TheContact
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Same console. Give it some time.
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Same hardware. Same developer. 6 years difference.
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XSX is 'under-powered'.
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Same hardware. Same developer. 6 years difference.
Slings and Arrows
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Yes they should. 1080p 60fps with a lush, vibrant, full world should be the minimum. 4k60fps is great, unless you have to sacrifice that many resources that you end up with a blank, bland empty world, like the Halo demo.
eyesabitdull
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Lmao at the drive by insults to the OP.
Come on guys, he's making a good point.
I understand where those argue that the games should look better after their stupid "no exclusives for the first two years" mentality, but they shat the bed a little with this conference that doesn't show us the true power of XSEX.
And FFS:
Why are you asking OP to watch these two trailers without gameplay?
HALO INFINITE initial reveal trailer made the game looked really amazing graphically, but it's gameplay reveal showed the opposite.
The same is applicable to any game released without actual gameplay shown, so what a terrible point to make.
Come on guys, he's making a good point.
I understand where those argue that the games should look better after their stupid "no exclusives for the first two years" mentality, but they shat the bed a little with this conference that doesn't show us the true power of XSEX.
And FFS:
Sees Hellblade 2 and Forza...comes back to thread.
Why are you asking OP to watch these two trailers without gameplay?
HALO INFINITE initial reveal trailer made the game looked really amazing graphically, but it's gameplay reveal showed the opposite.
The same is applicable to any game released without actual gameplay shown, so what a terrible point to make.
Stuart360
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Didnt you just say you're a long time Xbox fan in the OP?. I guess it didnt take much to get you to drop the sharade.
JLMC469
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TheMan
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I think the wow moments will come. Technological diminishing returns are at the point where jaded gamers (myself included) can no longer easily be wowed by sizzle reels. You need to sit with a controller in your hand and explore the game world to be able to notice fine details or other less obvious graphical effects to understand how the power is being used.
Also, as per usual things will improve with time.
Also, as per usual things will improve with time.
Slings and Arrows
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Re-read it. I'm a Microsoft fan that wants Microsoft to make the right decisions, but i end up arguing more with other 'Xbox' fans who tell me i'm talking shit, yet historically, i've been proven right, time and time again.
Kind of like blacks and the old 'uncle tom' thing. I'm the uncle tom
eyesabitdull
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So, you're not a fan immediately because you disagree with the toxic mentality that comes with certain fans along with it?
Oh, okay.
I'll remind myself that I shouldn't criticize any of the abhorrent atrocities by terrorists who cower behind Islam because I was born a Muslim.
Thanks, Chief. You're truly a scholar.
DemonCleaner
Member
it's not underpowered,
it's held back by stupid management decisions.
it's held back by stupid management decisions.
Dave_at_Home
Member
Someone is going to have to correct me on this, but isn't the new Halo coming out on Xbox One as well? If so, blame the terrible Jaguar CPU cores for that "empty" feeling. Who knows, maybe you'll see more environments that don't seem as bland to you? I dunno. This will look so much better once ray-tracing is applied, and it will still run as smooth as butter.
Slings and Arrows
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We could, but then there's the X, where games look better than what has been shown here.
Also, i blame Spencer, Greenberg and Booty for thinking this was in anyway shape or form, a good idea.
Moore signed a $1 Billion cheque to upgrade the RAM in the 360 from 256 to 512 because of the difference he saw in Gears 1. These fucking clowns won't even move to a next gen properly.
Manstructiclops
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This xbox machine is the best silicon we can get right now for an affordable price.
It looks exactly what a 12tf part is capable of putting out. People wanted native 4k and 60hz. If these games were targeting 1080/1440p and 30hz you'll be seeing that huge leap in graphics.
I'd be more worried about PS5, I have a feeling third parties on their console won't be hitting 4k regularly.
Stuart360
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At the end of the day, a 2080ti can struggle for 60fps at 4k on some current gen games. People still dont seem to realize just how demanding 4k is.
Halo to me looked really good, even to the extent that i was watching the demo on stream, off of Gaf, and i was convinced that people were going to be raving about it on here (well apart from the obvious ones), how wrong i was lol.
Halo to me looked really good, even to the extent that i was watching the demo on stream, off of Gaf, and i was convinced that people were going to be raving about it on here (well apart from the obvious ones), how wrong i was lol.
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Aion002
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Don't worry.
As soon as the SX starts having shitty sales they will drop the One (again
) and will start making games exclusively for the SX.... But it will take some time... So Xbox fans will be waiting on empty promisses made by Phil and 1 dollar deals on game pass.... Unless is too late and the games are moved again to other gen and the cycle will repeat... again.But for Xbox fans is always a big:
Slings and Arrows
Banned
Maybe.
I used to hate Sony (PS2 and PS3) i thought they were dog shit consoles. I have to hand it to Cerny though for what he managed to accomplish with the PS4 on almost 0 budget (if we believe the gaming press circa 2012).
I'm wondering if the XSX is the classic American Muscle car with a huge 5l V8 engine, that's got grunt, VS the PS5 as a Japanese 3L super-charged bi-turbo.
nemiroff
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As primarily a PC gamer I chuckle over seeing the abundance of concern in the forum lately. Not for any PC related reason, but because I'm kinda watching at a distance and think both the XSX and PS5 are very much capable hardware that will for sure bring plenty of good experiences. I have no idea why some people are worried about boxes that seems to iterate things quite well.
Some cringe is good content though. Lol.
Some cringe is good content though. Lol.
Dave_at_Home
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Holy shit, I just looked at your member Picture and laughed.
Anyway, they didn't make the exclusive jump to next-gen because they'd be leaving far too much money on the table. Low barrier to entry means Xbox One players are not left in the dust as well as low spec PC gamers (if it's coming out same day on PC?). Keep in mind, we're in recession fulled by a pandemic. Many people simply won't be able to upgrade to the Series X just yet. To have this game available to such a large audience is a benefit for Microsoft and whomever wants to play it.
Anyway, they didn't make the exclusive jump to next-gen because they'd be leaving far too much money on the table. Low barrier to entry means Xbox One players are not left in the dust as well as low spec PC gamers (if it's coming out same day on PC?). Keep in mind, we're in recession fulled by a pandemic. Many people simply won't be able to upgrade to the Series X just yet. To have this game available to such a large audience is a benefit for Microsoft and whomever wants to play it.
Slings and Arrows
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The correlation is that the underwhelming game part has happened for 10 years. Even though Microsoft have gone through (soon to be) 3 generations, 4 different consoles (the X is not a One), Gamepass, Kinect, Matrick - Spencer...
Opinion on a gaming forum is cringe? Okay.gif
Honestly, fuck people who can't afford to upgrade. Gaming isn't their primary hobby and i, as hobbiest/enthusiast/core gamer, shouldn't be held back because snot-nosed little timmy can't save up the money over 7 years to buy a new console.
VisualFidelity
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The PS4 launched with underwhelming title such as knack, call of duty ghosts 2, angry birds Star wars. It's ending the console generation with last of us 2, ghost of tsushima, modern warfare.
Consoles need time and launch titles are rarely an indication of potential. I agree xsx has been underwhelming and I no longer have a reason to get one, but to call it underpowered doesn't make sense if you have looked at the specs.
Consoles need time and launch titles are rarely an indication of potential. I agree xsx has been underwhelming and I no longer have a reason to get one, but to call it underpowered doesn't make sense if you have looked at the specs.
jakinov
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Firstly Halo is an Xbox One game getting optimized for Xbox Series X too. They are putting in extra work for it versus just mastering it at a higher resolution and making adjustments but It‘s ultimately a game started 5 years ago primarily for the Xbox One. Not a game downgraded to also work on Xbox one. Gears definitive edition was more than a remaster but it’s not nearly as good looking as the actual games designed for next-gen first with all the advancements in technical game design.
The game looks pretty good in terms of picture quality. People are taking the games worse parts and comparing it to other games best parts. People think of how the Last of Us 2 looks in the cinematic opposed to how it looks when you actually play the game. There’s a pretty big downgrade when you play the actual game.
Also, they acquired most of their studios two years ago. You aren’t going to see a whole lot from them in a couple of years, especially as a lot of them only grew after being acquired and even released game’s shortly before or after being acquired. So people shouldn’t have expected a whole lot from them in only two years.
Unless you were expecting vertical slice tech demos you shouldn’t have expected much to blow you away. At least from Microsoft at this point. Maybe from third party but Microsoft focused the event on first party or companies they have deals with.
The game looks pretty good in terms of picture quality. People are taking the games worse parts and comparing it to other games best parts. People think of how the Last of Us 2 looks in the cinematic opposed to how it looks when you actually play the game. There’s a pretty big downgrade when you play the actual game.
Also, they acquired most of their studios two years ago. You aren’t going to see a whole lot from them in a couple of years, especially as a lot of them only grew after being acquired and even released game’s shortly before or after being acquired. So people shouldn’t have expected a whole lot from them in only two years.
Unless you were expecting vertical slice tech demos you shouldn’t have expected much to blow you away. At least from Microsoft at this point. Maybe from third party but Microsoft focused the event on first party or companies they have deals with.
Knitted Knight
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Phil and company talked out of their ass again. I even saw a Phil tribute song making the rounds on twitter before this event showed up. This thing has become a cult. Got nothing to do with games.
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Vawn
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It's definitely not underpowered, but it looks to be under utilized.
We are at a point where graphics and performance are less dictated by the hardware it's running on and more on how much time and money went into the design of software. 95% of the games for next-gen won't even come close to maximizing the strength of the consoles, because it's just too expensive and time consuming to do so.
Xbox's focus is on games for GamePass. That's great for many, but it also makes it more difficult to put out many 100 million dollar or more AAA games, when they won't be selling many copies for $60-$70.
You also need to remember for the first couple years Xbox games will be made to run on Xbox One and Series X (and likely Series S too). Games specifically made for Series X will be easier to utilize the hardware to a greater potential.
We are at a point where graphics and performance are less dictated by the hardware it's running on and more on how much time and money went into the design of software. 95% of the games for next-gen won't even come close to maximizing the strength of the consoles, because it's just too expensive and time consuming to do so.
Xbox's focus is on games for GamePass. That's great for many, but it also makes it more difficult to put out many 100 million dollar or more AAA games, when they won't be selling many copies for $60-$70.
You also need to remember for the first couple years Xbox games will be made to run on Xbox One and Series X (and likely Series S too). Games specifically made for Series X will be easier to utilize the hardware to a greater potential.
Dave_at_Home
Member
Okay, that got me. Ya' know, I don't agree with you, but I feel as if I get you. On some level, I respect the brutal honesty. I guess I should just state that I'm more looking forward to the PS5 at this point. Their game lineup, 3D audio, adaptive triggers and haptic feedback in their new controller are just too good to ignore. Not to mention, you know they're gonna drop the PSVR2 bomb. With that said, I'm still looking forward to Series X future, so we'll see how this pans out.
Manstructiclops
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Yep.
That's why you'll be seeing more variable framerates and resolutions.
PS5 is gonna struggle with third parties. My vega is a 10tf part with blazing fast HBM and it just about handles 4k30. Now I'm personally fine with 30hz on a controller. But I know a LOT of people arent.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Screw MS' cross gen policy. If Sony did it, I would say screw them too.
Stuart360
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Microsofts show showed better graphics than Sony's show though. Lets not pretend Sony's show wasnt very underwhelming, from a 'next gen showcase' standpoint.
Slings and Arrows
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I cannot wait for psvr2 tbh. I did get a little laugh out of the TETRIS effect announcement. I'll play the shit out of it but psvr TETRIS effect is meant to be the bomb.
Which is another gripe at Microsoft; most 'powerful' console, no VR. In this day and age!
ToadMan
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Based on what was shown today I don’t think invoking the “power of rdna 2” is really a good idea ....
Hawking Radiation
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Slings and Arrows
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I mean... Ratchet looked incredible, you can't deny that. I don't think Microsoft, for all their power of the xsx, showed anything better than ratchet
Slings and Arrows
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It's from a cross gen game. It has 360 graphics, Virtua racing trees, Xbox one character models and plastic guns from Mattel. True cross gen.LOL OP your avatar is hilarious.
What is that from a game?
It's Halo Infinite
GreyHand23
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Mictosoft showed better CGI you mean. Also their games look considerably farther from release than anything Sony showed.
Slings and Arrows
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From which side
Snake29
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Sees Hellblade 2 and Forza...comes back to thread
I'm curious, what have we seen from Hellblade 2?
Stuart360
Member
The graphics overall from the games were a better example of next gen graphics than Sony's show. Thats just how it is. Everything at Sony's show looked like current gen games, except Horizons cutscenes, and Ratchet with the time warping thing.
Stop living up to your tag.
TheAmazingSpiderMan
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The 12TF of power you speak of is a theoretical peak of the hardware, it doesn’t mean it will run at 12TFs for every game, this is MS’s marketing as you can see, they screamed “powerrrr” for ages and people believed it, stuff like “XGonGivItToYa” nonsense like this. finally when the time came to deliver, it was a disaster.
not looking to troll but Nothing I saw screamed next-gen, FPS looked solid on some games but even the some current gen games looked much better.
Jtibh
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Ever since the show all i donis watching the reactions on youtube and feast of their meltdown hahaha.
Man this was just pure garbage.
Didnt philly boy say the july show will show the evolution of microsoft or some shit like that?
Ps5 it is. Gamepass for pc it is.
Xsx is obsolete at this point. Power means jack shit when you open the show with a 360 gameplay.
I felt embarrassed watching this.
Man this was just pure garbage.
Didnt philly boy say the july show will show the evolution of microsoft or some shit like that?
Ps5 it is. Gamepass for pc it is.
Xsx is obsolete at this point. Power means jack shit when you open the show with a 360 gameplay.
I felt embarrassed watching this.
Dave_at_Home
Member
Your madness needs to stop.
MarkMe2525
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I don't think you helped your case here.
Slings and Arrows
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Come on, that was a playful bit of fun and a funny comparison if not a little overly dramatic. We can laugh at things and not be serious, we are human.
Oh no
Dave_at_Home
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I'm just joking too, dude. I don't think I've ever laughed so hard at a NeoGaf posts. These takedowns are outrageous.
Slings and Arrows
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