Elektro Demon
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The PlayStation 5 will dictate Future tech tendencies when It comes to hardware
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martino
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“Usual suspects” “you fans”
What’s wrong with you buddy
in psychology it's called projection
Dee Dah Dave
Member
3+ GHz CPU and 9+ TF GPU will be fine for Sony 1st party to work with, stop worrying!
I’m not sure what any of this has to do with what I said but whatever. Seems your mind is set. Hope we get some cool stuff out of next gen games.
JareBear: Remastered
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I guess it’s easier for him to make blanket phantom accusations than actually quote reply/multi quote cases of something happening then those cases dont really exist
LordOfChaos
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My estimate as that at the very least, by the middle of this generation, games assumptions will move away from assuming mechanical IO as they do now. That means packing RAM with lots of idle assets that you only might see, block and file size optimizations, and of course the classic elevators/roadblocks to hide load times.
Might take a while more to become the minimum requirement, on PCs you largely can run most games even if you shouldn't, but it will start to get more and more painful running a game on a HDD as the assumptions start optimizing for SSDs. So long as you can store terrabytes so much more cheaply on HDDs on PCs they'll be around for a while.
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Bumblebeetuna
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Wow, another one.
Why do people talk like the XSX has an old tech super slow HDD in it or something
It’s strange, blatantly inferior hardware is brushed off as no big deal and not something that will reveal itself in most games. It’s all about “well, both are great hardware!” (and they are). But when it comes to the SSD it’s like the PS5 is incredible and mind blowing and the XSX SSD is trash in comparison. Even though, like the claims are about the superior XSX power, most games aren’t going to utilize the SSD in the PS5 to cure cancer like people are speculating.
Why do people talk like the XSX has an old tech super slow HDD in it or something
It’s strange, blatantly inferior hardware is brushed off as no big deal and not something that will reveal itself in most games. It’s all about “well, both are great hardware!” (and they are). But when it comes to the SSD it’s like the PS5 is incredible and mind blowing and the XSX SSD is trash in comparison. Even though, like the claims are about the superior XSX power, most games aren’t going to utilize the SSD in the PS5 to cure cancer like people are speculating.
I doubt there will be any difference in that matter.
Not only that....PCs with good old HDDs will still have LOD advantage
Barnabot
Member
was going to post this. thanks for stepping ahead.
Deeper Underground
Member
lol Man, for someone who sees himself as neutral, you sure took that comment way harder than needed. It’s ok guy. Xbox is a great system and will sell many units.
Lionel Richie
Member
Fanboys truly going DARVO, what a sight to behold.
JareBear: Remastered
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I would say 70 percent of my gaming “economy” or whatever is invested in Sony. 20 percent PC, 10 percent MS/Xbox
My 360 collected dust next to my PS3. I owned a One for like 3 months before selling it. Been playing JRPGs on my Pro nonstop over the last 2 weeks, 200+ hours worth and going strong
Bro, I said they are both powerful. I’m buying a PS5 day one no matter what.
But I don’t believe in blind allegience to anything. The XsX reveal impressed me a lot, the PS5 presentation did not. I’m especially disappointed in the CPU and GPU specs. They aren’t bad, but I wanted more.
That’s fair, in my eyes anyway.
Additonally, it’s hard for me to sit back and just watch bullshit get spouted on both sides. The XsX has ultra fast storage, period. The PS5 has faster ultra fast storage. Period. That’s great. As of yet we have not seen any demo how this will benefit gameplay. We just have armchair dev speculations.
It’s up to Sony to show the goods, I can only go by what I see
So far the XsX has shown more and shown well, just in my opinion. People wanna pretend like the XsX SSD is a bottleneck and I think that’s bullshit, and if it is the bottleneck it’s a pretty generous one.
Im on your side man. I want both to turn out great. It’s okay to criticize things you support.
But so far XsX has shown up with raw power and PS5 has shown spreadsheets and secret sauce speculation. Sony needs to show the goods
I don’t believe that you have to only support one console and always at the expense of the other
IMO if you’re a person who only say good things about one console, no matter what, and only bad things about the other console, no matter what, then you are part of the problem.
Can Sony’s SSD change gaming? I hope so, that would be great. Don’t tell me about it, show me about it. Show me something.
At the very least we have seen what XsX can do with Gears 5, which is better than nothing
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Vawn
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Remember when consoles were doing completely different things and had almost exclusively different libraries? I miss those days.
Ever since Xbox arrived we've had two consoles trying to do the same thing. The only real difference was the exclusive games for each. Luckily, we still have Nintendo offering at least one different experience each generation.
Hopefully, these two companies are starting to focus on different things and can offer more unique experiences.
Ever since Xbox arrived we've had two consoles trying to do the same thing. The only real difference was the exclusive games for each. Luckily, we still have Nintendo offering at least one different experience each generation.
Hopefully, these two companies are starting to focus on different things and can offer more unique experiences.
Trainsmove
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The PS5 is a Glorified RTX5700 with Rdna 2 parts.
It's not Special at all.
When there's a upcoming new Nvidia3000,Big Navi 6000, and at the low end a XBXS.
PS5 is some where at the bottom, maybe a 2070 on a good day?
The new cards will have VRS and Mash shading built into the hardware both not in PS5, that will have to run in software on PS5 that will use even more of that 10TF and CPU Resources.
The fact that the 256bits bus is Split with the GPU and CPU Causing memory contention makes this a weaker console. The simple fact that Developers have too make a Choice between CPU and GPU Due to power restrictions, makes this a weaker box. Revolutionary unfortunately is not the mark of weaker hardware but the mark of a innovative and powerful Box for the money, And this aint it....
It's not Special at all.
When there's a upcoming new Nvidia3000,Big Navi 6000, and at the low end a XBXS.
PS5 is some where at the bottom, maybe a 2070 on a good day?
The new cards will have VRS and Mash shading built into the hardware both not in PS5, that will have to run in software on PS5 that will use even more of that 10TF and CPU Resources.
The fact that the 256bits bus is Split with the GPU and CPU Causing memory contention makes this a weaker console. The simple fact that Developers have too make a Choice between CPU and GPU Due to power restrictions, makes this a weaker box. Revolutionary unfortunately is not the mark of weaker hardware but the mark of a innovative and powerful Box for the money, And this aint it....
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Whitecrow
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I agree with you OP.
Even if PS5 is slightly less powerfull, it brings a series of innovations that may stay here from now on in the hardware to come.
For the industry that is something very important.
And for audiophiles, the work on audio is godsend.
I welcome the Sony's vision all going beyond the dick measurement competition.
Even if PS5 is slightly less powerfull, it brings a series of innovations that may stay here from now on in the hardware to come.
For the industry that is something very important.
And for audiophiles, the work on audio is godsend.
I welcome the Sony's vision all going beyond the dick measurement competition.
Vawn
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Actually, Sony uses the "make the best games" strategy - and it "obvousely" keeps working.
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thelastword
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Yes OP....The PS5 hardware is indeed a revolution in design......My biggest takeaway is that Cerny ensured every aspect of the hardware is at a high level, we have never seen that before...…..GPU at 10.3TF plus pretty much all bottlenecks removed and a design to maximize framerates based on the game you are rendering.....If you are rendering Super Lucky Tales on PS5 at 4K 60fps, no need to maximize clocks, let the PS5 utilize just enough power to hit that with aplomb....Same would go with indies etc.....If you have a game that pushes the boundaries, then you will get to max clocks and the console will still be cool because the threshold of a cool PS5 is way over 2.23Ghz and 3.5GHZ (GPU and CPU respectively)…..That is an excellent power design for a console, just brilliant....
A blazing fast 5.5GB/s SSD with 22GB/s uncompressed, means that there is room for ambitious devs to really maximize their streaming systems......That SSD is so fast that caching off that PCIE4 drive is going to work in tandem with RAM at blazing speeds, it's something we have never really seen before.....The majority of persons still game off mechanical drives, so the custom IO with all it's extra silicon is going to make the SSD serve in textures and assets on the fly in under a second.....But forget about speed, think of the textures you can stream in, think of the variety devs can offer in assets and textures, think of how much easier it will be to randomize a level or world since the streaming and I/O system is so fast......Yet it's not just the SSD that's fast, as the new textures are drawn in, the GPU saves bandwidth with the primitive shaders and cache scrubbers, things are kept blazing fast in all aspects of the hardware and pipeline, nothing is held back anywhere...…...
The CPU is fast, it wont have to do lots of IO/SOUND cycles, the culling load on the CPU will be extremely small.....So much more CPU cycles are now available to do better Physics and A.I......It's why I say, I've never seen a design so complete.....It's like Cerny sat down and asked, he himself a dev, what slows down games in our pipeline, what has butchered our framerates at runtime, what takes the longest time in reciprocating at runtime......he sat down and he his aim was to streamline all of that, the entire process.......It's the very reason that you are getting under 1 month to triangle on PS5, otherwise the old archaic system would have bottlenecked the development system as it always did.....In essence time is money, money is time, but moreso in this case, time saved is more ambition for our games, better world design, better level design, better ai, better physics......Cerny saw the whole picture and this may very well be his magnum OPUS, where all future consoles and even PC will follow....
Sound has been neglected so much everywhere, most times we are only relegated to the sound chip on our MB on PC, this gen's consoles were certainly not as good with sound as the PS3 was, and that was due to the CELL.....It's refreshing that Cerny has aimed high there as well and look how ambitious the sound system in PS5 is......He Cerny is trying to raise all aspects of game design in one fell swoop, I have never seen such ambition in design before...….
So Imagine this, what is possible?...…..Imagine you are entering a portal to traverse/battle or to go an adventure, it can be randomized on the fly, you can get a different world everytime you enter, a breathing living highly detailed world because of how fast all the hardware systems work.....Something like No Man Sky 2 could really come alive....Open world games would better mimic different environments and details based on when you traversed and what transpired before your journey, time of day details, weather details will be much more accurately detailed and load on the fly......Think of a racer, if you want to, you could change how a track looks everytime you race it because the IO and streaming system is that fast...….With GT7, on Tokyo I can see different vendors, details, people working in those high-rise buildings at nights, people going to take the trains, more randomized looks and faces to NPC's everytime you race around the track, certain small details changes, the guy who was walking along Kojima St is no longer there or further along as you do lap 3...…..The systems are so fast, that the possibilities are endless.....
I really think that the PS5 is such a strong design because it was solely made for devs…..It took care of them really well....So if devs are happy, gamers will be extremely happy. because......Game design, level design, physics, Ai and ambition in creating games, with more variety, more detail and ATD will be a thing......That will easily translate to some of the best games we have ever seen.....Everything is correlated. happy devs means happy gamers..... and just as no hardware system on PS5 will slow down any part adversely, it's the same logic applied here by Cerny, he saw the bigger picture and was ambitious enough to tackle it...…..I think next gen will be the best we've ever seen in terms of quality game output for a while and I think that will mostly be because of the PS5 and SWWS.....SWWS having a hardware system where every aspect is ambitious, means they can go broke......There is no jaguar here, there is no weak NV GPU on PS3 here and we all know what they did with those...….I think when Sony reveals their first party games for the first time this year, people's eyes will melt...I'm pretty sure they are biding their time for full effect.....As it stands, November is still many months away, so they do have some time, lots of time really......Makes no sense to show the goods early and you have to wait all this while pining to get that disk in the tray.....Personally, I cant wait.....
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A blazing fast 5.5GB/s SSD with 22GB/s uncompressed, means that there is room for ambitious devs to really maximize their streaming systems......That SSD is so fast that caching off that PCIE4 drive is going to work in tandem with RAM at blazing speeds, it's something we have never really seen before.....The majority of persons still game off mechanical drives, so the custom IO with all it's extra silicon is going to make the SSD serve in textures and assets on the fly in under a second.....But forget about speed, think of the textures you can stream in, think of the variety devs can offer in assets and textures, think of how much easier it will be to randomize a level or world since the streaming and I/O system is so fast......Yet it's not just the SSD that's fast, as the new textures are drawn in, the GPU saves bandwidth with the primitive shaders and cache scrubbers, things are kept blazing fast in all aspects of the hardware and pipeline, nothing is held back anywhere...…...
The CPU is fast, it wont have to do lots of IO/SOUND cycles, the culling load on the CPU will be extremely small.....So much more CPU cycles are now available to do better Physics and A.I......It's why I say, I've never seen a design so complete.....It's like Cerny sat down and asked, he himself a dev, what slows down games in our pipeline, what has butchered our framerates at runtime, what takes the longest time in reciprocating at runtime......he sat down and he his aim was to streamline all of that, the entire process.......It's the very reason that you are getting under 1 month to triangle on PS5, otherwise the old archaic system would have bottlenecked the development system as it always did.....In essence time is money, money is time, but moreso in this case, time saved is more ambition for our games, better world design, better level design, better ai, better physics......Cerny saw the whole picture and this may very well be his magnum OPUS, where all future consoles and even PC will follow....
Sound has been neglected so much everywhere, most times we are only relegated to the sound chip on our MB on PC, this gen's consoles were certainly not as good with sound as the PS3 was, and that was due to the CELL.....It's refreshing that Cerny has aimed high there as well and look how ambitious the sound system in PS5 is......He Cerny is trying to raise all aspects of game design in one fell swoop, I have never seen such ambition in design before...….
So Imagine this, what is possible?...…..Imagine you are entering a portal to traverse/battle or to go an adventure, it can be randomized on the fly, you can get a different world everytime you enter, a breathing living highly detailed world because of how fast all the hardware systems work.....Something like No Man Sky 2 could really come alive....Open world games would better mimic different environments and details based on when you traversed and what transpired before your journey, time of day details, weather details will be much more accurately detailed and load on the fly......Think of a racer, if you want to, you could change how a track looks everytime you race it because the IO and streaming system is that fast...….With GT7, on Tokyo I can see different vendors, details, people working in those high-rise buildings at nights, people going to take the trains, more randomized looks and faces to NPC's everytime you race around the track, certain small details changes, the guy who was walking along Kojima St is no longer there or further along as you do lap 3...…..The systems are so fast, that the possibilities are endless.....
I really think that the PS5 is such a strong design because it was solely made for devs…..It took care of them really well....So if devs are happy, gamers will be extremely happy. because......Game design, level design, physics, Ai and ambition in creating games, with more variety, more detail and ATD will be a thing......That will easily translate to some of the best games we have ever seen.....Everything is correlated. happy devs means happy gamers..... and just as no hardware system on PS5 will slow down any part adversely, it's the same logic applied here by Cerny, he saw the bigger picture and was ambitious enough to tackle it...…..I think next gen will be the best we've ever seen in terms of quality game output for a while and I think that will mostly be because of the PS5 and SWWS.....SWWS having a hardware system where every aspect is ambitious, means they can go broke......There is no jaguar here, there is no weak NV GPU on PS3 here and we all know what they did with those...….I think when Sony reveals their first party games for the first time this year, people's eyes will melt...I'm pretty sure they are biding their time for full effect.....As it stands, November is still many months away, so they do have some time, lots of time really......Makes no sense to show the goods early and you have to wait all this while pining to get that disk in the tray.....Personally, I cant wait.....
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It's the opposite of 2013 lol. People are trying to talk down the XSX and create secret sauce that doesn't exist for the PS5.Wow, another one.
Why do people talk like the XSX has an old tech super slow HDD in it or something
It’s strange, blatantly inferior hardware is brushed off as no big deal and not something that will reveal itself in most games. It’s all about “well, both are great hardware!” (and they are). But when it comes to the SSD it’s like the PS5 is incredible and mind blowing and the XSX SSD is trash in comparison. Even though, like the claims are about the superior XSX power, most games aren’t going to utilize the SSD in the PS5 to cure cancer like people are speculating.
JareBear: Remastered
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Don’t devs have to jump through an extra hoop with this variable frequency/power profile juggling?
As far as bottlenecks, isn’t there a bottleneck with the CUs when RT is incorporated? I don’t expect either console to excel at RT but on paper it seems like PS5 isn’t very equipped for it
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
That does raise the question of why they are showing it off. MS is killing it messaging-wise, but they need to stop showing current gen games.
VFXVeteran
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The console hardware is dictated by PC hardware and demand from the developers. They have, afterall, PC components in them. Specifically, GPU companies and what they have reached at a certain point in time during the generation cycle. Hardware is picked very early on contrary to what people think. Around the time a 1080Ti was developed, Sony and MS was bidding on what their next-gen hardware would look like.
Since the CPU and storage limitations have finally been addressed for the foreseeable future, I suspect Sony and MS will try to design around heading towards maximum memory bandwidth, GPU capability with ray-tracing and overall memory footprint as the main driver.
Of course it is if you run heavy graphics and then avx256 instructions are out they automatic down clock all by themselves. That is a big bottleneck right there tossing out a huge zen 2 gain to avoid down clocks. The whole variable clocks is a bottleneck that will cause developers to work around it.
Of course, it would naturally present games without optimization to demonstrate that the SX is bad
Sony says the clock is at maximum
you: lie
MS PRESENTS state of decay with POP-IN: not optimized
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Leyasu
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Perhaps they didn't waste time on a tech demo just to show off the data streaming of their SSD? Who knows? Who cares?
The games will come at around the time that E3 was meant to happen.
It should also be noted that SoD takes forever to load. So 9 seconds on the XsX is already much much better. So games made with an SSD in mind should be great.
Leyasu
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lol I never called sony or anyone a liar. I merely implied that not everything is black and white.
State of decay takes ages to load and has pop in already. Perhaps they showed it because the people that have already played it can gauge the improvement provided by the SSD without having to make anything especially to show it off.
If you thought about it instead of letting the fanboy rage cloud your judgement, then you would arrive at the same conclusion.
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JareBear: Remastered
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So for DF head to head videos next gen are loading times and instances of pop-in gonna start getting equal play time as resolution and FPS? Seems like it’s the new battleground
VFXVeteran
Banned
Are you talking to me?
VlaudTheImpaler
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Don't forget Dedicated Ray Tracing hardware.
JareBear: Remastered
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I believe he was talking to the OP
I vaguely remember seeing the name in Ban History for insider posing
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Leyasu
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The new front in the endless console was opened last year when the wired article came out. Just going by the threads on here and other forums, the trenches have been dug, and the battle-hardened troops are ready for the onslaught.
Leyasu
Banned
Whatever mate. You obviously have nothing to say
Von Hugh
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CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Yeah, he was warned numerous times, he was reply banned more than once from Next Gen Spec thread and was site banned for 1 or 2 months for posing as an insider.
Windows-PC
Banned
Let's lay off the blatant, low effort console warring.
Yeah, no one cared about fast SSD's until it was PlayStation 5's only advantage over the XBox Series X.
It's crazy how many PlayStation Fan's prayed to the mighty Console God that the PlayStation 5 will be 13TF's, but since the mighty Console God didn't listen to all the prayers, SSD's are the only hope left for PlayStation Fans
It's unbelievable how fast priorities can change!
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SLoWMoTIoN
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the bottom of your controller will have an add on for VR
you know which kind of VR
it is gonna be HUGE
I camefromthefuture2
Rightisright
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It's all they have.
GymWolf
Member
well for example you can't contract chlamidya or gonorreha from ps5.
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GHG
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They've always covered things like pop in. Load times, no idea but I don't expect a significant difference between the two consoles in that area.
At this point I just want to see the consoles in action. To see what the extra teraflops really mean for series X games and to see if the extra SSD speeds results in anything interesting on the PS5.
At least then people can bicker about facts rather than theories.
SoloKingRobert
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Sony didn't announce Resume and other feature Microsoft announced. Xbox Series X was playing and resuming 5 different unoptimize games with improved Loading times, you didn't need to restart the games. It's an innovative feature.
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