bitbydeath
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Microsoft or Take-Two would the best candidates IMO. (Of those currently applying)
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Microsoft or Take-Two would the best candidates IMO. (Of those currently applying)
ZZZZ
Member
I'd prefer Microsoft, Take-Two is putting a casino in every IP they own.
If they put micro transactions in the next X-COM game i'll be pissed, At least Firaxis is only chopping Civ to pieces at the moment.
AeneaGames
Member
And this is going to be in August? You mentioned next month? Or in the next monthS?
AeneaGames
Member
The war chest!
On a serious note, I also dont't hink they are that interested. They've already got so many studios now. I think they checked it out, dipped their toe in the water but weren't very serious. Would be a very expensive studio, and those IP'S are better kept multi platform
WB owns the IPs, WB Games does not, this would just be buying the studio, the people, not the IPs...
Ehmm, Activision is one of the companies that is also interested in buying WB Games. I think you misread it that MS wants to buy Take Two, Activision and EA? Otherwise I don't get what you said!
ToadMan
Member
The “never upwards” part doesn’t just apply to PS5.
To paraphrase
Dodkrake
I believe his point is that PS5 should hit a higher percentage of its notional max compute power more often, because it makes more wattage available as load increases.If Xsex isn’t using smartshift (still to be finally confirmed) then it is leaving some performance untapped exactly because it uses fixed clocks with cooling to a separate TDP for CPU and GPU, without the flexibility to allocate power between them.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
AeneaGames
Member
I started with an Atari XL and a tape recorder, talk about loading times, haha!
ToadMan
Member
I don’t think it’s as complex as chess!
More like trumps or snap lol
So MS May event wasn’t good. Sony in June just needed to be better than that. Not 10x better - just a clearly observable step up which I think everyone agrees they were.
So now it’s back on MS to be better than Sony’s June event after which, Sony will try to outdo MS again. And that continues until next next gen or one or the other decides the game is up and stops competing.
As Niki Lauda said “the secret is to win while going as slowly as possible”. In business terms the secret is to win while committing as little resources or money as possible - that’s what we’re watching right now.
Stiflers Mom
Banned
I remember going to the kitchen and cooking and then eating some pasta with tomato sauce after starting to load Elite from tape on my C64 back in the 80ies.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
You can reiterate the same fundamentally wrong point all day long, it'll still be wrong.
Yes, that must be it, must be trolling. Can't just be refuting completely bogus attempts of making 10 > 12.
Precisely, it doesn't create magic power out of nothing.
It is doing nothing more than trading power from one component to another. That is it. It is not magically generating efficiency or tflops or anything of the sort. The XSX isn't using Smartshift because it doesn't need to.
To paraphrase
I would love to know what ass you've pulled this bullshit FUD about the XSX apparently being incapable of supplying it's APU with sufficient amounts of power out of.
Go on, I'm waiting.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Just noticed that the correct name is actually Horizon II: Forbidden West! Notice the Roman number 2 under the "i" and between the lines. So, does that make Horizon name a registered game name for Sony? Or there is an older game that has it? Please don't bring Forza Horizon, be smarter. 
PS5 games gonna make true desktop 4K wallpapers! Already enjoying their pre-alpha ones!
PS5 games gonna make true desktop 4K wallpapers! Already enjoying their pre-alpha ones!
ToadMan
Member
Oh. You’re that guy .... you know the one who wants to argue about a tech issue but lacks the ability so just get all aggressive instead...
Seem like a lot of those have appeared again in the last 24 hours...
I presented the rationale - disprove it if you are capable.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
dimaveshkin
Member
Just noticed that the correct name is actually Horizon II: Forbidden West! Notice the Roman number 2 under the "i" and between the lines. So, does that make Horizon name a registered game name for Sony? Or there is an older game that has it? Please don't bring Forza Horizon, be smarter.
PS5 games gonna make true desktop 4K wallpapers! Already enjoying their pre-alpha ones!
It's just a stylized logo. Correct name of the game is still Horizon Forbidden West. It's called this way in every post. For example, official blog post.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Yup, I know that, but seems like they slid that II inside it somehow.
Nowcry
Member
ToadMan
So you have no intention of backing up your absurd claim that the XSX cannot provide it's APU with sufficient power.
Can't say that's surprising.
Nvidia 2080 super need PSU 600 - 650 watt recomended, OC versión To 12TFlops recomended 700wat, although there is not The same architecture is a good aproximation. The Next you can imagine.
Refrigeration also need more powerfull, 3 slot with 3 fans id recomended. 10nm vs 7nm is good but not Magic.
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Crazychipmunx
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I have a question regarding smartshift that someone with more tech knowledge might be able to answer.
From what I can gather, AMD's technology is automatic and flexible, allowing power to change on the fly due to the demands of the scene. This is similar for the PS5, however after watching the digital foundry analysis and Mark cernys comments it seems like developers will be able to decide and allocate budgets based on the scene being rendered using the model SOC e.g. if a scene is gpu intensive power can be allocated to where its needed etc. Therefore would this allow for greater control over system resources, and might be why developers are praising PS5 design?
From what I can gather, AMD's technology is automatic and flexible, allowing power to change on the fly due to the demands of the scene. This is similar for the PS5, however after watching the digital foundry analysis and Mark cernys comments it seems like developers will be able to decide and allocate budgets based on the scene being rendered using the model SOC e.g. if a scene is gpu intensive power can be allocated to where its needed etc. Therefore would this allow for greater control over system resources, and might be why developers are praising PS5 design?
silent head
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sircaw
Banned
One scratched me across the face when i was a child, my crime, patting it on the head, granted i was holding a baseball at the time.
Sorry, DOG LOVER HERE.
Dogs = Mans best friend.
Cat = Tiger
Tiger= man-killer.
Only cats i like are Cougars, older pussies lol .... not ancient ffs, before you start with your dirty memes Mastercornholio.
Hope that clears that all up, fleabag.
xacto
Member
One scratched me across the face when i was a child, my crime, patting it on the head, granted i was holding a baseball at the time.
Sorry, DOG LOVER HERE.
Dogs = Mans best friend.
Cat = Tiger
Tiger= man-killer.
Only cats i like are Cougars, older pussies lol .... not ancient ffs, before you start with your dirty memes Mastercornholio.
Hope that clears that all up, fleabag.
It's ok, don't be apologetic, a lot of us older coots like cougars.
sircaw
Banned
There is even a Garfield in this thread now, we all know why he is so Fat, the bones of the innocent litter his yard.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Because now it would indeed make sense. And if we were playing a game, and my build was gamepass, then that would be the way to buff it.
It’s important to note that WB is the one selling.
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xacto
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Yes, the bones of so-called "men" who were killed by a fluffy cat... it's ok, shhh, don't be afraid...
sircaw
Banned
Yes, the bones of so-called "men" who were killed by a fluffy cat... it's ok, shhh, don't be afraid...
Demon eyes. Its like Satan himself has been reborn.
sircaw
Banned
For some reason i am still suspecting it to be a Bald Eagle, since we are in America now and i believe that's the national bird of their country.
But i am not betting on it.
SSfox
Member
Tbh me and a friend were speculating this since Cerny talk. Like using flying and even swimming/underwater mounts is technically possible now because of the ps5 ssd tech. And I think this is just stretching the surface, GG probably already have much more mindblow stuffs in the game to show that nobody had though about.
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SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Rushing to the defence of an absurd claim is tantamount to making it yourself.
As for "untapped" potential of the XSX that Microsoft could get, they've already responded to the idea of it. They weren't interested in artificially increasing the on paper performance of the XSX.
First game is in america also in Colorado
sircaw
Banned
Good point,i keep thinking we were in Europe for some reason,
Anyways, still believe in the power of that eagle, since we will probably be able to fly this time round.
DrDamn
Member
This is too tricky an ask I think. Not every game is going to have what you might call "next gen gameplay" and those that do are not always easily demonstrable in this sort of event where each game will have only a couple of minutes except for the bigger guns. So yeah, I agree with the Do but not the Dont Do. The Dont Do is inevitable.
Agree - they have to show some stuff which is obviously real-time, player controlled and on par with that UE5, validate and back-up the numbers.
Disagree for a number of reasons. It shows diversity and support for the small game makers. GamePass needs smaller Indie titles to compliment the bigger hits. Indie titles are part of what MS stand for and want on their systems and so it should be part of the presentation. Sony captured a lot of that early generation and gave front and centre attention to titles in their big presentations. They lost their way with that in recent years but for me it's a plus point the position Shu has taken and the visibility of these sort of titles in their showing last month. Oh and for example ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untitled_Goose_Game#Awards
Agree here, show as much real-time as possible. All the bluster from both sides about how easy it is to develop for their systems, prove it.
It's one of their strap-lines currently so it will be there in force, it needs to be demonstrably backed up though - and that's going to be tricky to do.
I'd say more play to your strengths, be distinctive, demonstrate how you are offering something different.
Amen. I really liked the PS format. So little talk. Let the games do the talking.
MasterCornholio
Member
You can't just flip a switch to enable something like that. You have to design a system around it. Microsoft could do it if they had the same type of hardware that Sony has. Not saying that what Sony did is the best thing to do but it certainly wasn't faked.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
It could be some of those collaborative projects between the two hardware companies, AMD and Sony, they came up with that, which makes it exclusive for PS5 this gen, at least.
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Neo Blaster
Member
Announcement of the announcement? That's odd, I can understand announce an event date, but price and release date?
Neo Blaster
Member
I prefer they remain multiplatform than MT infested, at the least with the former I can still play the game if I don't have a specific platform.
Thirty7ven
Banned
EA would be the best fit for WB.
Neo Blaster
Member
That wheezing from MSX tape recorder will never leave my mind...
Rudius
Member
Megaton to me means VR.
Perhaps it's too soon for that, but have you heard anything regarding PSVR 2?
D
Deleted member 775630
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I think he already responded to someone else saying he doesn't do VR, so it probably isn't VR related.
saintjules
Member
Not sure if posted already. Leaked Watch Dogs Legion screenshots
ToadMan
Member
And finally in answering you've pointed out I was correct.
As you rightly say, MS could have got more out of their system and chose not to (although they only talked about variable clocks - not smartshift). Exactly what I said in my first point posted.
Sony did chose to get the power.
QED thanks for your time.
Games Dean
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Thirty7ven
Banned
I don't understand why EA is so different from MS, but maybe you guys can explain to me.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
I demand you take that back good sir!
pawel86ck
Banned
I wish MS would also use variable boost clock in XSX. Developers would be still able to optimize for default 1.8 GHz profile and everything above that would be a bonus (higher dynamic resolution, or 3-5 fps more). XSX GPU would be 14.6 TF with 2.2 GHz clock.
What's interesting MS also dont want any variables in their I/O speed. MS engineer has said their goal was to build I/O with a sustained 2.4 GB/s transfer, but XSX SSD must be faster than that if it's able to deliver 2.4 GB/s at minimum.
What's interesting MS also dont want any variables in their I/O speed. MS engineer has said their goal was to build I/O with a sustained 2.4 GB/s transfer, but XSX SSD must be faster than that if it's able to deliver 2.4 GB/s at minimum.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Going by their config it looks like they are relying on the cooling to maintain 2.4GB/s rather than relying on higher speed and more expensive flash? The SSD is encased in a heat sink and then this contacts that huge central heat sink 'spine' and then the system fan further pulls air through the entire system.
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