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[Shmunter]

It also makes me wonder about their equivalent to VRS. I mean it took this long to get Oodles Textures confirmed so maybe they still have to reveal more features like their version of VRS.

Sony would have evaluated all the options on the table. Their decision making thus far should give confidence their choice on the matter makes sense one way or another.

 

[MasterCornholio]

That should have never been in doubt.

I just like confirmation of these things that's all. I really don't like debating over tech that might or might not be there.

Sony would have evaluated all the options on the table. Their decision making thus far should give confidence their choice on the matter makes sense one way or another.

Pretty sure they did and I'm sure that Sony was able to look at tech similar to VRS for their system if it truly provides a massive benefit. Truth is not all the information will be released to the public so the PS5 could still contain some features that only developers know about.

 

[Neo Blaster]

They already said, that there are no differences in hardware besides the disc drive. No reason for a cheaper price. Atleast not a difference like 50 €/$.

Then there's no point for anyone to grab DE, why pick something offering less value for the same price? That's why Xbox One SAD was so criticized.

 

[TBiddy]

Or maybe he's just guessing here and really doesn't have any information on what the price will be.

Of course he's guessing. It's very unlikely that many outside of the top brass at Sony knows the price.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Of course he's guessing. It's very unlikely that many outside of the top brass at Sony knows the price.

Yep so he doesn't really know. I think that's the conclusion everyone should have with him.

 

[Neo Blaster]

According to some of the more rabid people on this forum, Penello "doesn't know shit", so apparantly the PS5 will be 600$.

But he doesn't indeed, what he's doing is making the same assumption anyone who witnessed the 'two jobs PS3' debacle already made.

 

[TBiddy]

Yep so he doesn't really know. I think that's the conclusion everyone should have with him.

At least in this specific talk, yes. Him saying the PS5 isn't over 499$ doesn't confirm anything.

 

[yewles1]

You might be right about that, but I wouldn't bet on it either. If I'm honest, the digital edition would be enough for me, since 80% of my games are digital and I bought the majority of the disc games for a price similar to the one in the store. However, I also like to buy special and collectors editions from my favorite games, which is why the DE is not an option for me. In the end, the price will matter most.


Sorry but that's not true. Two arguments: XBOX One S and PSP Go.



Oh please, let's not argue about $ 10 right now. Even with a $ 20 difference, my reasoning remains the same and I still believe that the DE will cost $ 100 less.

Let's see this from Sonys perspective:
They don't sell a second PS5 without a drive if sony didn't think it would pay off for them and there is a market for it. This also means that the potential customer must be given an incentive to buy. Is it an incentive to buy if both consoles cost the same or the DE is only $ 50 less?

Of course, Sony could sell both for the same price and add a few things to the DE. However, that would not make sense. Of course there are customers who would be happy about 12 months of PS Plus or other "gifts" (for example free games). But not every customer needs PS Plus, not every customer needs a special game. These would then buy the PS5 with a drive. Of course, the customers will stay with the PS5, but then it would have been pointless to bring a digital edition onto the market. The best incentive for the customer would be a significantly lower price so that they can decide for themselves what to buy for the money they saved.

I think that the financial advantage Sony has from the omission of the drive from the DE is also slightly underestimated. We should also not forget that the XBOX Series S is still possible - which would be a real competitor for Sony if both PS5s cost the same. The DE would only be a competitor for the Series S if it could keep up in price.

PSP Go is not really a good argument.

Retail 'rebelled' against PSPgo - MCV/DEVELOP

There are lots of opinions about why the PSPgo failed to establish itself in the market, but GamesBrief analyst Nicholas Lovell believes it's rocky

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This post has not been edited by the GamesBeat staff. Opinions by GamesBeat community writers do not necessarily reflect those of the staff. Editor’s note: Jon analyzes the reasons why certain retailers aren’t selling the PSP Go. If I ran a game store, I’d be leery not because of digital...

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[THE:MILKMAN]

I still find it odd that Sony even announced the DE console and especially the fact the sole difference is the disc drive. The demographic this appeals to is the one that 1, are already digital with PS4, 2, more likely to pay more for a console in the first place not less, 3, buy more games/DLC etc.

The market for the DE is likely <30% and if the disc version is $100 more what do people think the more price conscious 70+% will think about that and the fact if they went with the lower priced DE they would also be losing their current physical PS4 games most likely?

Maybe I'm wrong though and the masses will just go for a cheaper DE on mass just to get a PS5 at the lowest price possible?

 

[Shmunter]

I still find it odd that Sony even announced the DE console and especially the fact the sole difference is the disc drive. The demographic this appeals to is the one that 1, are already digital with PS4, 2, more likely to pay more for a console in the first place not less, 3, buy more games/DLC etc.

The market for the DE is likely <30% and if the disc version is $100 more what do people think the more price conscious 70+% will think about that and the fact if they went with the lower priced DE they would also be losing their current physical PS4 games most likely?

Maybe I'm wrong though and the masses will just go for a cheaper DE on mass just to get a PS5 at the lowest price possible?

It’s a marketing ploy to say PS5 from $xxx. Like the 360 arcade in the day.

 

[BadBreathOfTheWild]

The cost of the license is included in the cost of the devkit, I would assume.

I think a developer licence is a couple of grand and hasn’t increased because of this to my knowledge?

 

[iamvin22]

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

It’s a marketing ploy to say PS5 from $xxx. Like the 360 arcade in the day.

Right now I'm thinking it could be more than that. If Lockhart is real and comes in at a very appealing low price they want something in their back pocket if they need to get aggressive with price. At least if they lose a lot of money on the console they can make it back through the digital store over time.

As it stands right now (assuming the price for the DE is lower than the Disc version) it is a bad look to >70% of your market that are price conscious.

 

[IntentionalPun]

I still find it odd that Sony even announced the DE console and especially the fact the sole difference is the disc drive. The demographic this appeals to is the one that 1, are already digital with PS4, 2, more likely to pay more for a console in the first place not less, 3, buy more games/DLC etc.

The market for the DE is likely <30% and if the disc version is $100 more what do people think the more price conscious 70+% will think about that and the fact if they went with the lower priced DE they would also be losing their current physical PS4 games most likely?

Maybe I'm wrong though and the masses will just go for a cheaper DE on mass just to get a PS5 at the lowest price possible?

There's something to be said for marketing like "starting at $399" or whatever the DE ends up priced at.

That's what gets printed in Target ads, and then the fine print of the version most people want has the real price.

It's how loads of products are sold; you know the majority won't be buying the cheaper option but you still throw that price around. I doubt the difference if based on cost will be $100 though; if it is, that's an Apple kinda move. (charge more than the difference in cost by a wide margin) I do think there is a good chance that's why they are going this route.

 

[Knitted Knight]

Do you folks think that with MS doin the entire "play your games the way you want to play" approach and "putting the consumer at the center of games" will allow onlike play on Xbox consoles for free like on PC?

They say both xbox and pc xbox live architecture is same and with all the xgs games coming to pc on same day, It seems like a rip-off to me that not only xbox owners are paying for your hardware but then you milk them to play online games too. On pc people get to not only decide what hardware they play like low mid high but they get online free. How is this practice anything consumer friendly?

It doesn't feel like a rip off ... it simply is.

 

[Crimson_Fate]

I still find it odd that Sony even announced the DE console and especially the fact the sole difference is the disc drive. The demographic this appeals to is the one that 1, are already digital with PS4, 2, more likely to pay more for a console in the first place not less, 3, buy more games/DLC etc.

The market for the DE is likely <30% and if the disc version is $100 more what do people think the more price conscious 70+% will think about that and the fact if they went with the lower priced DE they would also be losing their current physical PS4 games most likely?

Maybe I'm wrong though and the masses will just go for a cheaper DE on mass just to get a PS5 at the lowest price possible?

Thats the demographic that the PS4 appealed to but eveyone had a choice

If you are sony and you are willing to take a loss on a console you want to guarantee that they can't play used games and that every single game purchase goes through your PSN store. Thats where the DE comes in.

Expect Sony not to take any loss on the Non-Digital edition so if you want the disk drive you will need to pay a premium for it .

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

There's something to be said for marketing like "starting at $399" or whatever the DE ends up priced at.

That's what gets printed in Target ads, and then the fine print of the version most people want has the real price.

It's how loads of products are sold; you know the majority won't be buying the cheaper option but you still throw that price around. I doubt the difference will be $100 though; if it is, that's an Apple kinda move. (charge more than the difference in cost by a wide margin)

Yeah but I don't think any previous lower priced console SKU had such a crucial part missing?

Thats the demographic that the PS4 appealed to but eveyone had a choice

If you are sony and you are willing to take a loss on a console you want to guarantee that they can't play used games and that every single game purchase goes through your PSN store. Thats where the DE comes in.

Expect Sony not to take any loss on the Non-Digital edition so if you want the disk drive you will need to pay a premium for it .

I don't understand your first sentence? All PS4's had a disc drive? Your last point Is where I think it doesn't make sense.....I don't think telling >70% to pay more if you want a disc drive is a good marketing plan. Lets see where this goes though. Maybe it is the time the masses are ready to let physical go.

 

[jamwest24]

I still find it odd that Sony even announced the DE console and especially the fact the sole difference is the disc drive. The demographic this appeals to is the one that 1, are already digital with PS4, 2, more likely to pay more for a console in the first place not less, 3, buy more games/DLC etc.

The market for the DE is likely <30% and if the disc version is $100 more what do people think the more price conscious 70+% will think about that and the fact if they went with the lower priced DE they would also be losing their current physical PS4 games most likely?

Maybe I'm wrong though and the masses will just go for a cheaper DE on mass just to get a PS5 at the lowest price possible?

Not trying to sound rude, but I’m not quite sure where your numbers are coming from at it being <30%. This article from GameInformer was published in July of 2019 and shows more than half of PS4’s games sold being digital. And I’m sure that number has only risen.

Of course Sony wants that “Starts at $$” line to be as low as possible, but I’m also sure they’ve been closely monitoring data for how consumers are buying their games. I’d also guess that whatever % of digital and physical they’re seeing will be factored into how many of each SKU they order for manufacturing so they don’t have a ton of one un-purchased SKU sitting on shelves.

 

[Shmunter]

Not trying to sound rude, but I’m not quite sure where your numbers are coming from at it being <30%. This article from GameInformer was published in July of 2019 and shows more than half of PS4’s games sold being digital. And I’m sure that number has only risen.

Of course Sony wants that “Starts at $$” line to be as low as possible, but I’m also sure they’ve been closely monitoring data for how consumers are buying their games. I’d also guess that whatever % of digital and physical they’re seeing will be factored into how many of each SKU they order for manufacturing so they don’t have a ton of one un-purchased SKU sitting on shelves.

The digital model is definitely the way to go for a budget sku. This is how Xbox should be doing it. No some 1080p retard model that will cause nothing but extra work for devs and potentially compromise the high end. See what happens.

 

[dimaveshkin]

https://www.gamespark.jp/article/2020/06/17/99923.html

In Russian: https://dtf.ru/gameindustry/154850-...ry-no-pokupka-igr-na-dva-pokoleniya-vozmozhna

I didn't translate Japanese source myself and I didn't find any English article yet, so following is my translation of text taken from article in Russian:

In a conversation with Gamespark, a Sony spokesman confirmed that the PS5 will not have a single system similar to Smart Delivery on the Xbox Series X, but the company is still going to support publishers who decide to provide players with a free transfer of games from PS4 to PS5.

A Sony representative did not specify how things would be with the games of the company itself. However, keep in mind that Smart Delivery still does not concern backward compatibility, which Sony has not yet discussed in detail, and future Sony games will be released only on the PS5, this system will not be needed.

 

[zaitsu]

Thats the demographic that the PS4 appealed to but eveyone had a choice

If you are sony and you are willing to take a loss on a console you want to guarantee that they can't play used games and that every single game purchase goes through your PSN store. Thats where the DE comes in.

Expect Sony not to take any loss on the Non-Digital edition so if you want the disk drive you will need to pay a premium for it .

Exactly

 

[TheContact]

I still find it odd that Sony even announced the DE console and especially the fact the sole difference is the disc drive. The demographic this appeals to is the one that 1, are already digital with PS4, 2, more likely to pay more for a console in the first place not less, 3, buy more games/DLC etc.

If the discless version is going to be $50 cheaper as we've seen from the x1s discless version it makes a lot of sense. Companies always try to get the barrier of entry down to as little as possible and if they can knock $50 off the price for people who don't care about a blu-ray drive, it's a smart business move.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

I think you’re missing a bit at the end.

XSX = last gen graphics at 120fps - after all these are xb1 games

What is this fud?

 

[Thirty7ven]

According to some of the more rabid people on this forum, Penello "doesn't know shit", so apparantly the PS5 will be 600$.

PS5 at 599€ is just the latest of the latest in the limited run series of hopes and dreams.

 

[jimbojim]

https://www.gamespark.jp/article/2020/06/17/99923.html

In Russian: https://dtf.ru/gameindustry/154850-...ry-no-pokupka-igr-na-dva-pokoleniya-vozmozhna

I didn't translate Japanese source myself, so following is taken from article in Russian:

Maybe it has, but it really depends on publisher. Neither MS and Sony can't force publisher to spread same game across multiple platforms for one price. If publisher want to sell same game few times, they will do it. Or publisher will support more version for one price. but like EA is doing on their own for Madden.

 

[dimaveshkin]

Maybe it has, but it really depends on publisher. Neither MS and Sony can't force publisher to spread same game across multiple platforms for one price. If publisher want to sell same game few times, they will do it. Or publisher will support more version for one price. but like EA is doing on their own for Madden.

For sure. It would be utterly strange if publishers decide to upgrade Xbox games for free and take a toll from PS users only.
But lack of buzzword to counter Smart Delivery will cause a new wave of FUD.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Every clip of this game.. I have no clue what is going on.

 

[DrDamn]

Didn't know that. Thanks for letting me know.

More info here - https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/06/10/inside-xbox-series-x-optimized-dirt-5/

You just need to get past the sheer number of "XBox Series X"'s in the opening paragraph :O

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Not trying to sound rude, but I’m not quite sure where your numbers are coming from at it being <30%. This article from GameInformer was published in July of 2019 and shows more than half of PS4’s games sold being digital. And I’m sure that number has only risen.

It is just my guess for console sales split, not digital game/DLC/MT sales % or split. Of course many disc-based console owners also buy some games/DLC/MT digitally too.

If the discless version is going to be $50 cheaper as we've seen from the x1s discless version it makes a lot of sense. Companies always try to get the barrier of entry down to as little as possible and if they can knock $50 off the price for people who don't care about a blu-ray drive, it's a smart business move.

I don't see it as that simple. It is a huge barrier to a big part of the market that like to share/sell/buy used etc. It isn't as simple as not having a blu-ray player. Yes they have the higher priced disc version if that is what they want but it goes back to my point about the most price conscious effectively being asked to pay more.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Smart Delivery is Xbox much needed answer to the question that surrounds their cross gen strategy.

Xbox first party games will be cross gen until early 2022 at least, so it begs the question.

On PS5 that problem doesn’t exist and third parties will decide for themselves just like they will on Xbox.

 

[MasterCornholio]

More info here - https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/06/10/inside-xbox-series-x-optimized-dirt-5/

You just need to get past the sheer number of "XBox Series X"'s in the opening paragraph :O

Some parts of the interview is annoying but it's pretty informative. Thanks for the link.

 

[Vognerful]

Hilarious is what it is

Because these guys find it funny if you shit on Xbox but they would dhit their pants if you implied that ps5 is bigger than xsx.

 

[Ar¢tos]

I still find it odd that Sony even announced the DE console and especially the fact the sole difference is the disc drive. The demographic this appeals to is the one that 1, are already digital with PS4, 2, more likely to pay more for a console in the first place not less, 3, buy more games/DLC etc.

The market for the DE is likely <30% and if the disc version is $100 more what do people think the more price conscious 70+% will think about that and the fact if they went with the lower priced DE they would also be losing their current physical PS4 games most likely?

Maybe I'm wrong though and the masses will just go for a cheaper DE on mass just to get a PS5 at the lowest price possible?

What's wrong with giving consumers options?
Nobody is saying that are making the same proportion of DE and disc versions, they will very likely make less DE because physical adoption is still high.

 

[iamvin22]

New official images

 

[Vognerful]

No one should be bashing anyone for their taste in games or preference. We can argue technical merits, etc., but bottom line, if somebody likes a game, an ecosystem, etc., it's not the place to tell them they're stupid for liking whatever it is.

I also think that after MS does another reveal or has some more announcements you'll see the discussion swing that way again as well. This thread has seemed to ebb and flow that way. Right now it's just that there was NO news at all regarding Sony and then that big presentation happened. So it's generated a lot of buzz. Prior to that and during and after the MS game preview, there was a lot of talk about THAT. So while yes there's people with preferences on both sides, I've seen the thread more like a pendulum swinging back and forth.

The imbalance was there before the demo of UE5. It was like this since March.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Thats the demographic that the PS4 appealed to but eveyone had a choice

If you are sony and you are willing to take a loss on a console you want to guarantee that they can't play used games and that every single game purchase goes through your PSN store. Thats where the DE comes in.

Expect Sony not to take any loss on the Non-Digital edition so if you want the disk drive you will need to pay a premium for it .

Exactly, want to pay less? Here it goes, but the catch is you can only buy games from us and no used games(not including account sales, of course).

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

New official images

vertical is gonna be where it’s at for me

not digging the horizontal look this time around

 

[iamvin22]

Every clip of this game.. I have no clue what is going on.

Haha yea. They need to fix player positions when ratchet warps. How it works now looks like a disadvantage to the end user. I'm sure they will fix this

 

[Neo Blaster]

Maybe it has, but it really depends on publisher. Neither MS and Sony can't force publisher to spread same game across multiple platforms for one price. If publisher want to sell same game few times, they will do it. Or publisher will support more version for one price. but like EA is doing on their own for Madden.

MS already tried that with Play Anywhere, didn't work much besides first party titles.

 

[nosseman]

Every clip of this game.. I have no clue what is going on.

Its a teleport (10 yards forward) but they made it look like the world is teleported 10 yards backwards.

 

[saintjules]

Interesting discussion. Nate has Insider Daniel Ahmad aka ZhugeEX on as well.

 

[Audiophile]

vertical is gonna be where it’s at for me

not digging the horizontal look this time around

It's grown on me massively in its vertical state, but I still think it looks hideous when it's horizontal. I'll be doing everything I can to keep it vertical, even if it means buying it its own little table..

 

[Vognerful]

I knew that bad mofo Cerny was under playing stuff. He left surprises for devs to see themselves. 22gb number wasn't put out there just cause. They would of stress test and hit that number multiple times to deem it note worthy. I guess this answers that unreal 8k texture stuff huh. RAD Gaming tools about to be bought by Sony if they haven't been already. Sony already own audiokinetic. So I can see it happening.

What do you reckon they hit. I say right now 9-12gb?? The number will rise as devs find tricks & upadtes roll out throughout the gen.

Isn't the 22 figure for audio and video only?

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

What's wrong with giving consumers options?
Nobody is saying that are making the same proportion of DE and disc versions, they will very likely make less DE because physical adoption is still high.

Nothing at all....

 

[IntentionalPun]

Its a teleport (10 yards forward) but they made it look like the world is teleported 10 yards backwards.

I get that they are warping and all that.

Just everything else about how everyone is running around and the enemies are focused on the sky and not you.

Just looks ridiculously hectic.

 

[ethomaz]

New official images

WOW digital version is way smaller than what I estimated... the left part is less than 6.5cm.

 

[jimbojim]

MS already tried that with Play Anywhere, didn't work much besides first party titles.

Yep. It failed

For sure. It would be utterly strange if publishers decide to upgrade Xbox games for free and take a toll from PS users only.
But lack of buzzword to counter Smart Delivery will cause a new wave of FUD.

I think it won't. Play Anywhere initiative failed for bigger titles, though.
Sony had their own cross-buy initiative accross PS3/PS4/PSV, but majority of indie devs supported that, bigger ones didn't.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

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My partner in crime, @Bo_Hazem has just earned a spot on the prestigious Top 20 GAF Member Ranking (Reaction Score) and I felt like it was something to recognize since no one has achieved this in such a short period of time on NeoGAF. Without further ado, lets give a round of applause to...

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Thanks to all of you for showing appreciation to what I post, I always hope to be a good contributor and maybe throw some jokes here and there

Now the English Premier League is back, I might get less active. Scousers gonna get their 19th title

 

[jimbojim]

Isn't the 22 figure for audio and video only?

For all it is

 

[Sinthor]

The imbalance was there before the demo of UE5. It was like this since March.

Sorry, but your profile says you've been here since May 21, 2020. So you know what was going on in March???? Bottom line, my point is that over the years, you see things sway. The talk was all Xbox after the games reveal...as it should have been. Then here especially in May forward, everyone was anticipating the Sony event. I don't think people should feel persecuted as the conversations ebb and flow. If that kind of thing is that damaging to an individual, I would recommend that they stay away from internet forums and comments altogether. The internet is often a rough place.