rnlval
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From https://www.tweaktown.com/articles/9199/gears-benchmarked-1080p-1440p-4k/index5.html
For Gears 5 (Unreal Engine 4), XSX's "RDNA 2 " based GPU is potent.
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From https://www.tweaktown.com/articles/9199/gears-benchmarked-1080p-1440p-4k/index5.html
For Gears 5 (Unreal Engine 4), XSX's "RDNA 2 " based GPU is potent.
Apollo Helios
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So what's everyone thinking on this now that SeX is revealed?
I think whoever put this has heard TF number but calculated his own opinion of CU and GHz.
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David Ricardo
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I don't know what you mean by "space". So you can't read from both at the same time?
SportsFan581
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I have the same question. Someone that knows how this works please reply. LOL
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LED Guy?
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Yeah that's what came to mind, EVEN if it is not 100 FPS (which it is), you're still looking at...From https://www.tweaktown.com/articles/9199/gears-benchmarked-1080p-1440p-4k/index5.html
For Gears 5 (Unreal Engine 4), XSX's "RDNA 2 " based GPU is potent.
- Native 4K/60FPS.
- 50% more particle effects than PC Ultra. (can be demanding at times).
- Better volumetric lighting than PC Ultra. (demanding).
- New tech: Contact-hardening shadows. (demanding).
- Screen-space Ray Traced Global Illumination. (demanding).
This already is better than what RTX 2080 Ti offers, we haven't looked at it being 100FPS as well.
Looks like they optimized the Unreal 4 engine even more and maybe the RDNA 2 GPU architecture is 50% more efficient because that with the 12 TFs = more performance than the RTX 2080 Ti.
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TLZ
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We did read Sony is paying more than MS for cooling, so that may make sense.
Zero707
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hmm OBR 40CU at 2.0 Ghz or 44CU at 2.0 Ghz
B_Boss
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Sosokrates
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Says you getting all angry, and telling me to seek help, wtf are u talking about, there are people that take this that seriously, its really weird you are so triggerd by me just pointing it out what some warriors are doing.
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You can read from the first 10GB at 320bits.
The other 6GB can only be read at 192bits.
The first 10GB will have data that is striped across all of the memory modules to achieve 320bits.
The last 6GB will have data that is striped only across all the higher capacity chips to achieve 192bits.
This is because the higher capacity chips have a memory space (the extra capacity) that does not exist in the lower capacity chips and therefore cannot be striped with them. But this limitation only occurs when you use the extra capacity on the higher capacity chips, therefore if you stick to the first half of the memory space you can read across both the lower and higher capacity chips at once.
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Neo Blaster
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Oh, boy, it doesn't matter whether PS5 is 12, 13, 14, 15 TF, XDF will push the 25 TF narrative till the end of next gen.
Matreios Raven
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So what's everyone thinking on this now that SeX is revealed?
I think whoever put this has heard TF number but calculated his own opinion of CU and GHz.
Is this consistent with Tommy Fisher’s claims for the PS5?
SportsFan581
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^ Thanks for the explanation kb.
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Negotiator
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It's kinda reminiscent of GTX 970 (3.5GB fast RAM + 0.5GB slow RAM). It's a cost-cutting measure, nothing more, nothing less.
16GB RAM is cheaper than 20GB of RAM, especially after this (and let's not forget the corona debacle):
NVIDIA & AMD Graphics Cards Could Get More Expensive in 2020 Due To Rising DRAM Demand
NVIDIA & AMD graphics cards could see a price jump as industry insiders report that a major GDDR6 memory shortage is imminent in early 2020.
wccftech.com
IIRC, nVidia eventually did some smart driver tricks to mitigate potential bottlenecks. I guess MS will do the same with their SDK tools.
The only difference is that MS (unlike nVidia) is very upfront in terms of divulging technical details and I appreciate that.
Nvidia settles class-action lawsuit over GTX 970 VRAM - KitGuru
The GTX 970 has been an incredibly successful graphics card for Nvidia, it even went on to become th
www.kitguru.net
kyliethicc
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Tommy Fisher said 52 CUs @ 2.0 GHz. Not 60 CUs at 1.7 GHz. Still both equal 13.3 TF.
Zero707
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who said 11.6 TF ? was it the Pigeon dude ?
DeepEnigma
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Nobody is angry. It’s your wild fantasies keeping me entertained. Keep going. Please.
I’m trying to figure out your wild shit like this.
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Farrell55
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On Raw numbers yes on some other Details Not for example tommy claimed 52cu's @2ghz
Matreios Raven
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I believe so.
It's kinda reminiscent of GTX 970 (3.5GB fast RAM + 0.5GB slow RAM). It's a cost-cutting measure, nothing more, nothing less.
16GB RAM is cheaper than 20GB of RAM, especially after this (and let's not forget the corona debacle):
NVIDIA & AMD Graphics Cards Could Get More Expensive in 2020 Due To Rising DRAM Demand
NVIDIA & AMD graphics cards could see a price jump as industry insiders report that a major GDDR6 memory shortage is imminent in early 2020.
IIRC, nVidia eventually did some smart driver tricks to mitigate potential bottlenecks. I guess MS will do the same with their SDK tools.
The only difference is that MS (unlike nVidia) is very upfront in terms of divulging technical details and I appreciate that.
Nvidia settles class-action lawsuit over GTX 970 VRAM - KitGuru
The GTX 970 has been an incredibly successful graphics card for Nvidia, it even went on to become th
Theres not much you can do to reduce the performance difference. But I imagine that Microsoft will mainly reserve the lower performance pool for the OS to try and reduce its impact.
Apollo Helios
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Tommy Fisher said:
Shading Units: 3,328
TMUS: 208
ROPS: 88
Compute Units: 52
L1 Cache: 32 KB (Per CU)
L2 Cache: 4MB
Clock ~ 2.0Ghz
Memory Type: ---
Memory Size: ---
Bus Width: ---
As you can see he didn't have all the info but the total was = 13.3TF with different configurations to 4chan one.
ethomaz
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I believe Sony uses FreeBSD... that is a BSD-like OS not related with Linux.
The most popular BSD-like OS is Apple MacOS X.
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Apollo Helios
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Isn't this dude who put 52 coo coos in his pigeon and post so 52CUs?
JLMC469
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I believe so...
Apollo Helios
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Im not even going to touch that second comment as I know its pretty volatile.
The reason that Sony uses freeBSD based OS's instead of Linux is because FreeBSD has a lot less restrictions on its license allowing Sony to make changes and also charge commercially for it without providing the source.
Sosokrates
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Its strange that the leak stated that the PS5 BOM is less then the XSX.
It would be surprising that the ps5 has more ram, a more powerful GPU and is cheaper, all whilen having a more expensive cooling system.
My guess for why this could be the case would be that ms spent more on the overall design, the xsx is a very sleek design regarding its modular design, things like the dual motherboard and fancy fan may have bumped up the price?
ethomaz
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PS5 won’t have more CUs than Xbox.
So what's everyone thinking on this now that SeX is revealed?
I think whoever put this has heard TF number but calculated his own opinion of CU and GHz.
They are basically using a smaller die.
So 48? 50?
Farrell55
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is the consolophobic guy still not fed up? does he want to embarrass himself even more here?
Metroiddarks
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Those fans of pc gaming are just ridiculous they think the world is trying to trick them, the consoles will be better than more the 98% of pc gaming right now
and that number will still so high for much time even if the rtx 3080 ti is 2 time the XSX because will cost more than double.
That is the consequence when we allow a to a company to sell us GPU with huge margin of profits and this is worst in the SSD side this side will take even more time.
The high GPUs of AMD and Nvidia will be more powerful nobody expects the opposite but the thing here is the price and many people will migrate/return to console
gaming because with hardware price, services like gamepass, digital price are similar or even better than the PC, PC will pass a hard time.
Nvidia specially needs to bring down its prices or for the next year or two will not matter if the 3080 ti is 2 times XSX if cost more than PS5 and XSX together.
and that number will still so high for much time even if the rtx 3080 ti is 2 time the XSX because will cost more than double.
That is the consequence when we allow a to a company to sell us GPU with huge margin of profits and this is worst in the SSD side this side will take even more time.
The high GPUs of AMD and Nvidia will be more powerful nobody expects the opposite but the thing here is the price and many people will migrate/return to console
gaming because with hardware price, services like gamepass, digital price are similar or even better than the PC, PC will pass a hard time.
Nvidia specially needs to bring down its prices or for the next year or two will not matter if the 3080 ti is 2 times XSX if cost more than PS5 and XSX together.
I think both will have 16GB, but Sony will be using a 256bit bus.
ethomaz
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I guess that is the reason too.
But BSD kernel is pretty stable... even more than Linux kernel... it is faster too due having less things at it core.
Now the second it is just I don’t believe there is any other BSD OS with mass market like Apple... basically all MacBook, iMac, etc uses BSD.
Curious about iOS... is iOS based in BSD?
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Farrell55
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Where is this smaller die confirmed? Do you have a link/Source?
Negotiator
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I know a certain someone who had to self-ban himself due to doxxing many months ago. He sent me a farewell PM and that was it.
Pretty unfortunate, so I guess it's wise to avoid revealing personal details (not even your PSN/XBL gamertag) to internet strangers, even if they seem "friendly". Better safe than sorry.
Not just the OS, they can also use it for textures and stuff like that.
They'll need the high-speed pool to store the framebuffer and of course there's also a generous amount of SRAM (L2 cache) for tiling (DSBR).
saintjules
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Kinda disappointed that the Series X Controller still uses AA batteries. What's the decision for this? Thankfully I still have the rechargeables.
Apollo Helios
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OK maybe it won't have 60 CUs but there is no guarantee that it will be a smaller die or no proof at least.
Sosokrates
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How did people deduct 1743mhz from this?
01011001
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there's nothing confirmed, I think this comes from a guy who accurately ""leaked"" the dimensions of the Series X's SoC, he also had measurements for the PS5's SoC
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ethomaz
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Nice.iOS is based on Darwin which is based on BSD as well so you could argue that.
So all Apple OS uses BSD at core.
Apollo Helios
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I think that PS5 will have 20GB GDDR6 (10 modules and 320bit bus) so the MS's higher bandwidth is gonna be sustained for PS5 and 4GB of DDR4 for OS. That is why BB article points to higher than expected BOM as the RAM prices soared lately.
HawarMiran
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too see what 4k looks like you need a 4k screen
ethomaz
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I don’t think there is any source but all “leaks” points to a smaller chip from Sony.
The same Foxconn guy that said Xbox was aground 380mm2 said PS5 is around 350mm2.
I have a filling the different will be:
- Xbox a bit bigger with slower clock
- PS5 a bit smaller with higher clock
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Farrell55
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Okay so you Expect it can be smaller based on this guy, it will be very exciting to see whats Sony will deliver in the end
IntentionalPun
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Any leak that claims full BC of every PS* game day one is full of shit and should be disregarded IMO.
Apollo Helios
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No idea. And that number is highly specific too... I think it had something to do with small c big C in the Coos and ! sign placement??
HawarMiran
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Ralf halts Maul. Danke
01011001
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why wouldn't it? since when do people think more options are a bad thing? you can use the official battery pack, you can use yoir own AA batteries or you can use third party offerings.
I have battery packs made by Energizer for example, they come with a charge dock and last about 10h... cheap, long enough battery life and you just put the controller in the charge dock after you're done playing.
before that I used high quality AA rechargables.
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