What is smoking this guy?
I can’t understand the spin MS is trying to make up... nVidia cards doesn’t have that spin for TFLOPS raw power.I'm simply saying you can translate the same "25 tf" thing used with Xbox Series X with others RTX systems.
You're trying to paint a false narrative. People are going based off rumors and are trying to pinpoint where both consoles would end up.
He's Mr. X???Why we keep quoting Misterxmedia?
There is nothing there.
False.
The TFs in nVidia cards are calculated with what the card can do in normal clock.
It has absolutely no relation with RT.
Not sure... I read in some other place about that... it seems he just changed the name on Twitter.He's Mr. X???
Wow, I didn't read this post in it's entirety sorry...….Not bad......So you are saying PS fans actually planted the 9.2TF leak so they would come bragging when it is not 9.2TF, but it also beats Series X 12TF console.....Nice conspiracy theory......You are a budding spin-artist that's for sure.....Though I think you should spin something more tangible......You are looking like a mime over here, spinning open air...The only reason for such defence strategy is the inevitable sony fanboy response of
"OMG SONY DID IT AGAIN THEY HAVE DEMOLISHED XBOX IN POWER.....AGAIN, BOOM"
Many people have thought ps5 would be more powerful, choosing to believe klee, osirisblack and tommy fisher.
I actually think some sony fans have pushed the 9.2tf github narrative, when they actually believed klee all along, so in there mind if the ps5 was more powerful they can claim it as some massive victory.
These people are mentally ill and need to be helped.
I always dream big...….You give me 9.2TF or 15.05TF......I'll take 15.05TF......I'm cool with 13.3TF, but I always want better....Always...Believing in a 15 TFlops console is as mad and obtuse as the GitHub Delusionals with their 9,2 TFlops cult.
Well you never know......With the number of times I see this PR below being being quoted, you never know...Are people thinking that if an XsX developer decides to not use RT they will have 25 TFs available to them?
The Xbox Series X is going to be a beacon of technical innovation leadership for this console generation
Xbox Velocity Architecture
– The Xbox Velocity Architecture is the new architecture we’ve created for the Xbox Series X to unlock new capabilities never-before seen in console development. It consists of four components: our custom NVMe SSD, a dedicated hardware decompression block, the all new DirectStorage API, and Sampler Feedback Streaming (SFS). This combination of custom hardware and deep software integration allows developers to radically improve asset streaming and effectively multiply available memory. It will enable richer and more dynamic living worlds unlike anything ever seen before. It also effectively eliminates loading times, and makes fast travel systems just that: fast.
Sampler Feedback Streaming (SFS)
– A component of the Xbox Velocity Architecture, SFS is a feature of the Xbox Series X hardware that allows games to load into memory, with fine granularity, only the portions of textures that the GPU needs for a scene, as it needs it. This enables far better memory utilization for textures, which is important given that every 4K texture consumes 8MB of memory. Because it avoids the wastage of loading into memory the portions of textures that are never needed, it is an effective 2x or 3x (or higher) multiplier on both amount of physical memory and SSD performance.
There is nothing about NVidia cards having more TFs with RT on... I read the first time you posted to me and it is not related at all.![]()
GeForce RTX 20 series - Wikipedia
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For what I understood, it's the power you would require for RT without dedicated hardware solutions: 25 TFs.I can’t understand the spin MS is trying to make up... nVidia cards doesn’t have that spin for TFLOPS raw power.
Mr X still has an active Twitter account, unless you are thinking he's doing double duty on two accounts.Not sure... I read in some other place about that... it seems he just changed the name on Twitter.
Official is 1825 MHz and 52 CUs too. And so XSeX has official 12,147 TFFixed!Officially is 12.
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AnandtechThere is nothing about NVidia cards having more TFs with RT on... I read the first time you posted to me and it is not related at all.
Ironic post of the day. Good job!
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Someone saying.... 12.1TF RDNA 2 52 CU GPU running at 1.82 ghz ... is more than luck. i dont think it was luck BUT if you guess 1.82 then you can deduce the rest of that, vice versa with 12.1. i think more than likely he had solid MS intel but who knows about his PS intel. perhaps the...www.neogaf.com
I would guess Tommy Fisher is trolling Sony fans when he dropped that number. Clearly he knows someone around the console to get his specs. He doesn't drop that picture without knowing full well what was coming. He's lying about the Sony number. He probably doesn't know the real specs...maybe at best it's what inside secrets thought Sony was at.
Again the TFs didn’t changed lolAnandtech
Under tensor performance chart, remarks under int 4. There are many many other articles too.
It's not spin. It is an explanation of a different way to compute Ray tracing. AMD isn't putting separate tensor cores that would inflate the size of the die and increase costs. They made customizations to the cu's that perform less precise calculations faster that are needed to for Ray tracing. PS4 pro has a similar ability just not used for Ray tracing.... As of yet anyways.I can’t understand the spin MS is trying to make up... nVidia cards doesn’t have that spin for TFLOPS raw power.
A 11TFs NVidia GPU continue being 11TFs no matter if it has RT or not.
Nice try, TBiddy.
So some Xbox fans who doubted Tommy before now believe he knew the Xbox specs but are saying it's very possible that he is trolling Sony fans. lol
That is too much nonsense for me.For what I understood, it's the power you would require for RT without dedicated hardware solutions: 25 TFs.
DF itself said that to calculate RT normally SeX would need 12 TF only for that process, therefore 12+12= 24. It's not 25 but still, that's the concept.
It's no surprise RTX card can handle something absurd like RT but do not offer HUGE improvements from the 1000 series when it's off. Same for SeX, it's not like it's really the equivalent of a 25 TFs card.
Edit: plus I dunno if it is a MS spin, I'm citing DF here.
Again the TFs didn’t changed lol
A 11TFs RTX 2080Ti won’t become or perform like a 22TFs card.
BTW int4 is not FLOPS are single-precision.
How much money has Minecraft made them? They're trying to go after the real money, not after fanboys.
Well, ok, again: this is what I understood from their explanation, glad to be corrected if wrong.That is too much nonsense for me.
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Official is 1825 MHz and 52 CUs too. And so XSeX has official 12,147 TF
Maybe MS use "12“ because it's easier to communicate.
He could beSo some Xbox fans who doubted Tommy before now believe he knew the Xbox specs but are saying it's very possible that he is trolling Sony fans. lol
That is fine but it didn’t make a GPU with 12.1TFs be like 25TFs.It's not spin. It is an explanation of a different way to compute Ray tracing. AMD isn't putting separate tensor cores that would inflate the size of the die and increase costs. They made customizations to the cu's that perform less precise calculations faster that are needed to for Ray tracing. PS4 pro has a similar ability just not used for Ray tracing.... As of yet anyways.
That guy pisses me off so much manWhat is this weirdo trying to say?
Official is 1825 MHz and 52 CUs too. And so XSeX has official 12,147 TF
Maybe MS use "12“ because it's easier to communicate.
That guy pisses me off so much man
Well well well, looks like one of my good friends on Twitter posted this...
@Tommy Fisher is the one that we don’t just want, but someone that we desperately need!
Please read again https://devblogs.nvidia.com/nvidia-turing-architecture-in-depth/Again the TFs didn’t changed lol
A 11TFs RTX 2080Ti won’t become or perform like a 22TFs card.
BTW int4 is not FLOPS are single-precision.
SoonTMSo, PS5 is HBM2 or not ?
Yes, it's possible. The thing is, people are quick to say he's trolling when it's clear that they're pro-Xbox.He could be
People have claimed his rumours are wrong all the time, yet his Series X prediction of this was spot on. There are zero other "insiders" who have claimed anything pinpoint like this. And those claims were from months ago.
12.1tf
RDNA 2
CU 52
GPU at 1.82ghz
Found it.Mr X still has an active Twitter account, unless you are thinking he's doing double duty on two accounts.
I think It's just a completely theoretical calculation, it doesn't in fact have 25 TF. It should have, to handle RT without dedicated cores, let's say a non-RTX card.That is fine but it didn’t make a GPU with 12.1TFs be like 25TFs.
Series X is a damn beast. (Wont call it SeX because thats just weird)
The ball is in Sonys court. Lets see what they got. Im inclined to believe MS has the hardware advantage because Phil has made that a priority
Everyone knows Sony dominates on games, we have the same multiplat plus Sony WWS is second to no one.
I personally want the PS5 to be as powerful as it can be but I dont care if its slightly less to XBOX because Im a fan but not a fanboy warrior. People like Timdog just embarrass the shit out of themselves.
My household will stay as it always is. PS for me, PC for me and daughter, and Nintendo Switch.
I’m not moving the goalposts. Call Github irrelevant all you want. I don’t think it accurately depicts the PS5 chip in any way. But that being said, trashing github because the Arden testing at the time had no CU’s disabled is nit-picky to say the least.
True ...I've looked through this thread and the other next-gen threads on the other site, and it seems like nobody really predicted 52 CUs at 1.82 GHz to get 12.1 TFs. Also with RDNA 2.
I'm going to laugh my ass off if Tommy Fisher somehow got both system specs correct, right on the nose. I honestly never believed in him, and I still don't, but holy fuck if he gets both of them right. lmfao
These are not related.
MS clearly is talking about TFLOPS.
NVidia about Gigarays.
FLOPS <> RTX-OPS
True ...
but we can all hope he was wrong about the controller![]()
Thanks. Please do tell when zeroeffect said that TF was lying. Also, please share who the others were, that you were referring to.
Here's your quote, in case you forgot it.
You people seriously think Tommy Fisher has exact specs of both the XsX AND Ps5?
I'm starting to believe he knew exact specs of XsX and is full on trolling Sony fans just to get their hopes up and then deflated.
I wouldn't celebrate him just yet...
He's Mr. X???
Something is strange, XSX starts SOD2 in 9 seconds. An older PS5 device kit starts Spiderman in 0.8 seconds.
And they cut the words “no loading times”.