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[Kazekage1981]

Its still shit trust me 16gb is shiiiit not for a next gen console amd defientely makes 12 teraflops useless

Baby calm down. This is the reason why I didnt buy PS4Pro (which is why I will buy PS5), it was not a well rounded system. Yes games are great and blah blah, but it did not read 4k ultra Blu-ray disk, had same amount of RAM but higher bandwidth, with mild improvements to CPU and GPU and it was enough for it to have noticeable improvement in graphics. I am sure the specs of XsX and even Xbone X will give leverage to MSFT to make fantastic looking games.

 

[Shangounchained]

Aren’t you the guy who was trying to say you could calculate how many FPS a console could do based on its RAM alone?

Yes exactly do the math, its 560gb/s of 10gb means 10gb is reserved for games thats 560/30fps = 18gb but you cant see the 18gb per frame because the silly ram only holds 10gb

 

[Shangounchained]

Yes

Come on, you must know 4K gaming requires much more ram than 1080p, which is the default for this old gen. Just check out Techpowerup game system reviews. When you add in RT and next gen features, games are going to eat into that VRAM fast.

Yes your extra ram will help you for higher resolutions but the assets are still console assets

 

[CJY]

Spot who didn't watch the video

I watched the video twice and a lot of the measures seems to be implemented to mitigate the limited RAM. Yeah, those innovations are great and all, but more RAM would have been even better.

 

[octiny]

Didnt they say the next nvidia and amd card will be 24-48gb

NVIDIA Ampere: GeForce RTX 3080 Ti is 40% faster than RTX 2080 Ti

NVIDIA Ampere rumors suggest 10nm node, Q4 2020 launch, 40% faster than GeForce RTX 2080 Ti.

www.tweaktown.com

Latest rumors have the 3080 Ti @ 12GB, with the cards under it coming in @ 10GB or 8GB.

The only thing that's getting more than that from Nvidia will be the Quadro line. Possibly 24GB for a Ampere Titan (@ $2500+) as well.

 

[TBiddy]

Thread of the year? I think so. Holt shit this is painful to read.

 

[Shangounchained]

Baby calm down. This is the reason why I didnt buy PS4Pro (which is why I will buy PS5), it was not a well rounded system. Yes games are great and blah blah, but it did not read 4k ultra Blu-ray disk, had same amount of RAM but higher bandwidth, with mild improvements to CPU and GPU and it was enough for it to have noticeable improvement in graphics. I am sure the specs of XsX and even Xbone X will give leverage to MSFT to make fantastic looking games.

Yes the games will look better but not enough for a generational leap, were talking about a ps5 here.

 

[Shangounchained]

NVIDIA Ampere: GeForce RTX 3080 Ti is 40% faster than RTX 2080 Ti

NVIDIA Ampere rumors suggest 10nm node, Q4 2020 launch, 40% faster than GeForce RTX 2080 Ti.

www.tweaktown.com

Latest rumors have the 3080 Ti 12GB, with the cards under it coming in @ 8GB.

The only thing that's getting more than that from Nvidia will be the Quadro line. Possibly 24GB for a Ampere Titan (@ $2500+) as well.

Fake rumour.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Yes

Yes your extra ram will help you for higher resolutions but the assets are still console assets

Point is, it's a new gen with RT and other memory sapping use cases.

8gb was good 8 years ago. Just doubling that now and taking 2.5gb away for the OS doesnt seem great and is probably a cost saving feature like another poster mentioned.

 

[Shangounchained]

Come on, you must know 4K gaming requires much more ram than 1080p, which is the default for this old gen. Just check out Techpowerup game system reviews. When you add in RT and next gen features, games are going to eat into that VRAM fast.

Exactly but rtx and all that make up doesnt mean next gen, i wamt the assets to be next gen not jusy eflections and anti aliasing.

 

[Kazekage1981]

Yes the games will look better but not enough for a generational leap, were talking about a ps5 here.

The games we are seeing are Minecraft and current gen. Now that we got the tech specs out of the way, we can finally get on the Microsoft hype train and focus on games. They still have a lot more to reveal and it should be mostly be on its software and its ecosystem. We should be thanking the video game godz that rain finally came giving us the info we were so curious about. LOL

 

[Shangounchained]

Point is, it's a new gen with RT and other memory sapping use cases.

8gb was good 8 years ago. Just doubling that now and taking 2.5gb away for the OS doesnt seem great and is probably a cost saving feature like another poster mentioned.

Its a cost saving feature but we suffer not microsoft. More ram means better graphics its simple as that.

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

16GB is an absolute joke. It's pathetic. If that's to be shared between CPU + GPU then it's even worse.

On PC I've seen games use as much as 13GB RAM and 7GB VRAM. So what chance of earth do these new consoles have?

Imo, 22GB should be the minimum. 16GB for CPU and 6GB for GPU.

We keep hearing about how these consoles will run at 4K and how people want 60-120fps. Yeah, not with 16GB RAM. 4K eats a shit load of memory due to textures and the higher the frame rate the higher the frame buffer in VRAM.

16GB is just not enough. Say the OS uses 2-3GB well that's you lost 13-19% straight away. 13-14GB is very little to work with.

Sure, it's a big improvement over what we have now but I just hope people keep their expectations in check. It'll be a case of high resolution OR Frame rate.

4k 30fps. 1440p 60fps, 1080p 120fps. I reckon those would be the standards for most games. Some games could hit 4k 120fps but it would be the exception not the rule.

Microsoft + Sony really know how to spin bullshit and console owners are lapping it right up and asking for more. When they are confronted with facts they are in pure denial.

 

[octiny]

Fake rumour.

Alright, I'm done this thread after 1 post

Pack it up bois, time to throw all your 2080 & 2080 Ti's in the trash now

How is this guy not banned yet? Every thread he creates, my poor brain cells.

 

[Shangounchained]

The games we are seeing are Minecraft and current gen. Now that we got the tech specs out of the way, we can finally get on the Microsoft hype train and focus on games. They still have a lot more to reveal and it should be mostly be on its software and its ecosystem. We should be thanking the video game godz that rain finally came giving us the info we were so curious about. LOL

Nope bro the 16gb tells the whole story just wait for quick load times amd faster lod pop ins nothing more the graphics womt look next gen as everyone thinks.

 

[Bolivar687]

You guys realize the 2080 Ti has 11GB, yes?

 

[Kazekage1981]

16GB is an absolute joke. It's pathetic. If that's to be shared between CPU + GPU then it's even worse.

On PC I've seen games use as much as 13GB RAM and 7GB VRAM. So what chance of earth do these new consoles have?

Imo, 22GB should be the minimum. 16GB for CPU and 6GB for GPU.

We keep hearing about how these consoles will run at 4K and how people want 60-120fps. Yeah, not with 16GB RAM. 4K eats a shit load of memory due to textures and the higher the frame rate the higher the frame buffer in VRAM.

16GB is just not enough. Say the OS uses 2-3GB well that's you lost 13-19% straight away. 13-14GB is very little to work with.

Sure, it's a big improvement over what we have now but I just hope people keep their expectations in check. It'll be a case of high resolution OR Frame rate.

4k 30fps. 1440p 60fps, 1080p 120fps. I reckon those would be the standards for most games. Some games could hit 4k 120fps but it would be the exception not the rule.

Microsoft + Sony really know how to spin bullshit and console owners are lapping it right up and asking for more. When they are confronted with facts they are in pure denial.

its the end of the world as you know it! preach brotha!

 

[Shangounchained]

16GB is an absolute joke. It's pathetic. If that's to be shared between CPU + GPU then it's even worse.

On PC I've seen games use as much as 13GB RAM and 7GB VRAM. So what chance of earth do these new consoles have?

Imo, 22GB should be the minimum. 16GB for CPU and 6GB for GPU.

We keep hearing about how these consoles will run at 4K and how people want 60-120fps. Yeah, not with 16GB RAM. 4K eats a shit load of memory due to textures and the higher the frame rate the higher the frame buffer in VRAM.

16GB is just not enough. Say the OS uses 2-3GB well that's you lost 13-19% straight away. 13-14GB is very little to work with.

Sure, it's a big improvement over what we have now but I just hope people keep their expectations in check. It'll be a case of high resolution OR Frame rate.

4k 30fps. 1440p 60fps, 1080p 120fps. I reckon those would be the standards for most games. Some games could hit 4k 120fps but it would be the exception not the rule.

Microsoft + Sony really know how to spin bullshit and console owners are lapping it right up and asking for more. When they are confronted with facts they are in pure denial.

Well said 16gb is shit complete and utter shit, the story about spider mam loading fast domt mean shit im not interested on how fast shit graphics load im interested in seeing proper graphics and that comes with more memory.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Yes the games will look better but not enough for a generational leap, were talking about a ps5 here.

Oh Jesus wept

 

[PhoenixTank]

Thanks for the thread, I needed a good laugh in these uncertain times.

 

[Shangounchained]

You guys realize the 2080 Ti has 11GB, yes?

2080ti has 11gb simply to run current games whic use 5-8gb of assets quicker means more fps more resolution but not next gen assets

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

Having a 12TF GPU is fine but what good is it if you bottleneck it with a weak CPU (doesn't matter if it's zen 2) and small amount of ram.

 

[Stuart360]

16GB is an absolute joke. It's pathetic. If that's to be shared between CPU + GPU then it's even worse.

On PC I've seen games use as much as 13GB RAM and 7GB VRAM. So what chance of earth do these new consoles have?

Imo, 22GB should be the minimum. 16GB for CPU and 6GB for GPU.

We keep hearing about how these consoles will run at 4K and how people want 60-120fps. Yeah, not with 16GB RAM. 4K eats a shit load of memory due to textures and the higher the frame rate the higher the frame buffer in VRAM.

16GB is just not enough. Say the OS uses 2-3GB well that's you lost 13-19% straight away. 13-14GB is very little to work with.

Sure, it's a big improvement over what we have now but I just hope people keep their expectations in check. It'll be a case of high resolution OR Frame rate.

4k 30fps. 1440p 60fps, 1080p 120fps. I reckon those would be the standards for most games. Some games could hit 4k 120fps but it would be the exception not the rule.

Microsoft + Sony really know how to spin bullshit and console owners are lapping it right up and asking for more. When they are confronted with facts they are in pure denial.

The faster the ram, the less you need of it to produce the same resuilts. Now the XSX is using GDDR6, which until now has only been used for vram in gpu's. And we have high speed SSD's. I'm sure both consoles will be fine. If we were still on DDR3 ram, then yeah 16gb would not be great. More ram will always be better, but i'm pretty sure both Microsoft and Sony engineers know what they are doing here, they certainly have not scrimpt on any other part of the console, so i dont see why they would scrimp on ram, unless more amounts of ram would be a bit overkill for the system.

 

[POTUS]

VR support is way more important.

VR is not immersive on 1080p displays, but up the resolution to 4k, 90 fps, and VR becomes damn near indistinguishable from reality.

Sony is making the right move by focusing on speed, wifi direct and hopefully streaming wirelessly from PS5 to PSVR 2 headsets at 4k resolutions using wifi direct.

Sony is going to lap microsoft on this killer app unless Microsoft announces support for PC VR headsets on the Xbox Series X

 

[Entroyp]

I believe RAM is next gen’s Jaguar but not as bad.

 

[CJY]

VR support is way more important.

VR = Virtual Reality?
Which the Xbox SeX also lacks?

Is that your point?

 

[IntentionalPun]

I personally have 96GB of RAM for my Mac and regularly push 30GB+ used just doing normal things. (no video editing or creating of any kind. When I do, i'll use a lottt more)

A PC where a user can open N number of apps run simultaneously is a completely different scenario.

Beyond that modern OS's as well as apps are designed to use more free memory than they need, marking that usage as non-essential so it can be re-claimed when an app truly needs it.

Which is why on my MBP w/ 16GB of physical memory I can easily launch a Windows instance in Parallels that eats 8GB even if it says I have well under 8GB free. Launching the VM will instruct the OS to free up RAM it doesn't really NEED right now. Right now my system has ~7g free RAM, if I launch an 8GB VM.. it still has 2GB left. Because it decided to free up 3GB, giving 8 to the VM and another 2 free for immediate use.

Which is why browsers like Chrome seem to eat memory for breakfast, but also seem to work fine on 4GB chromebooks.. they are smart enough to use RAM if it's available and not use it if it isn't.

You really just can't compare the RAM you are buying and using on a Mac workstation to a console.

 

[CJY]

A PC where a user can open N number of apps run simultaneously is a completely different scenario.

Beyond that modern OS's as well as apps are designed to use more free memory than they need, marking that usage as non-essential so it can be re-claimed when an app truly needs it.

Which is why on my MBP w/ 16GB of physical memory I can easily launch a Windows instance in Parallels that eats 8GB even if it says I have well under 8GB free. Launching the VM will instruct the OS to free up RAM it doesn't really NEED right now. Right now my system has ~7g free RAM, if I launch an 8GB VM.. it still has 2GB left. Because it decided to free up 3GB, giving 8 to the VM and another 2 free for immediate use.

Which is why browsers like Chrome seem to eat memory for breakfast, but also seem to work fine on 4GB chromebooks.. they are smart enough to use RAM if it's available and not use it if it isn't.

You really just can't compare the RAM you are buying and using on a Mac workstation to a console.

I'm not comparing to console. I was responding to the person who I quoted who mentioned something about Windows RAM usage. I'm completely aware of everything you wrote.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Isn't the RAM GDDR6? that's a high end type of RAM if I'm.not mistaken.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

NVIDIA Ampere: GeForce RTX 3080 Ti is 40% faster than RTX 2080 Ti

NVIDIA Ampere rumors suggest 10nm node, Q4 2020 launch, 40% faster than GeForce RTX 2080 Ti.

www.tweaktown.com

Latest rumors have the 3080 Ti @ 12GB, with the cards under it coming in @ 10GB or 8GB.

The only thing that's getting more than that from Nvidia will be the Quadro line. Possibly 24GB for a Ampere Titan (@ $2500+) as well.

It's a lock that AMD's '2080 Ti killer' will have 16gb and Nvidia wont put just 12gb on top SKUs when the consoles are launching a couple months later with 16gb minimum.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Is this what concern trolling looks like?

Nah, OP's been doing this for a long time, it's their schtick, like TFLOPs are for T tflopsmatter .

In a way you gotta admire how narrow-minded it is and just bask in abundance of laughter at the insanity when they start posting. Hell I even would say it's entertaining in a way.

By their logic we should be paying for the consoles with RAM chips.

Isn't the RAM GDDR6? that's a high end type of RAM if I'm.not mistaken.

Very high-end. Only higher-end for memory atm would be HBM (particularly HBM2E because I think 1st-gen HBM is not manufactured anymore and regular HBM2 is not at the same volumes as a few years ago).

Worst yet the prices have been climbing up for GDDR6 lately because so many companies (like Apple) want more and more of it for their products. Comparatively, HBM's problem is only two of the big memory manufactures make it. Micron had HMC (Hyper Memory Cube) some time ago but discontinued it. Looked promising, too .

 

[DrAspirino]

Freaking 16gb what are they thinking.

Price.

RAM is at a premium right now and if they want to sell a $500 console that is 4k-capable, then they have to make a cut somewhere.

Try building a $500 PC that is 4k-capable: It is simply not possible.

 

[Trogdor1123]

I'm probably on an island here but I think it will probably be fine. Games will get better still but i don't need or want hyper realism in my games. I just started don't think it is necessary especially given all the rest of the tech. Assuming it works like how they say it probably won't be a big deal at all.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Bear in mind these console have touted full suspend play on up to 3 (?) titles. Including capture record/send, background updates, 4k/60fps and maybe even 8k?

I wouldn't be surprised if the Pro versions launched with double the RAM

 

[Kazekage1981]

Nope bro the 16gb tells the whole story just wait for quick load times amd faster lod pop ins nothing more the graphics womt look next gen as everyone thinks.

That's microsofts responsibility to wow the fuck out of you and make your eyes, brain, and heart melt when you see the pure bliss of next gen gaming.

 

[BigLee74]

Another minter thread on Neogaf - there's my opinion.

 

[octiny]

It's a lock that AMD's '2080 Ti killer' will have 16gb and Nvidia wont put just 12gb on top SKUs when the consoles are launching a couple months later with 16gb minimum.

No shit it's a lock for AMD, they'll have 8GB & 16GB cards. A far cry from the OP's 24-48GB that he thinks they are going to have.

Nvidia has never won the ram race in $1000> cards, so I wouldn't get your hopes up. They love their margins & their color compression algorithm has always been a step ahead of AMD's compression. I still see 12GB for the 3080 Ti, as described in the latest rumors.

Edit: Again, the only card that will have more is the eventual Titan Ampere card as I first noted.

 

[MarkMe2525]

Nope 16gb isnt next gen it isnt at all its simply 2x the graphics of ps4 and xbone and considering 4k-8k textures its complete shit.

4k textures fit on Xbox one X 9gb usable memory. Why would it be an issue with 13.5 faster memory with 100gb of ssd available for textures?

 

[Shin]

Bear in mind these console have touted full suspend play on up to 3 (?) titles. Including capture record/send, background updates, 4k/60fps and maybe even 8k?

I wouldn't be surprised if the Pro versions launched with double the RAM

The gains will be mainly from node shrinkage, that will keep the price as is, more RAM is higher BoM.
There's no way around this, it's the most expensive component on the list beside the APU - TBH you can't even blame MS for 16GB.
You need to present something that distinguish itself from the previous entry but you can't go over a certain threshold in pricing either.
More important than the amount of RAM would their compression lagging behind PS4, that needs to fix - delta compression can go a long way.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Honestly i dont care about price itll always get lower point is next generation and ur still stuck with old graphics

ok but how much would 100+ gigs (you’re advocating for this amount, right?) of RAM cost on its own?

 

[Flick]

Thats why devs can use the SSD to offload stuff that usually goes to the RAM and use the actual RAM for assets that need fast access only. Watch todays digital foundry video theyre explaining it there

he doesn’t care. It’s called a concern troll

 

[Ascend]

Considering the fact that modern games don't use more than 6GB of VRAM at 4K, I'm not worried in the slightest. 16GB is more than enough.

 

[Flick]

NVIDIA Ampere: GeForce RTX 3080 Ti is 40% faster than RTX 2080 Ti

NVIDIA Ampere rumors suggest 10nm node, Q4 2020 launch, 40% faster than GeForce RTX 2080 Ti.

www.tweaktown.com

Latest rumors have the 3080 Ti @ 12GB, with the cards under it coming in @ 10GB or 8GB.

The only thing that's getting more than that from Nvidia will be the Quadro line. Possibly 24GB for a Ampere Titan (@ $2500+) as well.

So $2500+ for ONLY THE GPU and it has only 8GB more than the series X... and People complain? WTF? Seriously?

Sounds to me that they are looking for things to bash Xbox.

 

[diffusionx]

So $2500+ for ONLY THE GPU and it has only 8GB more than the series X... and People complain? WTF? Seriously?

Sounds to me that they are looking for things to bash Xbox.

Quadro line is for professionals, please be serious here.

 

[CJY]

MS are probably negotiating pricing on RAM based on the historic sales of their consoles and likely projected sales which is significantly lower than PlayStation.

Sony have a history of getting 100M+, combined with simply having more RAM in PS5, they can probably get RAM much cheaper. Not half the price, but possibly up to 20% cheaper which bodes well for PS5.

 

[Stuart360]

Considering the fact that modern games don't use more than 6GB of VRAM at 4K, I'm not worried in the slightest. 16GB is more than enough.

I have 6gb on my 980ti and i have yet to see a game max it out, even at 4k. Even the high rez texture packs that reccomend 8+gb have only used 4.9gb (Shadow and Mordor for example), albeit only at 1080p.

 

[Shin]

Let's say Microsoft is paying 50% of the price per chip listed below (roll with it for convo. sake), that ends up putting you at $93,52 for 16GB
That's $5,52 more on just memory alone compared to the current generation and before factoring in that it's GDDR5 vs. GDDR6, etc etc etc.
It is NOT doable unless people wanted a 8-10TF machine with 20GB of RAM (yeah that would have been an amazing machine - - - - - dead.

Micron 1GB GDDR6 @ 14Gbps

1 Gbyte GDDR6, 3,500 MHz, 15 Gbps

$ 11.69

MT61K256M32JE-14: A TR

 

[Dlacy13g]

Isn't the RAM GDDR6? that's a high end type of RAM if I'm.not mistaken.

This! I see a ton of people bitching its not 24 GB of RAM and how they have been running that much for years now but you are not looking apples to apples. Can someone tell me what 16GB of GDDR6 would be equivelant to in todays consoles / PC's use of GDDR5? If you tell me 16GB of GDDR6 is equivelant to 24+ GB of GDDR5 then is there really a problem?

 

[CJY]

Let's say Microsoft is paying 50% of the price per chip listed below (roll with it for convo. sake), that ends up putting you at $93,52 for 16GB
That's $5,52 more on just memory alone compared to the current generation and before factoring in that it's GDDR5 vs. GDDR6, etc etc etc.
It is NOT doable unless people wanted a 8-10TF machine with 20GB of RAM (yeah that would have been an amazing machine - - - - - dead.

Micron 1GB GDDR6 @ 14Gbps

1 Gbyte GDDR6, 3,500 MHz, 15 Gbps

$ 11.69

MT61K256M32JE-14: A TR

I feel there might be too many assumptions needing to be made to make a conversation viable, but I'll try. What if MS were paying 45% of the list price? Then it's $4 LESS than current gen. Totally feasible.

 

[Stuart360]

This! I see a ton of people bitching its not 24 GB of RAM and how they have been running that much for years now but you are not looking apples to apples. Can someone tell me what 16GB of GDDR6 would be equivelant to in todays consoles / PC's use of GDDR5? If you tell me 16GB of GDDR6 is equivelant to 24+ GB of GDDR5 then is there really a problem?

Well PC's use DDR4 for system ram, some people are still on DDR3. 16gb of GDDR6 would be better than say 64gb of DDR3 for example.