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[Imtjnotu]

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[Bladed Thesis]

BGs is still here so....

Don't get banned. It's easier to ignore and take the highroad.

This tit-for-tat with industry veterans, BGs or VFX, is not good for the site. Those who were wrong, know they were wrong and those who watched and read now know what they were watching and reading was wrong. To bring it up every time they post is doing a disservice to those veterans (who are not perfect) or to the rest of the forum.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

He was quite convinced the PS5 was considerably more powerful then it turned out to be.

Still to this day from speaking to him privately I do not believe he intentionally set out to deceive people I think he had bad info from his source and after some recent events with some devs I believe that more then ever today.

Yeah, I personally believe he didn't do it intentionally. Seemed like a good person. He can come back although many would rather harass him with that. I won't do that and many others as well.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

Yeah, I personally believe he didn't do it intentionally. Seemed like a good person. He can come back although many would rather harass him with that ok, I won't do that and many others as well.

I mean, to be fair, the people that questioned him were harassed and banned from the site although they've now turned out correct (not in harassing, in questioning).

This seems to get forgotten. No apologies were made, nobody said "oops, my bad" when a big portion of this thread drove people out for questioning the insiders.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Its fucking hilarious what @eastwood333 and @Xplainin are trying to do here

Feels like "infamous discord" mission #8746

Makes me think, were their bans lifted just for them to wreak havoc here and force everyone to go to PS5/XSX specific threads faster?

I feel like we're back 800 pages before.

 

[sircaw]

Don't get banned. It's easier to ignore and take the highroad.

This tit-for-tat with industry veterans, BGs or VFX, is not good for the site. Those who were wrong, know they were wrong and those who watched and read know what they were watching and reading was wrong. To bring it up every time they post is doing a disservice to those veterans (who are not perfect) or to the rest of the forum.

I am also a Veteran, just not industry or army, just old ffs.

Fs, its got to count for something.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I mean, to be fair, the people that questioned him were harassed and banned from the site although they've now turned out correct (not in harassing, in questioning).

This seems to get forgotten. No apologies were made, nobody said "oops, my bad" when a big portion of this thread drove people out for questioning the insiders.

Personally, I won't sacrifice my work just for some fame in a forum. Actually, BG's nearly lost his if you've been watching the thread closely as he spilled the right numbers somewhere. He's not an insider, he's a dev, first hand experience.

Anyway, I would rather have them give us more about the games and how they feel about them, and things that don't disturb their NDA. It's just not worth it.

Numbers like 13.8TF could easily be early prototypes with Radeon VII for example, and numbers like 11.6 could be collective overall TF of the GPU/CPU/Tempest/i/o and I've shown them reaching around 12.6TF.

Anyway, that story is now behind us, and I can't see them being aggressive to be harassed that why. That matrix guy is actually not worth mentioning with him outrageously downplaying consoles, the opposite of other insiders/devs.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Don't get banned. It's easier to ignore and take the highroad.

This tit-for-tat with industry veterans, BGs or VFX, is not good for the site. Those who were wrong, know they were wrong and those who watched and read now know what they were watching and reading was wrong. To bring it up every time they post is doing a disservice to those veterans (who are not perfect) or to the rest of the forum.

I only have issues with the ones that won't admit their mistakes or act like they can never be wrong.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

Personally, I won't sacrifice my work just for some fame in a forum. Actually, BG's nearly lost his if you've been watching the thread closely as he spilled the right numbers somewhere. He's not an insider, he's a dev, first hand experience.

Anyway, I would rather have them give us more about the games and how they feel about them, and things that don't disturb their NDA. It's just not worth it.

Numbers like 13.8TF could easily be early prototypes with Radeon VII for example, and numbers like 11.6 could be collective overall TF of the GPU/CPU/Tempest/i/o and I've shown them reaching around 12.6TF.

Anyway, that story is now behind us, and I can't see them being aggressive to be harassed that why. That matrix guy is actually not worth mentioning with him outrageously downplaying consoles, the opposite of other insiders/devs.

I agree 100%

I am nobody vetted and have shared nothing here but I am somebody who worked closely with the industry first on the retail side then on the development side for almost 8 years now. I would never put my head out on anything I've heard on these nexy gen systems or games coming. It's just not worth it. And I have no interest in people asking me questions publically or in PMs or being harassed. Better to just keep to yourself and watch as things unfold.

We've got a great 5-7 years of gaming ahead regardless of your favorite plastic box. End of story. Everybody be happy.

 

[Neo Blaster]

You could of linked the woman with the three boobs, just saying.

Nah, he would have to use her for number 3 related subjects.

 

[devilNprada]

There were other users that were just trolling though like that @tflopsmatters person. He basically tried to set everyone's expectations sky high (cause he had a strong feeling that the final numbers would be lower) and then proceeded to trash the systems once the numbers were given.

No, he was fanatical and a bit crazy... (see his post on Aliens) he had huge expectations and was really disapointed... He wasn't intentionally misleading people.

Edit: Had some eccentric beliefs I am sorry

 

[FranXico]

If MS used SmartShift it could run at faster speeds than it currently does. That's how it works. Why would you not want it?

heat and cooling, potential overheating issues, there are lots of reasons

 

[3liteDragon]

 

[Codexer]

 

[FranXico]

Would have preferred the box itself in white as well, but ok.

 

[IkarugaDE]

So the single difference is the PS5-logo and the white background.

Edit:

 

[Crazychipmunx]

Would have preferred the box itself in white as well, but ok.

Think nintendo has the white box market covered

 

[Bladed Thesis]

I only have issues with the ones that won't admit their mistakes or act like they can never be wrong.

Okay but what would harassing BGs to admit his mistakes solve?

Nothing. So drop it. That's my point. Be annoyed, have issues, but people should drop it.

 

[chigstoke]

It's getting boring with all the empty talk, they should show something worth of those statements by 23th.

You might be waiting a while then, the 23th doesn’t exist

 

[lepermessiah]

I Am AuThoRiTY, VaRiAbLe AuThoRity, WaTCh MuH AuThoriTy TruMp the God damn SysTem ArchiTect, I can SusTain PeAk FuD who CarEs aBout LoweriNg Frequency At MenU ScreEns Or eNd CrediTs! AuThoriTy I Am.

 

[Crimson_Fate]

Okay but what would harassing BGs to admit his mistakes solve?

Nothing. So drop it. That's my point. Be annoyed, have issues, but people should drop it.

I see no problem with them questioning everything he says after what happened. It could be just an honest mistake but he needs to build that trust back up not them.

I admit that these guys are going above and beyond normal questioning but if he doesn't like it he can just use the ignore button and move on.

 

[Well_Of_Souls]

PS5 box art revealed: here's how next-gen PlayStation games will look on your shelf

Starting with the box art for Spider-Man: Miles Morales

www.gamesradar.com

 

[Evilms]

dualsense

dualshock 4

 

[sircaw]

Nah, he would have to use her for number 3 related subjects.

If people are not going to help me with the three boobs image, i will help myself.

 

[saintjules]

 

[ksdixon]

What does GAF think of this? Cause to get excited for PS1,2,3,4 BC on PS5?
Personally, I would love to let myself get excited, but I can't afford the let down. Better to think it isn't/can't happen, and recieve a positive surprise, hopefully.

If it were to happen, I want the ability to download games to SSD through PSNow, like GamePass. Trying to stream games on PSNow, depending on the game, can be completely lag-filled and unplayable.

 

[ksdixon]

Boooo. no back triggers, it looks like from that picture. What exactly was the point in releasing a back button attachment so late in PS4's lifespan, if not to include them in PS5 controller, especially seeing how the b.b.a. is apparently widely loved and souled-out?

 

[T-Cake]

Boooo. no back triggers, it looks like from that picture. What exactly was the point in releasing a back button attachment so late in PS4's lifespan, if not to include them in PS5 controller, especially seeing how the b.b.a. is apparently widely loved and souled-out?

Then again, I've read on other forums that after people have used them for a couple of weeks, they've taken them off as they got in the way.

 

[Metroiddarks]

So the single difference is the PS5-logo and the white background.

Edit:

I know this kind of decision is more than just say 'I want this design' as they need to be sure all kind of users recognize
this a videogame for PS5 while preserve an identity but this design is just so meh for me like the XSX design.

 

[pasterpl]

Smartshift solves those problems - it doesn't create them...

from reviews of one of the first smartshift laptops (dell g5 15 se);

SmartShift gives those extra watts to the GPU so that it can work harder and generate more heat to be dissipated by the PC's cooling system.

The Dell G5 15 SE is the first SmartShift laptop on the market, and delivers strong performance for the money. But it runs hot...

I know that this single laptop shouldn’t be an indication of how good smartshift is, but it is interesting to see it in the real world device

 

[3liteDragon]

I have been surprised with how much RT has been being shown as well so far. To be honest, when I saw the Minecraft demo for XSX I figured 'that's it, we won't be seeing RT hardly at all this generation,' because of the massive performance hit it showed and that hit was hardly a surprise as RT is DEMANDING. But...from what I've read so far, it seems like devs can get some good bang for the buck from RT while taking only about a 10% performance hit. Which appears to be what we're seeing right now. I'm happy with that as it still seems to be letting them hit 4k at at least 30fps. So, ok....and for games where 60fps is needed, take the RT off- fine with me!

I'm just pleasantly surprised that it seems we'll see a lot more of RT in games than I had expected. Again, as long as they don't make games start chugging thru sections of levels, I'm all for it. Can't wait to see more demos and games from both XSX and PS5 so we can see more of what we can expect!

Yeah, investing into CBR development surely pays off now more than anyone could've imagine, I just hope it becomes a standard technique, rather than for example cutting out objects from reflections like R&C does. GT7 not only looks better because of that but, also runs at 60FPS, it's a win-win solution.

See I think both next-gen consoles are powerful enough to do ray-tracing at NATIVE 4K@60FPS. (I was shocked when I saw ray-traced reflections on Clank while the game was running at native 4K on the PS5. I initially had way lower expectations when it came to ray-tracing for next-gen, but that R&C trailer changed everything for me) The reason I think we’re seeing games run at 30FPS when RT is enabled, is because I don’t think most devs’ game engines are ready for next-gen just yet. You still have devs figuring out the hardware while also building tools for their engines for next-gen. I think in 2-3 years, when game engines evolve and are fully next-gen ready, we’ll start seeing games with ray-traced effects running at 4K@60FPS.

 

[Andodalf]

All the posts about there being no epic/ Sony marketing deal look about as silly as the 13 TF talk now. Sure was a lot of FUD in this thread!

 

[pasterpl]

Sony invests $250 million in Epic Games

https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/09/sony-invests-250-million-in-fortnite-maker-epic-games/ Sony has invested $250 million for a minority stake in Fortnite maker Epic Games, the companies announced today. With the new money, Epic Games has raised $1.83 billion to date. The companies said the...

www.neogaf.com

Probably good to share it here, it is kind of relevant. Wondering what MS have to say about this?

 

[pasterpl]

tower of power ... dear god, do they have teenagers coming up with these?

 

[Dave_at_Home]

I have said numerous times that the difference in power isn't really going to be obvious in the image on the screen, but we are talking about subtle differences in the architecture, and from my point of view, it's interesting to see the difference in approach and how that will effect one console against the other.
Basically nitpicking.

It all seems pretty simple to me. Both companies come to the same conclusion, but different ways of doing it. Why? With Microsoft, you get a more traditional approach, they don't really care if you're gaming on Series X, Lockheart, or PC, they just want you in the Microsoft ecosystem. Sony on the other hand, especially when it comes to their hardware, built the PS5 not just for next-gen gaming, but for their future PSVR2 headset. There's still some things we don't know about the PS5 hardware (some ways Series X too), but Sony is keeping it close to their chest, because, if I were a betting man, I'd say it has a lot to do with maximizing VR potential. Overall, Microsoft is powerful and traditional approach, while Sony, also powerful, but more bespoke for VR.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

tower of power ... dear god, do they have teenagers coming up with these?

It was a pretty cringe post imo

 

[SleepDoctor]

Sony invests $250 million in Epic Games

https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/09/sony-invests-250-million-in-fortnite-maker-epic-games/ Sony has invested $250 million for a minority stake in Fortnite maker Epic Games, the companies announced today. With the new money, Epic Games has raised $1.83 billion to date. The companies said the...

www.neogaf.com

Probably good to share it here, it is kind of relevant. Wondering what MS have to say about this?

Wait wait.... so Tim Sweeney is a Sony "shill"???? Am i doing it right?

Thats been obvious forever. But remember the consensus here is only ms pays for shills, reviews, articles , and etc. Everything is done for Sony for free cuz its out of love.

 

[3liteDragon]

Ouch. So indie games won't be taxing enough, but AAA games will be too demanding most of the time for the PS5 to run both GPU and CPU at full speed?

I remember reading Brad Sams talking about this exact thing and he said most devs will chose to push the gpu at full speed and that the CPU side would suffer

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

Just for you



Look at the FPS at the start of the test, mid point and towards the end.

"Start: circa 75 fps Mid: circa 71fps End: circa 60 fps"

Good day sir

dropped

Oh dear... maybe our friend should change his username to satan's flatulence given the amount of hot air that comes out and causes a stink....

 

[Wraith Phantom]

Sony invests $250 million in Epic Games

https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/09/sony-invests-250-million-in-fortnite-maker-epic-games/ Sony has invested $250 million for a minority stake in Fortnite maker Epic Games, the companies announced today. With the new money, Epic Games has raised $1.83 billion to date. The companies said the...

www.neogaf.com

Probably good to share it here, it is kind of relevant. Wondering what MS have to say about this?

That is BIG BOY boardroom shit right here. That is a different battle behind the scenes. Tencent are no joke. Its going to be behind the scene shit we wont see for a while. Again what has this got to with MS?? They are not tied to Sony. MS are buying WB studios remember. Gaming has been a key business for Sony a very long time, very long time. Before MS was on the scene. Whats next MS builds camera's rivalling Sonys. Stop tying them together.

 

[Dave_at_Home]

Nah. Let's be real here.
For whatever reason Sony ended up with a 36 CU GPU. Be that because of back compat or they were looking at launching in 2019.
Because of this they found themselves with a console that was behind the XSX in power levels, and so we're only left with increasing clocks to close the power gap. That led to other issues they needed to solve such as thermal and power.

Nobody in their right mind thinks that Sony went in to this gen with the goal of using variable clocks from the outset.

I think Sony have done a good job to get to where they have.

I don't know about this, dude. Consoles take years to develop, and the idea that Sony in response to Series X just decided to ramp up the clocks and do a redesign of the entire cooling system is an enormous stretch. Also, AMD's SmartShift, has already been proven to increase performance. People are missing out on two important things here. First off, the potential on actual game design due to the PS5's SSD and I/O performance is much greater than a higher CU count. Secondly, it's probably a lot to do with VR on why Sony went with their choice of hardware.

 

[ksdixon]

Sony invests $250 million in Epic Games

https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/09/sony-invests-250-million-in-fortnite-maker-epic-games/ Sony has invested $250 million for a minority stake in Fortnite maker Epic Games, the companies announced today. With the new money, Epic Games has raised $1.83 billion to date. The companies said the...

www.neogaf.com

Probably good to share it here, it is kind of relevant. Wondering what MS have to say about this?

How is this relevant towards PS customers? Genuine question, I don't understand the significance. Is this to do with the UE5 engine, or in-game deals like HZD outfits for Fortnight etc.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Okay but what would harassing BGs to admit his mistakes solve?

Nothing. So drop it. That's my point. Be annoyed, have issues, but people should drop it.

I don't remember BGs saying that he was never wrong or that he's infallible. I personally don't have any issues with him or the Lord of the Pigeons @o'dium.

 

[Crazychipmunx]

 

[MasterCornholio]

dualsense

dualshock 4

Now I'm dying to see a clear Dual Sense.

 

[Wraith Phantom]

How is this relevant towards PS customers? Genuine question, I don't understand the significance. Is this to do with the UE5 engine, or in-game deals like HZD outfits for Fortnight etc.

This has nothing to do with PS fans. This is boardroom big boy stuff. You know corporate shit where they invest in multiple companies to make back money from company X's products. Corporation's also invest in companies to gut parts they want or buy them outright. Not really much in it for PS fans. Do people even know Tencent are 40% share holders in Epic.

What will be interesting to see is Sweeney's tweet replies. Going to be a good read.

 

[Metroiddarks]

All the posts about there being no epic/ Sony marketing deal look about as silly as the 13 TF talk now. Sure was a lot of FUD in this thread!

Everything is a console war for you, right?

 

[ToadMan]

I know that this single laptop shouldn’t be an indication of how good smartshift is

Exactly right - unless you’re proposing to sit with your Xsex and/or PS5 on your “lap” when you’re using them.

 

[jose4gg]

I seriously waiting for the the console releases, when we see the actual open-source code of the Epic Demo and all this FUD against Epic can rest in peace for the rest of the generation...

 

[Knitted Knight]

It always comes down to the games in the end.

If you're a betting man, you know where to bet.