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[megreotsugua]

Hm, so, at first XSS sounds like a pretty good deal. But then I remember that it is digital only. Its a bad combo having a digital only console with low amounts of storage and proprietary-only storage upgrades. Seems more like a scam to me to sell it that cheap.

IMO it would be wise for Sony to position the standard edition against XsS. $399 blu-ray edition instead of the digital edition.

For sure, xss will sell better between the two xbox and it will go toe to toe with the cheaper playstation. The narrative that disc works on playstation 5 and that you can share games as usual will be a good word of mouth in favor of PS5.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

IMO it would be wise for Sony to position the standard edition against XsS. $399 blu-ray edition instead of the digital edition.

 

[SportsFan581]

Hope for XSS owners sake MS creates a system where assets can be tagged to not need to be downloaded for the XSS version.

Hell would be nice even for XSX owners who don't want to render at 4k to be able to do that.

PS5 too of course.

They definitely need to come up with some "Smart" way to do that.

 

[kyliethicc]

Don’t you think it’s odd that Sony is handling pre orders first for PS5? That they had to announce around a month ago that they was upping production? But sure we go with it’s all just me spreading a rumor..why not it’s 2020 you know! /S

Wow you're not thinking. Sony would want the PS5 preorders to be sold directly from their website because then they get all the revenue. Sony are going direct in selling hardware, software, accessories. This is a way to maximize profits and cut out third party (retail.) Its good business.

They are selecting who can pre-order first based on PSN account and locking everyone to 1 per household to counter-act scalpers. They also likely want to hand pick their biggest PSN spenders to get first dibs. Again, smart business.

They are also likely launching in US first in November then December for rest of world. This allows Sony to drive US pre-orders to them to max profits and control the supply flow as they want. Smart.

I haven't seen any rumors of shortages from reputable sites. I have seen Bloomberg saying Sony is planning on selling 10 million PS5s by end of March. Thats 2.5 million MORE than PS4 sold. Not even close to short supply.

Also, Sony never announced anything about production. Thats from the article I'm linking to. Its rumored that the opposite of what you're saying is true. No shortage, in fact they're predicting PS5 will be outselling the PS4 in the same timespan.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Use sources or I'll keep saying you're full of shit.

 

[IntentionalPun]

They definitely need to come up with some "Smart" way to do that.

Unless devs are actually marking up their assets for XSS specifically it's not gonna magically be able to work with smart delivery.

 

[SportsFan581]

Unless devs are actually marking up their assets for XSS specifically it's not gonna magically be able to work with smart delivery.

Hopefully they will continue to have asset profiles for 1080p and 4k. A lot of games on PC let you decide whether or not you want to make use of the higher quality assets.

That disk is going to fill up so fast if that is not the case here. (speaking about the XSS, I fully expect for XSX not to give you this option storage be damned. )

 

[kyliethicc]

Because the casual gamers need to play those free games on a system. Electing for the more accessible system that also comes with a Netflix-style game service would probably be the more desired option.

There are many people I know who don't game, view it as something interesting, but aren't inclined to pay hundreds of dollars upfront to give it a shot. This is something that would sway them, especially since the setup and finding games on Game Pass is so easy. These are the same people who play crappy mobile games so it'd be a massive step up. It's also not even about not being able to afford the cost, it's just not something that's so imminently valued that they feel like it warrants the (current) upfront price tag.

Game Pass definitely appeals to hardcore gamers, I use it and I like it, but I don't think it's primarily for hardcore gamers. It's trying to be an all-in-one gaming service where you only need to engage with Game Pass, which many hardcore gamers frankly won't settle with.

I just pay my Game Pass subscription for 1 month to play anything I'm interested in then don't renew, while most of my gaming comes from paying full price for the games I want on PS4/Switch/PC. I want to play those games on the best possible hardware, not stream them on any device (the future XCloud integration).

So Project XCloud and Game Pass aren't primarily targeting me, I'd think they're primarily targeting the value-focused gamer that just wants to play anything decent for a cheap price wherever they feel like. It's like comparing the typical Spotify music listener vs an enthusiast with Hi-Fi gear and FLAC music.

Most casual music listeners use free spotify or youtube, soundcloud, pandora etc. They don't pay for music.

Game Pass is never going to get the mass market of gamers to buy in unless they get the big name paid games on there day and date.

Otherwise casuals will just go for free to play games (which are actually free to play on PlayStation, not Xbox.)

Try telling your casual friend to get into gaming on Xbox.
1. Sign a 2 year contract for $25/month that you can't cancel because you have to pay off the console (debt)
2. Pay to play all free to play games
3. After 2 years if you cancel, you lose all your games and your access to online, and no free to play online anymore.
4. Oh and none of those games you've heard of - Call of Duty, FIFA, etc - none of those are included with Game Pass.
5. And yes all those awesome Nintendo and PlayStation games - none of those too

 

[SSfox]

Some thoughts, i found it interesting that some games are following the Rockstar model, aka release a brand new and super complete game, then a bit later release an online mode for this game, curious to see how this end out for the C2077 multiplayer

 

[sircaw]

Really don't know what to say in regards to the looks of the new xbox other than its bloody ugly looking.

In fact, it looks are beyond terrible, i can't believe Microsoft oked that,

 

[Dave_at_Home]

OKAY NOW. So we are all in agreement that Sony will have an event tomorrow and fully reveal everything. Correct? Good.



Your move Sony...

 

[kyliethicc]

I would guess that it would support storage of games on an external SSD and allow you to quickly swap them in and out given the speed of the drives.

Any external drive would be treated like a HDD. So they can be used to play PS4 games. Maybe cold storage for PS5. That's unknown yet on PS5.

You can waste the money to buy an external SATA SSD or external NVMe drive sure, but its a waste.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Some thoughts, i found it interesting that some games are following the Rockstar model, aka release a brand new and super complete game, then a bit later release an online mode for this game, curious to see how this end out for the C2077 multiplayer

It's not a mode for the game though.

But as far as spinning multi off as something separate.. I'm all for it personally, don't tie their release dates together, especially since MP games can easily release as F2P now.

 

[MrLove]

holy moly 2sec, this is true next gen. That will be a completely new experience for the players. Even much more as 10% more resolution.

2 sec to fill 13-14gb ram. XSX need 6-8 sec to fill 4-5gb ram. Thats huge

 

[kyliethicc]

Did you not get the memo? Series S is stronger than PS5.
There is no way to Sony fight the FUD war.

I heard a rumor that Microsoft bought Sony and the PS5 is now just an Xbox too.

(Source - me. fucking around)

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

¿So the only thing you think MS can do with 8 more TF is to increment the resolution and the framerate?

8 more TF, just to play at higher resolution and better framerate (maybe, really highly dependent on the CPU), remember the number, 8TF...

simple example:
gtx 1660ti is a capable gpu for 1080p and even some 1440p. it's 5tf
gtx 2080ti is a capable gpu for 4k. it's 13tf

1660 will play forza horizon 4 at 1080p ultra between 88-97fps
1660 will play forza horizon 4 at 1440p ultra between 67-83fps
2080 will play forza horizon 4 at 4k ultra between 62-90fps

some more examples:

gta 5 ultra
1660ti 1080p 85-95fps
1660ti 1440p 54-64fps
2080ti 4k 50-64fps

battlefield 5 ultra
1660ti 1080p 94-104fps
1660ti 1440p 67-80fps
2080ti 4k 67-86fps

etc. I did copy-paste benchmarks about three games, to make my example understandable.
but here is a comparison link so you can compare your heart out if you like.


now, if microsoft was trying to push lockhart as a ...4k machine, there would be ....problems too many to list.
but they are not. they are pushing it as a console for HALF or a QUARTER of that resolution, with same CPU and I/O to their 4k machine.

I hope this helps you.

Hope for XSS owners sake MS creates a system where assets can be tagged to not need to be downloaded for the XSS version.
Hell would be nice even for XSX owners who don't want to render at 4k to be able to do that.
PS5 too of course.

Already implemented automatically at current gen xboxes.
You download a game on xbone X, you get the 4k/high res textures
You download it on xbone S, your download does not contain them at all.

 

[IntentionalPun]

XSX need 6-8 sec to fill 4-5gb ram. Thats huge

Huh?

Kena isn't necessarily filling the entirety of RAM either.. it doesn't need to.. games only need to fill part of the RAM and can then pre-fetch "farther away" assets while the game plays.

Not sure what you are talking about with XSX; it's less than half the speed but won't ever need 6-8 seconds for 4-5GB of RAM.

 

[kyliethicc]

Only two options for them.

A: The XSS won't hold the XSX back so the PS5 won't hold the XSX back either.

B: The PS5 will hold the XSX back and the XSS will hold it even more back to due the greater power difference.

I don't know which one to choose just yet though.

If anything the Xbox's slower I/O and under-featured controller will continue to hold back multiplatform games. And the XSS lack of memory.

 

[TrippleA345]

simple example:
gtx 1660ti is a capable gpu for 1080p and even some 1440p. it's 5tf
gtx 2080ti is a capable gpu for 4k. it's 13tf

1660 will play forza horizon 4 at 1080p ultra between 88-97fps
1660 will play forza horizon 4 at 1440p ultra between 67-83fps
2080 will play forza horizon 4 at 4k ultra between 62-90fps

some more examples:

gta 5 ultra
1660ti 1080p 85-95fps
1660ti 1440p 54-64fps
2080ti 4k 50-64fps

battlefield 5 ultra
1660ti 1080p 94-104fps
1660ti 1440p 67-80fps
2080ti 4k 67-86fps

etc. I did copy-paste benchmarks about three games, to make my example understandable.
but here is a comparison link so you can compare your heart out if you like.


now, if microsoft was trying to push lockhart as a ...4k machine, there would be ....problems too many to list.
but they are not. they are pushing it as a console for HALF or a QUARTER of that resolution, with same CPU and I/O to their 4k machine.

I hope this helps you.

this is not how it works. You can not scale like this.

 

[hemo memo]

Some thoughts, i found it interesting that some games are following the Rockstar model, aka release a brand new and super complete game, then a bit later release an online mode for this game, curious to see how this end out for the C2077 multiplayer

If there is a dev to be given the benefit of the doubt it would be CDPR. I just hope that IF C2077 multiplayer becomes very successful it won’t discourage the team for continuing big single player games.

 

[JTCx]

xbox fans promoting debt.

not surprising lmfao

 

[WelshBluebird]

simple example:
gtx 1660ti is a capable gpu for 1080p and even some 1440p. it's 5tf
gtx 2080ti is a capable gpu for 4k. it's 13tf

1660 will play forza horizon 4 at 1080p ultra between 88-97fps
1660 will play forza horizon 4 at 1440p ultra between 67-83fps
2080 will play forza horizon 4 at 4k ultra between 62-90fps

some more examples:

gta 5 ultra
1660ti 1080p 85-95fps
1660ti 1440p 54-64fps
2080ti 4k 50-64fps

battlefield 5 ultra
1660ti 1080p 94-104fps
1660ti 1440p 67-80fps
2080ti 4k 67-86fps

etc. I did copy-paste benchmarks about three games, to make my example understandable.
but here is a comparison link so you can compare your heart out if you like.


now, if microsoft was trying to push lockhart as a ...4k machine, there would be ....problems too many to list.
but they are not. they are pushing it as a console for HALF or a QUARTER of that resolution, with same CPU and I/O to their 4k machine.

I hope this helps you.

But as people keep saying, that kind of sidelines the Series X to being the 4K machine and nothing else. It means that devs can't opt for higher graphical quality at say 1080p or 1440p for the Series X unless they massively cripple the Series S version in terms of resolution or frame rate or quality.

 

[MasterCornholio]

OKAY NOW. So we are all in agreement that Sony will have an event tomorrow and fully reveal everything. Correct? Good.



Your move Sony...

I wonder if we are getting more ASS?

 

[IntentionalPun]

Already implemented automatically at current gen xboxes.
You download a game on xbone X, you get the 4k/high res textures
You download it on xbone S, your download does not contain them at all.

Oh nice; didn't know that.

Really should be an option independent of the device though.. not everyone games at 4k even on the higher end hardware.

 

[danielJackson]

Wow you're not thinking. Sony would want the PS5 preorders to be sold directly from their website because then they get all the revenue. Sony are going direct in selling hardware, software, accessories. This is a way to maximize profits and cut out third party (retail.) Its good business.

They are selecting who can pre-order first based on PSN account and locking everyone to 1 per household to counter-act scalpers. They also likely want to hand pick their biggest PSN spenders to get first dibs. Again, smart business.

I haven't seen any rumors of shortages from reputable sites. I have seen Bloomberg saying Sony is planning on selling 10 million PS5s by end of March. Thats 2.5 million MORE than PS4 sold. Not even close to short supply.

Also, Sony never announced anything about production. Thats from the article I'm linking to. Its rumored that the opposite of what you're saying is true. No shortage, in fact their predicting PS5 will be outselling the PS4 in the same timespan.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Use sources or I'll keep saying you're full of shit.

USA isnt the world.

Sony or other companies dont sell stuff on all countries directly. Just 3rd party stores/supermarkets and so on.

Neither do MS or if they do, it is small scale vs retailers.

So preorders are essential for countries that dont have sony/ms direct hardware sales.

EU is Sonys biggest market maybe, at least where they dominate most.

And it sucks to be on the mercy of 3rd party retailers as they do what they do.

Some have taken ps5 preorders here for over an year now, and some wait Sonys official pricing before they open preorders.

Also gamestop closed all their stores so there is no national gaming chain in my country anymore

 

[ethomaz]

Some thoughts, i found it interesting that some games are following the Rockstar model, aka release a brand new and super complete game, then a bit later release an online mode for this game, curious to see how this end out for the C2077 multiplayer

I'm still hating ND with TLOU2 and the MP we will never get.

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

But as people keep saying, that kind of sidelines the Series X to being the 4K machine and nothing else. It means that devs can't opt for higher graphical quality at say 1080p or 1440p for the Series X unless they massively cripple the Series S version in terms of resolution or frame rate or quality.

says who? lets see such a game, and let them cripple it

 

[saintjules]

BS?

 

[PaintTinJr]

Now that the Series S has been confirmed and is priced for mass market I'm wondering how they'll deal with the issue of Minecraft RT.

Will a faux blend of path tracing RT and rasterization be used to keep the 1080p30 format of the XsX showcase? Or will they scale all the way down to 1/3 resolutions of 960x720 or 1280x540 to fully RT? Or would they just drop the RT feature completely - and lose a major selling point for the $299 budget gamer?

it will be interesting to see if AMD or Sony respond to the Nvidia and series S release info first.

 

[BizarroPete]

Oh nice; didn't know that.

Really should be an option independent of the device though.. not everyone games at 4k even on the higher end hardware.

They're probably going to use supersampling with 1080 screens, like they do with X1X, so those 4k textures will still help improve the image quality.

 

[Shambala]

Notice they have said anything about 4tf in their ads lol. They want people to focus on the price.

 

[kyliethicc]

USA isnt the world.

Sony or other companies dont sell stuff on all countries directly. Just 3rd party stores/supermarkets and so on.

Neither do MS or if they do, it is small scale vs retailers.

So preorders are essential for countries that dont have sony/ms direct hardware sales.

EU is Sonys biggest market maybe, at least where they dominate most.

And it sucks to be on the mercy of 3rd party retailers as they do what they do.

Some have taken ps5 preorders here for over an year now, and some wait Sonys official pricing before they open preorders.

Also gamestop closed all their stores so there is no national gaming chain in my country anymore

I bet PS5 will launch first in the US only.

 

[kyliethicc]

I'm still hating ND with TLOU2 and the MP we will never get.

You'll get the Factions multiplayer next year.

 

[Three Jackdaws]

BS?

Plot Twits: Jim Ryan's secret agents working in Microsoft leaked the information to Brad Sams so Microsoft would be forced to show their cards and Sony can counter and undercut them!

 

[MasterCornholio]

BS?

Brad Sams + Windows Central

Seems like a controlled leak to me. I mean if it was just posted by a random nobody on twitter then it would seem less intentional.

But that those two were the ones who leaked it?

 

[Tesseract]

 

[Imtjnotu]

No way we get RT and 4k textures off the series s. It will be a better Xbox one x and that's it

 

[ethomaz]

You'll get the Factions multiplayer next year.

Let's see if it is true... it looked more a excuse to not let people down and the MP will never come.
They will say it is cancelled and done.

It was one of the most bullshit story in a game I was waiting...

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

Really don't know what to say in regards to the looks of the new xbox other than its bloody ugly looking.

In fact, it looks are beyond terrible, i can't believe Microsoft oked that,

Better or worse than the ps3 super slim? I'm torn

 

[Three Jackdaws]

I don't have a clue what your implying but I love this GIF.

 

[Tesseract]

I don't have a clue what your implying but I love this GIF.

 

[Tesseract]

 

[kyliethicc]

Let's see if it is true... it looked more a excuse to not let people down and the MP will never come.
They will say it is cancelled and done.

It was one of the most bullshit story in a game I was waiting...

Nah its just an excuse to get more money.

Uncharted 4 DLC ($20) became The Lost Legacy ($40 stand alone game). More money for Sony. Came out about 1 year later.
TLOU Part 2 MP becomes TLOU Factions ($40 stand alone game). More money for Sony. Will likely come out about 1 year later.

Its like how they're making as much cash as possible with Spider-Man.
$60 Spider-Man game, then 3 $10 DLCs, then 2 years later Miles Morales game ($40-$70), then Spider-Man 2 in 2022 ($70), then more DLC.

 

[DrDamn]

Any external drive would be treated like a HDD. So they can be used to play PS4 games. Maybe cold storage for PS5. That's unknown yet on PS5.

You can waste the money to buy an external SATA SSD or external NVMe drive sure, but its a waste.

Oh yeah nothing confirmed, but it would be nice if the OS supports it and makes it simple one or two click to do.

I.e. start game X, it's in 'cold' storage, auto swaps out least played game from primary and fires it up. Wouldn't be that much worse than current load times initially and much quicker once switched in.

 

[MasterCornholio]

 

[kyliethicc]

Oh yeah nothing confirmed, but it would be nice if the OS supports it and makes it simple one or two click to do.

I.e. start game X, it's in 'cold' storage, auto swaps out least played game from primary and fires it up. Wouldn't be that much worse than current load times initially and much quicker once switched in.

You'll likely need to move any games manually. And PS4 didn't get basic external HDD support until 2016. So don't expect PS5 to support cold storage for PS5 games at launch. Probably only PS4 games on HDDs.

 

[hemo memo]

 

[MasterCornholio]

With an I/O that's so fast does the PS5 even need a suspend resume feature with multiple games?

 

[Chromata]

Most casual music listeners use free spotify or youtube, soundcloud, pandora etc. They don't pay for music.

Game Pass is never going to get the mass market of gamers to buy in unless they get the big name paid games on there day and date.

Otherwise casuals will just go for free to play games (which are actually free to play on PlayStation, not Xbox.)

Try telling your casual friend to get into gaming on Xbox.
1. Sign a 2 year contract for $25/month that you can't cancel because you have to pay off the console (debt)
2. Pay to play all free to play games
3. After 2 years if you cancel, you lose all your games and your access to online, and no free to play online anymore.
4. Oh and none of those games you've heard of - Call of Duty, FIFA, etc - none of those are included with Game Pass.
5. And yes all those awesome Nintendo and PlayStation games - none of those too

Most casual music listeners use free services, but of those who do pay for music, the majority of users pay for Spotify. If someone refuses to pay for anything then they're not going to be a customer no matter what you do, the point is to entice people who may pay something. The very low entry price of Spotify is a big deal, especially among students who get additional discounts. As I said in my last post, of those who are willing to pay, there is a very large division between casual Spotify listeners and Hi-Fi enthusiasts.

I agree that the lack of big name paid games on launch is a barrier, but ultimately someone who games casually isn't shelling out the money for all of these games on launch. Instead of buying CoD and Fifa and Battlefield, they'd likely get CoD or Fifa or Battlefield. It all depends on how much you value gaming to spend x amount of money on it. Additionally, you can purchase all of these games on Xbox if you choose to, while also having game pass, and avoiding the upfront cost with XSS.

I'm not advising these people, some of them are friends, some are acquaintances. Listening to their viewpoints as someone who has been deeply involved with gaming from childhood just gave me a new perspective and I'm expressing that.

1. I'm sorry but $25/month debt as a detractor? Come on now, lol. The point is to avoid the upfront cost and this is the exact strategy used with financing mass market hardware (phones, tvs, etc.)
2. You get online access w/game pass, but I agree that they need to work on this. Gold's value proposition sticks out like a sore thumb relative to everything else they're doing.
3. This is obvious and part of every subscription service. It hasn't stopped subscription services from dominating.
4. This is true, but again it's dependent on what console you choose to purchase. You can also buy these games on Xbox, but you won't need to invest the upfront cost and will get Game Pass too.
5. This isn't as big of a point as you may believe it to be. Someone with very little investment into gaming doesn't care about the latest and greatest Nintendo/Playstation exclusive. They just want a console, a controller, and a game every now and then.

 

[Three Jackdaws]

Ok what the heck is going on? LOL

 

[DeeDogg_]

Who. Tf. CARES?
We’ve known about it for YEARS now. Just stfu please...Jesus