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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Disco_

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K.N.W. said:
Did anyone comment on the 4.8 GB/s transer speed for compressed data?? I feel it's really misleading. The transfer speed is 2.4 GB/s, if the data are compressed you may transfer even more data than 4.8 GB/s, but that won't be the norm, compressions have variable rates that depend on which type of data is being processed, so we cannot expect it to always reach 4.8 GB/s. I feel like Microsoft really fooled many people today. Maybe they estimated that the lowest ratio is around 2, so the transfer speed would be AT LEAST 4.8 GB/s for compressed data. Otherwise, Microsoft just put out a meaningless number.
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Relax, sony will be doing the same thing. Their patents show up to 10gb/s for compressed data which won't be reached 100% of the time either.

SSfox said:
MS still didn't get it. They could have shown a new KI, or a Zelda like game made by Rare, that would alone made me excited AF about Xbox SX (even with 8 TF RDNA1), but yeah let's show some 4K RT minecraft instead... Lel

Anyway not surprise, it's just MS being MS as usual.
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How much money has Minecraft made them? They're trying to go after the real money, not after fanboys.

Stuart360 said:
PS5 could still be higher. 20gb would be nice with 4gb for the os.
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With gddr6 prices being what they are and climbing, I doubt it.
 
Gudji

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pasterpl said:
I enjoyed crackdown 3, for what it was, it was okay. I have enjoyed forza horizon more, but I also enjoy wipeout on PS4, both systems have some great games. I have got death stranding in day one and was very disappointed, I played all uncharted games, and u4, while enjoyable, is nothing new. GOTY argument is funny as well, untitled goose game got some awards as well, overwatch got some etc. Look at Japan game awards, Nintendo is the king there! Yes, Sony makes very well made 3rd person adventure games, but what if someone is not a fan of this genre? You cannot force me to like some games simply because of few awards.
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Like whatever the hell you want. Facts are facts: sony delivers on multiple genres, they also deliver a ton of GOTY games and they've been doing it for years. Have a good day.
 
Sinthor

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Kazekage1981 said:
OsirisBlack OsirisBlack do you know if ps5 has wifi 6?
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I haven't read anything about wifi 6. Is it fully backwards compatible? Bottom line, if it's NOT fully backwards compatible, NO WAY does it get added. I would expect SONY to be the one supporting that, if only one of the company's was going to. The second factor is cost. It's no doubt more expensive. Considering that Sony is the WORLD leader in consoles (not just Japan, Western Europe and America) and that most of the world doesn't have internet connectivity speeds even approaching Gigabit, it doesn't make a ton of sense for them to put a more expensive part in place for that. Also, games use a certain amount of bandwidth. Besides making your downloads faster there's a diminishing point of returns for what games do regarding your internet speed.

I don't expect to see wifi 6 any time soon. Maybe NEXT gen, though you have to remember, if they are now supporting dual band 802.11ac...that was already a thing before this current gen took off and they STILL didn't support it.
 
StreetsofBeige

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Gudji said:
It's not fanboy talk, it's real talk your comment on the other hand... whew.
Everyone praises sony exclusives for a reason: they're polished, they set bars for quality and they've been consistently nominated for GOTY awards in the last 10 years - not all games are like that but the majority of big releases are. I'm sorry to hurt your feelings but it's the truth.
It's all subjective though, maybe you thought crackdown 3 was amazing... well good for you.
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The thing about Sony exclusives is that their best rated best selling games skew to those SP focused kinds of games. If a gamer likes these games, you're gold. You got God War, LoU, Horizon, Bloodborne, Spiderman, Infamous and some more like those Qunatic Dream QTE kinds of games. There are some duds like 1886 and Knack but most seem like good games. And by the looks of it, you get around 1 per generation now. Sometimes more, there was UC 4 and LL, ad going by Son'y strategy you'll get a ton of remasters. So when PS5 comes out, you'll probably a remaster of each last gen game.

They also have a highly rated baseball game that's been around for over 20 years.

From there things drop off fast. There's no shooters except KZ SF, no more arcadey kinds of racer like Forza Horizon, their key racer GT gets killed by Forza Motorsport every year, and doesn't have much to compete against MS for niche games like Wastelands or Flight Sim. or AAA indies like Ori ad Cuphead, the slew of b-tier kinds of games like Rare Replay Halo Wars 2, CD 3, Sea of Thieves etc..... Don't get me wrong, many of them seemed to get crummy reviews, but the variety is there.

Sony = More focus on SP kinds of games with high production values and usually good reviews.

MS = A hodgepodge of SP and MP, high/low budget and high/bad scoring games. More variety.
 
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Kazekage1981

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Sinthor said:
I haven't read anything about wifi 6. Is it fully backwards compatible? Bottom line, if it's NOT fully backwards compatible, NO WAY does it get added. I would expect SONY to be the one supporting that, if only one of the company's was going to. The second factor is cost. It's no doubt more expensive. Considering that Sony is the WORLD leader in consoles (not just Japan, Western Europe and America) and that most of the world doesn't have internet connectivity speeds even approaching Gigabit, it doesn't make a ton of sense for them to put a more expensive part in place for that. Also, games use a certain amount of bandwidth. Besides making your downloads faster there's a diminishing point of returns for what games do regarding your internet speed.

I don't expect to see wifi 6 any time soon. Maybe NEXT gen, though you have to remember, if they are now supporting dual band 802.11ac...that was already a thing before this current gen took off and they STILL didn't support it.
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wifi6 is compatible with all previous wifi's
 
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semicool

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demigod said:
2 weeks ago he posted that he was a Senior Dev, lol.
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True story, I am. Not a game dev though. Just a senior software developer frowning on software (and hardware) ignorance about GitHub, Python, etc...I can have Mod of War vet me, but I think that's reserved for claimed "inside" info, not personal attacks but happy to do so if desired.
 
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it_wasn't_me

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StreetsofBeige said:
The thing about Sony exclusives is that their best rated best selling games skew to those SP focused kinds of games. If a gamer likes these games, you're gold. You got God War, LoU, Horizon, Bloodborne, Spiderman, Infamous and some more like those Qunatic Dream QTE kinds of games. There are some duds like 1886 and Knack but most seem like good games. And by the looks of it, you get around 1 per generation now. Sometimes more, there was UC 4 and LL, ad going by Son'y strategy you'll get a ton of remasters. So when PS5 comes out, you'll probably a remaster of each last gen game.

They also have a highly rated baseball game that's been around for over 20 years.

From there things drop off fast. There's no shooters except KZ SF, no more arcadey kinds of racer like Forza Horizon, their key racer GT gets killed by Forza Motorsport every year, and doesn't have much to compete against MS for niche games like Wastelands or Flight Sim. or AAA indies like Ori ad Cuphead, the slew of b-tier kinds of games like Rare Replay Halo Wars 2, CD 3, Sea of Thieves etc..... Don't get me wrong, many of them seemed to get crummy reviews, but the variety is there.

Sony = More focus on SP kinds of games with high production values and usually good reviews.

MS = A hodgepodge of SP and MP, high/low budget and high/bad scoring games. More variety.
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It's other way around regarding Forza and GTS. GTS pretty much demolished Forza this gen despite the reviews and 4 Forzas game.. Niche games you say....LOL. Dreams, man. Dreams, The Last Guardian, Gravity Rush 2, Concrete Genie and Astro Bot VR.... Oh, of course, Xbox fan DELIBERATELY ignored VR stuff. Wonder why???

Oh yes....not to mention GOTY awards for Sonys games.
 
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ethomaz

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Mass Shift said:
Not trying to get in the middle of the shouting but the DF vid clearly states that the Series X GPU has 56CUs. 4 were disabled, so there's really no reason why this should become a major sticking in anyone's argument. We know that the Githubs were test samples so today's reveal is quite honestly a validation. Not only for them but Fisher as well.

They validate each other. This could make Fishers call on the PS5 a little tricky if Sony doesn't launch with two skus. . Is the 13TF he referred a 5Pro that's launching later? Could explain why the Githubs only saw the 9.2TF last year.

As Morpheus would say, "the answers are coming".
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So why these same people (including DF) were saying Xbox Series X GPU was 60CUS with 56CUS active using GitHub as source?

If every time GitHub got the things wrong somebody come to spin and change it to fit the official specs it will never be wrong at all lol

They are even saying now there is Oberon virtual tests to back up if PS5 is not 36CUs lol
 
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PropellerEar

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DeepEnigma said:
Who cares about this FUD dealer, why even bring his shit here?
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He is the only one on my ignore list.

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Hope that we wouldn't see his idiotic FUD Twitter here either. I can't understand how anybody can value anything this guy says or tweets.
 
TherapistGaymer

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HGamer said:
No @CyberPanda, the post you posted was someone's speculations which are false, I really am weirded out by the way you act, when something that confirms your bias, you post it, when something that goes against your bias, you stay quiet and won't do anything....it's really weird, man, I know you have that Xbox Era discord with Spechal Ed, Colbert, Proelite, Tim Dog etc and all those guys but please, stop spreading misinformation like that.

What it really means is that it is pre-silicon, pre-silicon means virtual hardware, it means emulation, not the real hardware, it means that the PS5 is NOT a 9.2 TF console, it will be like what many insiders stated like 12 TFs or even more.
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He is so happy today. Gets Xbox specs which I am happy about but still is obsessed with Sony outcome. Sad really!
 
SportsFan581

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Kazekage1981 said:
wifi6 is compatible with all previous wifi's
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I was hoping Lockhart was actually a VR HMD to pair with XSX (though none of the insiders seemed to bite on that idea at all :messenger_anguished:), not sure if that type of thing could still be possible with AC. Though, I guess 4TF and a Zen processor would have been a bit much for that anyway. :messenger_winking_tongue:
 
Aceofspades

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ethomaz said:
So why these same people (including DF) were saying Xbox Series X GPU was 60CUS with 56CUS active using GitHub as source?

If every time GitHub got the things wrong somebody come to spin and change it to fit the official specs it will never be wrong at all lol

They are even saying now there is Oberon virtual tests to back up if PS5 is not 36CUs lol
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If PS5 ended up more powerful than Xbox like many insiders said, with better SSD and RT Xbox will have a worse generation than this one.
 
Zero707

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ethomaz said:
So why these same people (including DF) were saying Xbox Series X GPU was 60CUS with 56CUS active using GitHub as source?

If every time GitHub got the things wrong somebody come to spin and change it to fit the official specs it will never be wrong at all lol

They are even saying now there is Oberon virtual tests to back up if PS5 is not 36CUs lol
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nah PS5 will have 36CU
#TeamGitHub

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it_wasn't_me

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TherapistGaymer said:
He is so happy today. Gets Xbox specs which I am happy about but still is obsessed with Sony outcome. Sad really!
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HGamer said:
No @CyberPanda, the post you posted was someone's speculations which are false, I really am weirded out by the way you act, when something that confirms your bias, you post it, when something that goes against your bias, you stay quiet and won't do anything....it's really weird, man, I know you have that Xbox Era discord with Spechal Ed, Colbert, Proelite, Tim Dog etc and all those guys but please, stop spreading misinformation like that.

What it really means is that it is pre-silicon, pre-silicon means virtual hardware, it means emulation, not the real hardware, it means that the PS5 is NOT a 9.2 TF console, it will be like what many insiders stated like 12 TFs or even more.
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What's happening on Xbox discord since you mentioned these members?
 
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K.N.W.

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Disco_ said:
Relax, sony will be doing the same thing. Their patents show up to 10gb/s for compressed data which won't be reached 100% of the time either.
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That's not the problem. My concern is a company putting out NON-data as technical specification. It's just a marketing spin to write 4,8 GB/s for SSD's compressed data speed, while compressions cannot have a fixed rate, like in this case 2:1 . The Sony's patents are not "advertisement" articles btw.
And no. I won't relax. MS's spinning is real, at least since 2013. I'm tired. It's ok that you think it's ok to play with numbers, but that's called "Thievery" in some countries.

All of this, is valid, unless they really nailed somehow that GUARANTEED 4,8 GB/s. Otherwise they need to add "up to 4,8 GB/s".
 
Felessan

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darrenskywalker said:
Tommy was wrong about studio acquisitions, reveal dates(self ban, maybe wrong because of Corona effects?), technical details on RDNA2 architecture (not that it was RDNA2, but architectural details) and provided photoshopped photos of a DS5 controller. The GitHub leak had the correct CUs before Tommy posted, so he could have guessed based off that. Or maybe he did have credible info or made a clock speed guess that was accurate based off GitHub. Remember multiple Xbox SX leaks were saying 12+. Only he knows. He's definitely been wrong and lied about multiple details though. If he has a good source that told him clock speed for XSX, is that the same source for his PS5 info? Only he knows if that's true or not. I'd take anything he says with a pile of salt, though I am curious.
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Or maybe he intentionally scramble/made-up/fake some data to entertain himself or test grounds while keeping profile and creditability of information rather low.
He was "debunked" on rather minor staff mostly unrelated to actual leak. And this minor staff can be easily added to provoke people to disregard leak as false claim and thus level of trust toward leaked information can be easily controlled on relatively low levels (to not spoil actual reveal for example).

This is a big problem here - people are sure that insiders have/want to give complete and fair set of information. But every actor not only might have incomplete information, but also may have their own agenda why information was posted.
 
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Disco_ said:
Relax, sony will be doing the same thing. Their patents show up to 10gb/s for compressed data which won't be reached 100% of the time either.


How much money has Minecraft made them? They're trying to go after the real money, not after fanboys.


With gddr6 prices being what they are and climbing, I doubt it.
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20GB/s actually.
 
Disco_

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K.N.W. said:
That's not the problem. My concern is a company putting out NON-data as technical specification. It's just a marketing spin to write 4,8 GB/s for SSD's compressed data speed, while compressions cannot have a fixed rate, like in this case 2:1 . The Sony's patents are not "advertisement" articles btw.
And no. I won't relax. MS's spinning is real, at least since 2013. I'm tired. It's ok that you think it's ok to play with numbers, but that's called "Thievery" in some countries.

All of this, is valid, unless they really nailed somehow that GUARANTEED 4,8 GB/s. Otherwise they need to add "up to 4,8 GB/s".
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Raw/uncompressed speeds aren't constant either...
Pretty sure "thievery" isn't the word you want to use.

They had no issues calling the cooling on the oneX "liquid cooling" and they'll do something similar this time around. Let them, who cares. The blind will eat it up but in the end, it really doesn't matter.
 
LED Guy?

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it_wasn't_me said:
What's happening on Xbox discord since you mentioned these members?
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This is the posts that tells the full story, and hey, look for the replies after him in the same page and the pages after, them responding to him solidifies what he said as TRUE, FACTUAL!!

www.neogaf.com

Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

This is tastyyyy I still think this is the best design so far. That and the Black version
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Agnostic2020

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HGamer said:
This is the posts that tells the full story, and hey, look for the replies after him in the same page and the pages after, them responding to him solidifies what he said as TRUE, FACTUAL!!

www.neogaf.com

Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

This is tastyyyy I still think this is the best design so far. That and the Black version
www.neogaf.com www.neogaf.com
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Its all falling apart now and thanks to them sony will get a mic drop moment when they announce ps5
 
ethomaz

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HGamer said:
This is the posts that tells the full story, and hey, look for the replies after him in the same page and the pages after, them responding to him solidifies what he said as TRUE, FACTUAL!!

www.neogaf.com

Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

This is tastyyyy I still think this is the best design so far. That and the Black version
www.neogaf.com www.neogaf.com
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The most weird thing is that they create a fake theory to PS5 that will be crushed when the specs are reveled.
So they did all that hard work for nothing.
 
Disco_

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Mass Shift said:
I hope that's not what he's doing. That would just be like being allowed to walk around in heaven and somebody comes running up behind you saying, "Sorry, we made a mistake. You have to leave".
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Not saying he did, but It's what one of the supposed timdog/blu alt accounts did. It's what vfx ended up doing. Pro MS/pc accounts that suddenly flipped a switch and went 180* with their previous leanings.
 
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