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[JonnyMP3]

We will never know but what would be the hype for a PT demo without Kojima/Del toro assiciated to it ?

Well it's a good thing that Hideo Kojima and Sony have built up a decent relationship with Death Stranding.

 

[Great Hair]

I'm hearing that it's larger than what people expect.

?

 

[Great Hair]

10.28 * 1.18 = 12.13. It's 18% more powerful.

PS5 100%
XSX 117.9% +18% (12.13*100/10.28)

XSX 100%
PS5 85% -15% (10.28*100/12.13)

 

[FunkMiller]

PS5 100%
XSX 117.9% +18% (12.13*100/10.28)

XSX 100%
PS5 85% -15% (10.28*100/12.13)

When you work out a percentage, the higher figure is the 100%.

10.28 tflops is 85% of 12.13. Therefore, Series X has a GPU 15% more powerful.

 

[onQ123]

When you work out a percentage, the higher figure is the 100%.

10.28 tflops is 85% of 12.13. Therefore, Series X has a GPU 15% more powerful.

That's not how it work you would say Xbox Series X compute is 18% more powerful than PS5 or you will say PS5 compute is 15% less powerful than Xbox Series X.



GPU's are more than compute by the way & Xbox Series X GPU isn't actually 18% more powerful than PS5 GPU Microsoft wouldn't even say that it's 9 X more powerful than Xbox One in their presentation they said 4 - 6 X more powerful

 

[Bryank75]

I'm hearing that it's larger than what people expect.

Sure you are...

 

[mckmas8808]

That's not how it work you would say Xbox Series X compute is 18% more powerful than PS5 or you will say PS5 compute is 15% less powerful than Xbox Series X.



GPU's are more than compute by the way & Xbox Series X GPU isn't actually 18% more powerful than PS5 GPU Microsoft wouldn't even say that it's 9 X more powerful than Xbox One in there presentation they said 4 - 6 X more powerful

now that's interesting.

 

[ksdixon]

The scary part of all of this is if it calls the Silent Hill rumor into question. Were other people besides Dusk claiming it was being worked on?

 

[onQ123]

now that's interesting.

Not to me but for people who only look at the compute numbers this is surprising .

Notice they say 4 - 6 X the raw power , the the triangle out put is Xbox One 1.6Gtri/s to Xbox Series X 7.3Gtri/s = 4.6X , The pixel fill rate is XBO 13Gpix/s to XSX 116Gpix/s = ~ 9X & the compute is around 9X they didn't just look at the compute & come out claiming that Xbox Series X is 9X more powerful than Xbox One . but they will be using new tricks like VRS to get about 10X the resolution out of XSX.

 

[MastaKiiLA]

When you work out a percentage, the higher figure is the 100%.

10.28 tflops is 85% of 12.13. Therefore, Series X has a GPU 15% more powerful.

Not really. We have percentages greater than or less than for a reason. The comparison can be made both ways. I think people are arguing about the same math. Just that the reduction provides a smaller percentage, but it's all the same in the end. A 15% reduction equals an 18% increase in this case.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Not really. We have percentages greater than or less than for a reason. The comparison can be made both ways. I think people are arguing about the same math. Just that the reduction provides a smaller percentage, but it's all the same in the end. A 15% reduction equals an 18% increase in this case.

I found it weird how some were using certain numbers. Thanks for the explanation.

 

[Jose92]

For clarification

 

[prinz_valium]

When you work out a percentage, the higher figure is the 100%.

10.28 tflops is 85% of 12.13. Therefore, Series X has a GPU 15% more powerful.

Still wrong.
PS5 is more than 15% weaker and Series X is more than 18% more powerful.

You use the wrong base.

 

[Deto]

they were wrong then and the ps fanboys are wrong now. 2TF is a *massive* amount of power, and it doesn’t matter that the percentage difference is smaller when the raw power difference is that big.

An idiot who doesn't know the basics of mathematics, percentage, wanting to talk about technology.

 

[Knitted Knight]

An idiot who doesn't know the basics of mathematics, percentage, wanting to talk about technology.

Even I felt that one. Ouch!

 

[Entroyp]

Well... the games showed us there’s no
power difference.

 

[Unknown?]

Well... the games showed us there’s no
power difference.

This topic didn't age well. Lol Dusk Golem has some 'splainin to do!

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

I'm hearing that it's larger than what people expect.

Where did you hear that from?

 

[Shmunter]

Where did you hear that from?

The imaginary insider voices in his head. The guy is a charlatan.

Don’t mean to disparage, but having that verified tag I do not hold back.

 

[MrFunSocks]

An idiot who doesn't know the basics of mathematics, percentage, wanting to talk about technology.

That tag of yours says it all big guy

You just get back from a ban or something, that’s why you’re digging up months old threads to console war? Guess you’ll get another enforced holiday soon enough.

 

[Zekra Dezivad]

I'm sure Series will end being "more powerful" since I still think that beefier gpu and quicker cpu will have an advantage sooner or later, but I don't think I'll care that much.

 

[ethomaz]

Made up claims end up being FUD.

Well another day on PlayStation hate side.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Where did you hear that from?

VFXVeteran heard it from the same voices in his head that said Cyberpunk is the best visuals anyone can ever expect on PS5

 

[kyoji]

That tag of yours says it all big guy

You just get back from a ban or something, that’s why you’re digging up months old threads to console war? Guess you’ll get another enforced holiday soon enough.

you were better off just saying nothing lol. Just hold the L man.

 

[DonJorginho]

Out of all the threads one could bump, why this one?

Console Wars, that's why, the most useless war of all, both are plastic boxes that play good games well at the end of the day, just enjoy them for what they are or play on a PC or Switch if that's more up your alley, hell do all 4 be a proper madlad!

 

[Knitted Knight]

Where did you hear that from?

The same place he hears all the other made up nonsense he trolls with.....

Certified

 

[megreotsugua]

Where did you hear that from?

He's a complete fanboy trying his best to be in denial. He's not one to talk to if you want honest discussion.

 

[VictorVectors]

An idiot who doesn't know the basics of mathematics, percentage, wanting to talk about technology.

A bump to a thread that died 4 months ago? Okeee Dokeee Someone was snorkling down the GAF archive.

I miss reckless nonsense like his from time to time. It makes for easy debate. Plus Dusk Golem did still make some high quality points from time to time.

 

[SlimySnake]

Where did you hear that from?

He has got "way too many" sources within the industry. He has an impeccable track record. I remember watching the PS5 reveal on the 5th of February like it was yesterday. We all know the PS5 is indeed 9 tflops because he is not lying, Cerny is the liar. I still remember when Cerny stole my last kitkat and lied to my mom about it.

If there is one insider I trust on this website it's VFX. He singlehandedly gave us the PS5 Pro at launch. Did Cerny? Nope. I was playing cyberpunk on my PS5 pro yesterday with ray traced reflections at native 8k 120 fps. VFX made that happen.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Another goldmine of FUD unearthed.

So many Ls to distribute. Please queue up.

 

[Md Ray]

That's not how it work you would say Xbox Series X compute is 18% more powerful than PS5 or you will say PS5 compute is 15% less powerful than Xbox Series X.



GPU's are more than compute by the way & Xbox Series X GPU isn't actually 18% more powerful than PS5 GPU Microsoft wouldn't even say that it's 9 X more powerful than Xbox One in their presentation they said 4 - 6 X more powerful

Not to me but for people who only look at the compute numbers this is surprising .

Notice they say 4 - 6 X the raw power , the the triangle out put is Xbox One 1.6Gtri/s to Xbox Series X 7.3Gtri/s = 4.6X , The pixel fill rate is XBO 13Gpix/s to XSX 116Gpix/s = ~ 9X & the compute is around 9X they didn't just look at the compute & come out claiming that Xbox Series X is 9X more powerful than Xbox One . but they will be using new tricks like VRS to get about 10X the resolution out of XSX.

people should have paid attention to these posts.

 

[Yoboman]

I'm hearing that it's larger than what people expect.

Industry Professional (Vetted) everybody

What games company does he work for? Don't ask such silly questions!

 

[Bittermich]

An idiot who doesn't know the basics of mathematics, percentage, wanting to talk about technology.

looking at how different Cyberpunk runs on XSX compared to PS5 then yeah, there is indeed a massive difference. Its basically a different Version that is running on XSX compared to PS5.

 

[Mokus]

That tag of yours says it all big guy

You just get back from a ban or something, that’s why you’re digging up months old threads to console war? Guess you’ll get another enforced holiday soon enough.

It shows that you know nothing about "power" and back in August you were lying just to discredit/underplay the PS5 capabilities.

 

[onQ123]

people should have paid attention to these posts.

They still will not accept the truth they will rather believe that MS is going to flip a switch soon that will change the outcome of games without Sony being able to do the same thing lol

 

[assurdum]

I'm hearing that it's larger than what people expect.

Larger uh?

 

[assurdum]

looking at how different Cyberpunk runs on XSX compared to PS5 then yeah, there is indeed a massive difference. Its basically a different Version that is running on XSX compared to PS5.

You know right is the one X version Vs the PS4 pro? It's as to take Borderlands 3 as example to say the difference between ps5 and series X are massive

 

[mansoor1980]

insiders confirming from their contacts on phone? LOL

 

[Heisenberg007]

looking at how different Cyberpunk runs on XSX compared to PS5 then yeah, there is indeed a massive difference. Its basically a different Version that is running on XSX compared to PS5.

True. It literally is a different version running on XSX. That's known as the Xbox One X version or the BC version.

 

[Heisenberg007]

It’s fine, we’ve already done our pre-work on discrediting Digital Foundry so we can call them MS shills.

The irony!

Now the comparisons do not matter because of "tools".

 

[DarkMage619]

True. It literally is a different version running on XSX. That's known as the Xbox One X version or the BC version.

I was told over and over again there was no next gen patch and the only reason the XSX performed OK was that it was running in back compat mode. Back compat titles are the only ones that have a chance to beat the PS5. This is another back compat title.

 

[onesvenus]

The imaginary insider voices in his head. The guy is a charlatan.

Don’t mean to disparage, but having that verified tag I do not hold back.

Yet you believe in what people with A LOT less knowledge on the technical side say. Makes totally sense.

 

[v_iHuGi]

Dusk Clown, a goblet.

 

[Heisenberg007]

I was told over and over again there was no next gen patch and the only reason the XSX performed OK was that it was running in back compat mode. Back compat titles are the only ones that have a chance to beat the PS5. This is another back compat title.

And the reason is simple and has nothing to do with the capabilities of XSX and PS5.

A BC version of the game on XSX automatically inherits Xbox One X settings, while the PS5 inherits the PS4 Pro settings. Since Xbox One X was more powerful, it usually has higher resolution and frame-rate caps than PS4 Pro. So Xbox Series X inherits higher caps than PS5.

For example, Cyberpunk on XSX has a cap of ~1800p (because of Xbox One X), while on PS5 the cap is ~1200p (because of PS4 Pro).

Fanboys using a BC game to claim XSX's power over PS5 literally means nothing. They just want to feel better for a little while.

 

[Bittermich]

And the reason is simple and has nothing to do with the capabilities of XSX and PS5.

A BC version of the game on XSX automatically inherits Xbox One X settings, while the PS5 inherits the PS4 Pro settings. Since Xbox One X was power more powerful, it usually has higher resolution and frame-rate caps than PS4 Pro. So Xbox Series X inherits higher caps than PS5.

For example, Cyberpunk on XSX has a cap of ~1800p (because of Xbox One X), while on PS5 the cap is ~1200p (because of PS4 Pro).

Fanboys using a BC game to claim XSX's power over PS5 literally means nothing. They just want to feel better for a little while.

You know right is the one X version Vs the PS4 pro?

bullshit. XSX has a quality and a performance mode. One X does not have anything like that. Also PS5 is different.
These are not simply BC versions. DF already confirmed it.

But you do you, whatever makes you sleep at night buddy.

EDIT: Quote from DF:


"Xbox Series X also offers more than just backwards compatibility. While it does seem to share a bunch of features from the Xbox One X version of the game, it gains the ability to choose between quality and performance modes - a choice you don't have on One X.
City density in terms of NPC and vehicle count sees Series X clearly running with higher settings - it's not a like-for-like comparison."

 

[Heisenberg007]

bullshit. XSX has a quality and a performance mode. One X does not have anything like that. Also PS5 is different.
These are not simply BC versions. DF already confirmed it.

But you do you, whatever makes you sleep at night buddy.

These are BC versions, and DF also confirmed it.

"Despite leaning on backwards compatibility - and not specifically addressing the capabilities of the new hardware - it's clear that next-gen offers the core technological building blocks to provide a much more solid experience."

Xbox Series X version got some additional features because of the superior backward compatibility system it has.

"Quite why both consoles don't get the same features may well come down to how backwards compatibility is implemented by the platform holders. We know that Xbox allows for new Xbox One games to be 'aware' that they are running on Series consoles, opening the door to further console-exclusive features." -- Digital Foundry article.

Are you now going to deny Richard and Digital Foundry?

 

[sinnergy]

bullshit. XSX has a quality and a performance mode. One X does not have anything like that. Also PS5 is different.
These are not simply BC versions. DF already confirmed it.

But you do you, whatever makes you sleep at night buddy.

EDIT: Quote from DF:


"Xbox Series X also offers more than just backwards compatibility. While it does seem to share a bunch of features from the Xbox One X version of the game, it gains the ability to choose between quality and performance modes - a choice you don't have on One X.
City density in terms of NPC and vehicle count sees Series X clearly running with higher settings - it's not a like-for-like comparison."

He clearly is unbiased

 

[Shmunter]

Yet you believe in what people with A LOT less knowledge on the technical side say. Makes totally sense.

Like who? Santa Clause?

 

[Agnostic2020]

bullshit. XSX has a quality and a performance mode. One X does not have anything like that. Also PS5 is different.
These are not simply BC versions. DF already confirmed it.

But you do you, whatever makes you sleep at night buddy.

EDIT: Quote from DF:


"Xbox Series X also offers more than just backwards compatibility. While it does seem to share a bunch of features from the Xbox One X version of the game, it gains the ability to choose between quality and performance modes - a choice you don't have on One X.
City density in terms of NPC and vehicle count sees Series X clearly running with higher settings - it's not a like-for-like comparison."

Ofcourse its a higher setting . Its running the x1x version vs ps4 pro version . Ps5 has even the same resolution as pro . All they did for ps5 was to unlock the frame from pro .and we know ps5 has a higher average for 60 fps vs xsx based on data from vgtech

 

[Heisenberg007]

"Xbox Series X also offers more than just backwards compatibility. While it does seem to share a bunch of features from the Xbox One X version of the game, it gains the ability to choose between quality and performance modes - a choice you don't have on One X.
City density in terms of NPC and vehicle count sees Series X clearly running with higher settings - it's not a like-for-like comparison."

Exactly. It is running in BC mode with some additional features because it's next-gen aware. But it is still literally running in BC mode because there is no next-gen version yet.

Hence the quote by DF: "Quite why both consoles don't get the same features may well come down to how backwards compatibility is implemented by the platform holders. We know that Xbox allows for new Xbox One games to be 'aware' that they are running on Series consoles, opening the door to further console-exclusive features."

And how did you miss it's not a like-for-like comparison? DF is explicitly saying that the PS5 and XSX cannot be compared like these because one version (XSX) has additional settings unlocked while the PS5 version doesn't.

Then how and why are you using CP2077 to claim that XSX is more powerful than PS5?