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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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ethomaz

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I'm simply saying you can translate the same "25 tf" thing used with Xbox Series X with others RTX systems.
I can’t understand the spin MS is trying to make up... nVidia cards doesn’t have that spin for TFLOPS raw power.

A 11TFs NVidia GPU continue being 11TFs no matter if it has RT or not.
 
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TBiddy

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You're trying to paint a false narrative. People are going based off rumors and are trying to pinpoint where both consoles would end up.

Ironic post of the day. Good job!

 

thelastword

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The only reason for such defence strategy is the inevitable sony fanboy response of

"OMG SONY DID IT AGAIN THEY HAVE DEMOLISHED XBOX IN POWER.....AGAIN, BOOM"

Many people have thought ps5 would be more powerful, choosing to believe klee, osirisblack and tommy fisher.

I actually think some sony fans have pushed the 9.2tf github narrative, when they actually believed klee all along, so in there mind if the ps5 was more powerful they can claim it as some massive victory.

These people are mentally ill and need to be helped.
Wow, I didn't read this post in it's entirety sorry...….Not bad......So you are saying PS fans actually planted the 9.2TF leak so they would come bragging when it is not 9.2TF, but it also beats Series X 12TF console.....Nice conspiracy theory......You are a budding spin-artist that's for sure.....Though I think you should spin something more tangible......You are looking like a mime over here, spinning open air...

Believing in a 15 TFlops console is as mad and obtuse as the GitHub Delusionals with their 9,2 TFlops cult.
I always dream big...….You give me 9.2TF or 15.05TF......I'll take 15.05TF......I'm cool with 13.3TF, but I always want better....Always...

Are people thinking that if an XsX developer decides to not use RT they will have 25 TFs available to them?
Well you never know......With the number of times I see this PR below being being quoted, you never know...

The Xbox Series X is going to be a beacon of technical innovation leadership for this console generation

Xbox Velocity Architecture
– The Xbox Velocity Architecture is the new architecture we’ve created for the Xbox Series X to unlock new capabilities never-before seen in console development. It consists of four components: our custom NVMe SSD, a dedicated hardware decompression block, the all new DirectStorage API, and Sampler Feedback Streaming (SFS). This combination of custom hardware and deep software integration allows developers to radically improve asset streaming and effectively multiply available memory. It will enable richer and more dynamic living worlds unlike anything ever seen before. It also effectively eliminates loading times, and makes fast travel systems just that: fast.


Sampler Feedback Streaming (SFS)
– A component of the Xbox Velocity Architecture, SFS is a feature of the Xbox Series X hardware that allows games to load into memory, with fine granularity, only the portions of textures that the GPU needs for a scene, as it needs it. This enables far better memory utilization for textures, which is important given that every 4K texture consumes 8MB of memory. Because it avoids the wastage of loading into memory the portions of textures that are never needed, it is an effective 2x or 3x (or higher) multiplier on both amount of physical memory and SSD performance.
 
I can’t understand the spin MS is trying to make up... nVidia cards doesn’t have that spin for TFLOPS raw power.
For what I understood, it's the power you would require for RT without dedicated hardware solutions: 25 TFs.
DF itself said that to calculate RT normally SeX would need 12 TF only for that process, therefore 12+12= 24. It's not 25 but still, that's the concept.
It's no surprise RTX card can handle something absurd like RT but do not offer HUGE improvements from the 1000 series when it's off. Same for SeX, it's not like it's really the equivalent of a 25 TFs card.
Edit: plus I dunno if it is a MS spin, I'm citing DF here.
 
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semicool

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There is nothing about NVidia cards having more TFs with RT on... I read the first time you posted to me and it is not related at all.
Anandtech


Under tensor performance chart, remarks under int 4. There are many many other articles too. That was a preview article , just the 2089ti has that number. You can search yourself for the other details. I've seen many
 
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DForce

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Ironic post of the day. Good job!


He's barely even here, which means he doesn't even know what's going on.

Yes, I told you people were saying Tommy was trolling with the numbers.

I would guess Tommy Fisher is trolling Sony fans when he dropped that number. Clearly he knows someone around the console to get his specs. He doesn't drop that picture without knowing full well what was coming. He's lying about the Sony number. He probably doesn't know the real specs...maybe at best it's what inside secrets thought Sony was at.

Nice try, TBiddy.
 
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MarkMe2525

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I can’t understand the spin MS is trying to make up... nVidia cards doesn’t have that spin for TFLOPS raw power.

A 11TFs NVidia GPU continue being 11TFs no matter if it has RT or not.
It's not spin. It is an explanation of a different way to compute Ray tracing. AMD isn't putting separate tensor cores that would inflate the size of the die and increase costs. They made customizations to the cu's that perform less precise calculations faster that are needed to for Ray tracing. PS4 pro has a similar ability just not used for Ray tracing.... As of yet anyways.
 

ethomaz

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For what I understood, it's the power you would require for RT without dedicated hardware solutions: 25 TFs.
DF itself said that to calculate RT normally SeX would need 12 TF only for that process, therefore 12+12= 24. It's not 25 but still, that's the concept.
It's no surprise RTX card can handle something absurd like RT but do not offer HUGE improvements from the 1000 series when it's off. Same for SeX, it's not like it's really the equivalent of a 25 TFs card.
Edit: plus I dunno if it is a MS spin, I'm citing DF here.
That is too much nonsense for me.
:D

You can run at max 100km/h but it will feel like you are running 200km/h... in fact you continue running at 100km/h but it is like 200km/h.

lol
 
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Entroyp

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Again the TFs didn’t changed lol
A 11TFs RTX 2080Ti won’t become or perform like a 22TFs card.

BTW int4 is not FLOPS are single-precision.

This. Jesus christ the amount of stupidity going around is insane. TF are not interchangeable with any other measurement.
 

StreetsofBeige

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So some Xbox fans who doubted Tommy before now believe he knew the Xbox specs but are saying it's very possible that he is trolling Sony fans. lol
He could be

People have claimed his rumours are wrong all the time, yet his Series X prediction of this was spot on. There are zero other "insiders" who have claimed anything pinpoint like this. And those claims were from months ago.

12.1tf
RDNA 2
CU 52
GPU at 1.82ghz
 

ethomaz

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It's not spin. It is an explanation of a different way to compute Ray tracing. AMD isn't putting separate tensor cores that would inflate the size of the die and increase costs. They made customizations to the cu's that perform less precise calculations faster that are needed to for Ray tracing. PS4 pro has a similar ability just not used for Ray tracing.... As of yet anyways.
That is fine but it didn’t make a GPU with 12.1TFs be like 25TFs.
 
Well well well, looks like one of my good friends on Twitter posted this...

@Tommy Fisher is the one that we don’t just want, but someone that we desperately need! 😭😭😭😭




wanted to write this right after the Controller Fiasko but maybe now its also the right time...
So given the amateuric way of manipulating these Controller Photos i assumed right after he was called out on it, that thiis was ordered upon him by a Third Party. Maybe his employer came to know that he is Tommy Fisher here at GAF and ordered him first to purposly sabotage his resumee here and then after that was done request a self ban. .
Maybe he broke some rules or even NDAs and that was the only Way for him to stay employed there?
Because if he simply had wrote that :,, ahh all was fake and i know actually nothing" Everybody would have automaticly assumed that he in Fact knows something and that he wrote that with a Revolver pointing at his Head..

Like that other Developer who openly said about the first real Pictures of PS5 DevKits that they are indeed DevKits and that they have them already. He was forced to nuke his twitter Account as part of his Punishment..
 
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DForce

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He could be

People have claimed his rumours are wrong all the time, yet his Series X prediction of this was spot on. There are zero other "insiders" who have claimed anything pinpoint like this. And those claims were from months ago.

12.1tf
RDNA 2
CU 52
GPU at 1.82ghz
Yes, it's possible. The thing is, people are quick to say he's trolling when it's clear that they're pro-Xbox.
 

ethomaz

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Quixz

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Series X is a damn beast. (Wont call it SeX because thats just weird)

The ball is in Sonys court. Lets see what they got. Im inclined to believe MS has the hardware advantage because Phil has made that a priority

Everyone knows Sony dominates on games, we have the same multiplat plus Sony WWS is second to no one.

I personally want the PS5 to be as powerful as it can be but I dont care if its slightly less to XBOX because Im a fan but not a fanboy warrior. People like Timdog just embarrass the shit out of themselves.

My household will stay as it always is. PS for me, PC for me and daughter, and Nintendo Switch.

How about SeXy beast? :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 

Hatsuma

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I’m not moving the goalposts. Call Github irrelevant all you want. I don’t think it accurately depicts the PS5 chip in any way. But that being said, trashing github because the Arden testing at the time had no CU’s disabled is nit-picky to say the least.

It is unfair to trash GitHub itself and data it provides, but there were many proclaiming it was the only truth or shaping narratives around it. I found BGs BGs post stating it was true at one point for ps5, but now it isn't. Now tell me was correct about the xsx, let's see if he is on ps5.
 

Koopatrol

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I've looked through this thread and the other next-gen threads on the other site, and it seems like nobody really predicted 52 CUs at 1.82 GHz to get 12.1 TFs. Also with RDNA 2.

I'm going to laugh my ass off if Tommy Fisher somehow got both system specs correct, right on the nose. I honestly never believed in him, and I still don't, but holy fuck if he gets both of them right. lmfao
 

Lort

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I've looked through this thread and the other next-gen threads on the other site, and it seems like nobody really predicted 52 CUs at 1.82 GHz to get 12.1 TFs. Also with RDNA 2.

I'm going to laugh my ass off if Tommy Fisher somehow got both system specs correct, right on the nose. I honestly never believed in him, and I still don't, but holy fuck if he gets both of them right. lmfao
True ...
but we can all hope he was wrong about the controller :p
 
These are not related.
MS clearly is talking about TFLOPS.

NVidia about Gigarays.

FLOPS <> RTX-OPS

NVidia and AMD probably have their own brand of BS regarding RT. We'll need to see head-to-heads on PC to see what stacks up where between the tech. Then you'd have a better idea where the XSX stands in the picture.
 

Zzpaff

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When the ps5 logo was shown, it appeared as a trend on Twitter in Spain, today with the problem of the covid 19, if I do not enter here or find out the characteristics of Xbox. I would not expect sony news soon.
 

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
Thanks. Please do tell when zeroeffect said that TF was lying. Also, please share who the others were, that you were referring to.

Here's your quote, in case you forgot it.

You people seriously think Tommy Fisher has exact specs of both the XsX AND Ps5?

I'm starting to believe he knew exact specs of XsX and is full on trolling Sony fans just to get their hopes up and then deflated.

I wouldn't celebrate him just yet...

See?
 
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