Miles708
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Mania was good but people oversell it waaay too much
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New Sonic Team Game - Official Teaser Trailer
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MMaRsu
Member
Lmao no. Mania is the best Sonic product since Sonic & Knuckles 3. Everything after it is trash.
MMaRsu
Member
This is why Sonic fans suck ass and are also stupidThere has never been a good 3d Sonic
cireza
Member
I would say that most of the games made by Sonic Team were at least good games.
mcjmetroid
Member
I think you're both correct. Mania is the best Sonic game probably ever but I have a hard time saying that with a full heart because it is half a new game and half a remaster. I do think people oversell it when they say it's the best thing ever based on that.
I understand completely that that's what they needed to do in Sonic Mania 1 when they were making the game.
However I would like to see a sequel with completely new levels and perhaps some new innovations as well.
mcjmetroid
Member
No.. those are the worst ones with a think the exception of Sonic Boom. Sonic would be in a better position today if Sega fired the entirety of Sonic Team.
It's like Pokemon with Gamefreak but at least Pokemon games are mostly solid.
MMaRsu
Member
I absolutely disagree
Miles708
Member
I mean, aside Forces, 06 and Shadow, the rest is from good to very good. Unleashed is genuinely great.
MMaRsu
Member
Adventure is also not good , neither is 2
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Miles708
Member
Adventure is good if you play on dreamcast, every other version is buggy garbage.
Sonic Adventure 2 is objectively good, that's not really up to debate.
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The great thing about Mania is that the actual "remaster" part of it would be the hardest thing to botch, level themes and music other Sonic games over the year have at the very least made good level themes and music. The actual level design and flow is what Sonic Team usually sucks at, yet in Mania it's the strongest part of the game and it's not a copy paste from the old levels
Mania panders a lot, but if you remove that pandering you are still left with by far the strongest Sonic game since 1994. It's far more original that what the reused level themes lead you to believe since it rarely uses more than a couple of set pieces from them.
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cireza
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There is no debate with people spreading their rage against Sonic in every single topic. There don't play Sonic games. They just hate and have nothing better to do.
Obviously, people who like the franchise have been playing the games and having fun. Unleashed, Colors, Generations, Lost World, Forces were all fun games, and at the very least, good games.
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MMaRsu
Member
Man, SA2 is not good
.The only reason SA1 was fun at times is bc DC launch title. After there were other games u never touch it again, its trash.
MMaRsu
Member
Ive played most if not all Sonic games, except the 3d ones because they are just horrible horrible games.
cireza
Member
Maybe that these games are not for you, and you should move on to something else.
I don't like 3D Mario or Zelda, and I don't go into every single thread about these games to complain. They are not for me, that's it.
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Miles708
Member
The problem lies in your post, I'll let you have the fun to discover it.
MMaRsu
Member
Right. Those are objectively good games. Sonic 3d games all review like shit, look like shit, have shit storylines and shit voice acting. Not to mention shit physics. You cant say none of that about Mario or Zelda. Even if you dont like them they are quality games.
Its like im arguiing with fanboys here
Astral Dog
Member
They tried and the result was Sonic BOOM
Miles708
Member
Dude.
Astral Dog
Member
GameFreak at least makes cheap rpg games that always sell millions and get good/ok reviews consistently, they are a treasure compared to Sonic Team nobody would ever think of firing them
Sonic Team is, huh not consistent at all though they are capable of making a solid memorable game under the right conditions(but never acclaimed so far)
Kokoloko85
Member
Get a good established team. Didnt one of the Yakuza guys say he would like to work on a sonic game. I trust them more
Kokoloko85
Member
Your coming into a thread to talk shit on sonic games to a bunch of sonic Fans.
What do you expect?
Sonic haters love to make a big deal out of how there not good games. Its like there stuck in the Mario vs Sonic times lol
The classic sonics were fun and I lovedSA2 and SA1 is pretty fun
mcjmetroid
Member
Adventure 2 is the one I played. It's a very messy game but there's lots of it.. guess that's why it's held so high in regard.
OmegaSpirit32X
Member
they didn't even show gameplay. but you will hate it only because it's in 3D
guys the 3D games aren''t that bad give them a chance.
nostalgia classic sonic tards are just as bad as pokemon genwunners if not worse.
>it's like im arguing to a bunch of fanboys
no shit, your talking shit about sonic ina sonic thread to a bunch of sonic fans.
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Astral Dog
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Well, tbh there aren't many developers out there that know how to make well designed 3D platforming games, even Nintendo mostly sticks to 3D Mario and the rest are 2D platformers.
The last time a big publisher tried to release a 3D platformer was Balan Wonderland
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Spaceman292
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Wow I wonder if this one will be shit just like all the other ones.
Thay was rhetorical because the answer is obviously yes.
Thay was rhetorical because the answer is obviously yes.
Kenshin775
Member
it seems there are couple more leaks coming from 4Chan and Twitter about the next sonic game
Open world + Sonic Unleashed style levels? wtf that is actually a good decision. Just make attacking enemies more complex than button mashing and you will actually have a good game. Sonic running up and down mountains and hills and running over water, or running through underground tunnels, man the open world potential is incredible. If they do it right its going to feel fun like traversing the world in Spiderman by slinging around in the air.
I always wondered why Sonic unleashed has such good user review scores on Metacritic but awful critic scores. I mean I understand gamers liked it because its fun except for the Werehog crap, but I dont understand why the critics didnt like it.
Miles708
Member
As I said many times, history is finally redeeming Sonic Unleashed, which was crished from critics as they (as it happens too often) were too engulfed in the general sentiment towards the franchise. I mean, the memories of Shadow The Hedgehog and Sonic 06 were still fresh, so there's a reason, but still.
From either technical, artistic, gameplay and musical point of view, Sonic Unleashed is genuinely great.
I agree with your point toward free-roam being a good call. That's something the series has been chasing since Sonic 2006. Anyone remember the first screenshot they showed way back in 2005? Well here it is:
THAT'S what we should be getting already.
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JeremyEtcetera
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Scientists should look into why the Sonic franchise causes massive memory loss and potential Alzheimer's after every game release.
Miles708
Member
I don't know what you're talking about. Also, I don't know what you're talking about.
ResilientBanana
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They need to lean more towards the Styling of ratchet and clank and less realistic
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JeremyEtcetera
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chigstoke
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I went back to play Adventure last year on DC after having to play DX for God knows how long.
Aside from the frame rate initially being jarring, it's by far the superior version of the game.
Need to get a HDMI solution again and hook the DC back up to play some.
ResilientBanana
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Sonic always finds himself somewhere out in the real world with real people, when it should be a world of animals.
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JeremyEtcetera
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OmegaSpirit32X
Member
idk im fine with people in Sonic's world. idk how to describe it but it just feels more unqiue.
cireza
Member
Well that's not the case. They have pretty good reviews, as well as reviews from buyers on sites like amazon. They have good storyline for kids and teens. Voice acting sounds spot on to me, and they also look very good.
Stop embarrassing yourself like this.
cireza
Member
So all 3D games are shit but the only one you played is Adventure 2.
You look like the average guy that comes raging inside Sonic threads indeed. Awesome contribution, thanks a lot.
ResilientBanana
Member
Kind of like how Mario ended up with normal people in a city? Nahhh man
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JeremyEtcetera
Unconfirmed Member
Humans have been in the original Sonic 90s comics and tv shows so they've been there since almost the beginning.
But honestly, your concern is odd anyway since there haven't been human characters in the past 8 Sonic games(over a decade). The last known human characters aside from Robotnik were in Sonic Unleashed and Sonic Black Knight(both 2009 games).
OmegaSpirit32X
Member
Sonic had normal people since the 90's
not counting edutatement games or cartoons.
mcjmetroid
Member
Out of the two adventure games I've played 2 not 1 that's all I meant there..
Not sure where this anger comes from. I haven't played sonic boom or sonic forces.. do I need to?
I've played other ones:
Sonic and the secret rings: garbage
Sonic unleashed: great looking game great art style. It's not bad but too rollercoastery for my liking.
Sonic Heroes: not terrible but a step in the wrong direction.
I really enjoy the kart racing sonic games.
Sonic adventure 2 is the best 3D one I've played and that has problems but it was going in the right direction. It had fast gameplay but also had platforming that made you stop and think. With a little more polish they could have made the series consistent.
But they changed up the formula and released Sonic Heroes and gave been doing this since.
I say this as a person who really liked Sonic mania and the classic sonic games.
Sonic needs an overhaul. With the success of the movies it's time to put money and time into sonic.
Grand Theft Scratchy
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SEGA also leaked the name of the game Sonic Rangers in a press release so it is official then.it seems there are couple more leaks coming from 4Chan and Twitter about the next sonic game
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ShadowDurza
Neo Member
There has never been a good 3d Sonic
Psst.
Spark the Electric Jester 2
Sonic GT
Pass it on.
OmegaSpirit32X
Member
at this point, it's obvious this RyuCookingRice guy is a troll. who else comes to a thread about a series they don't like, and shit on it? specially if it's a series as infamous as Sonic?
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JeremyEtcetera
Unconfirmed Member
Don't let it get to you, multiple people of this forum do it all the time. It's a lot like hate-watching a movie or TV show/ a lot like wrestling fans.
At the end of the day, they're still an extra click, a view, and a thread bump.