 13.3 until the final reveal
DJ12
Member
You would like to think that I'm sure.Microsoft have locked their specs down, and are ready to manufacturer... Sony will have too, but if Sony remain silent then I would think the PS5 is less in power over the XSX and Sony.
But one company is in a rush to get their information out before the other.
If what you said had any sort of truth to it, 100% sure they would be shouting they have built the most powerful console ever from the roof tops. Yet they aren't.
Still only referring to at as "our most powerful"
Sony's silence is simple, they don't feel like announcing while the world is suffering.
They were due to announce in Feb, plans change. MS are using their silence to get as much mindshare as they possibly can as they know even if PS5 is less powerful (Which they currently don't think will be) PlayStation as a brand are going to steamroller anything they've announced to everyone other than hardcore gamers.
You really think MS wanted series x to be laid bare before the end of march?
Mochilador
Member
Xbox Series X right now:
Actually, they have started calling it 'The' most powerful console.
You think MS didn't want the specs out before the end of March?
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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The timing isn't really that peculiar; there were already rumors about ND issues like a year or two ago, and those earlier ones involved Neil Druckmann directly. I don't think any of this latest stuff is something nefarious or as some inside dig at Sony, just moreso following up on a trend of focus regarding workplace conditions in the gaming industry. Never mind that Jason Schreir's the one who decided to dig in, and he's pretty fond of PlayStation (as am I). Not at exclusion of Xbox, but I don't think he has any angle against PlayStation in doing the Naughty Dog write-up.
Plus it was several people at the studio, who seemingly are relaying things from a wide range of a time period particularly on TLOU2 development, so I just think it is what it is and hopefully ND can weather the story, and fix up their internal issues.
But yes, exciting times ahead for both systems that should be pretty on-par with each other in performance and features, and hopefully gaming content as well. Can't wait for them to launch!
Insane Metal
I think 16 + 4 is more likely but the question is will it have more bandwidth and what the bus width is. Even on 256-bit bus they can get more bandwidth if they go with a flush of 18Gbps or even 20Gbps (tho who is making those at this time?) chips. And maybe the DDR4 could be sufficient enough to have the OS handle that so you have 16GB GDDR6 fully available for games
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01011001
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yes, these tests are not necessarily final specs... that should be pretty clear
these tests were done before Microsoft announced 12TF. so it makes absolutely perfect sense to raise clocks slowly and push as high as possible.
if their hardware wouldn't have been able to run at 12TF with 4 deactivated CUs they would have announced a different number, but they were able to reach that number 12.1TF and that's what they're then giving us as their final specs.
if they would have been able to push for 13 then that would have been the advertised number.
all the leaks regarding the higher PS5 dev kit numbers, the ones reaching up to 13TF also stated that dev kits changed their clocks all the time and the hardware got more and more powerful with each new dev kit iteration.
if you now question the possibility of Microsoft literally doing this exact same thing, then you literally also have to also distrust every single leaker who said that Sony is doing that exact thing.
Judd Nelson
Neo Member
Pretty sure it's Demon's Souls. Even Jason Scheier is hinting at it.
FERN
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I agree with this
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