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DO THE MATH.... Sony expanding first party development is a FAR better strategy than acquiring a big third party publishers
- Thread starter GigaBowser
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Warzone isn't going anywhere. It's the yearly, possibly no longer yearly, releases I'm talking about. Point being that Spiderman is just as popular on the single platform as COD. Its sales are limited by only being on one console but its popularity on that console comparable.
If COD goes single console too it essentially becomes your Spiderman or Halo after some market adjustment.
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Low Moral Fibre
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Sony should just buy MS and increase the price of Gamepass to £25,000 a month. History shows that most people don't bother cancelling monthly subs so it's easy money. Do the math on that and you will see they can pay off the cost in no time.
They can give a 5% discount to anyone that can prove they own a PS5 to guarantee some good press making it a win/win.
They can keep Xbox as the budget alternative to PlayStation as Audi is the budget alternative to Skoda.
They can give a 5% discount to anyone that can prove they own a PS5 to guarantee some good press making it a win/win.
They can keep Xbox as the budget alternative to PlayStation as Audi is the budget alternative to Skoda.
Pedro Motta
Gold Member
I won't deny you're a moron.
DragonNCM
Member
You know how hard is to gather good development team ?
It will past at least 5-10y at best till you make 1 AAA game.
Money is not a problem at all.
Leyasu
Banned
Okay I got ya! But do you think that Spider-Man sells as many consoles as COD?
You are correct about warzone, that will stay on PlayStation
Brofist
Member
Well definitely the anger stage for you
I don't have survey data or anything but if people are going by sales data alone then they seem comparable on a single platform. Data shows that people who buy a PS5 are more likely to get Miles Morales than COD but this may be multiplatform owners skew so there is no way of knowing. I just think it's silly to claim that people only buy spiderman because they bought a console for COD though.
Leyasu
Banned
I don’t know if Nintendo works here. The WiiU was an utter failure and looking at the 1st party games on Switch, quite a few are just WiiU ports.Poor Nintendo, they failed with the Switch and they don't know it, yet
They are probably wondering where all that money is coming from
Their next console could well be another WiiU.
The person you replied to has a point, removing some or all of those franchises from PlayStation or Xbox and the sales would dip/decline for sure
Pedro Motta
Gold Member
I'm always angry when I see useless bait. You're still a moron with nothing to say.
Saber
Member
You must totally check the "Nintendo is doomed/panic" thread about Activision being bought. Because according to them well...Nintendo is in panic right now.
Frankly, I'm still scratching my head over the "casuals buy PS4/PS5 because of CoD" argument.
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MrFunSocks
Banned
Once again you and a lot of others seem to have problems with basic comprehension.
I didn’t say Spider-Man only sells “because of COD”. I said spider man can only sell 20 million because games like cod/fifa/madden/fortnite are the reason for all those consoles being sold in the first place. Without them shifting hardware by the millions every year, Spider-Man wouldn’t have 20 million people to sell to.
COD sells more than spider man every year. Fact.
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Leyasu
Banned
Yeah I agree that it is a silly claim. If this was indeed what was being claimed.
Although my gut feeling that side by side or any other way I don’t know. Would be that COD would shift more PS5s than spider-man. I am not going to die on that hill though, because there’s not enough data to validate it plus I don’t want to sound like I am console warring.
My opinions or gut feelings don’t mean shit.
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The smartest thing MS can do is leave COD on Playstation. I think its correct that if they pull the biggest FPS game in the world, it will create a void in Sonys massive player base. It would allow sony to attempt to fill it with a new shooter( socom?)
What MS will do imo, is launch the next console with full Cod exclusivity. That allows all new buyers to weigh that exclusivity when making their console purchase. While not allowing Cods marketshare to be lost to a new mid console lifecycle, shooter filling the void.
What MS will do imo, is launch the next console with full Cod exclusivity. That allows all new buyers to weigh that exclusivity when making their console purchase. While not allowing Cods marketshare to be lost to a new mid console lifecycle, shooter filling the void.
Negotiator101
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Destroyed that poster with one post
Papacheeks
Banned
That cash cow has only equated to most 260Million in generated profit, compared to the entire year(12months) which was 8.8 Billion. It's a good chunck but compared to the entire year its not a deal breaker.
Sony to lose $260 million a year if Call of Duty goes Xbox exclusive
Sony will lose up to an estimated $260 million a year if Call of Duty leaves PlayStation and becomes a full Xbox exclusive.
www.tweaktown.com
Activision's megaton franchise contributes hundreds of millions in distribution payments to Sony, Microsoft, and other platform-holders like Valve every year. The annualized release cadence is a dependable source of third-party earning contributions for Sony. It could also be the same for Microsoft, who would pocket Activision's 70% cut of all Call of Duty game sales and revenues.
After all, Sony's ecosystem consists of over 116 million shipped PlayStation 4 consoles and Microsoft would also forgo millions--or perhaps billions--in revenues if it pulled Call of Duty from PlayStation platforms.
In 2020 alone, Call of Duty generated $3 billion in total revenues across Warzone, mainline games, and mobile titles.
Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/8413...f-call-of-duty-goes-xbox-exclusive/index.html
262.6 Million at the highest. Sorry Sony will be fine. They will pick up the slack with other titles that are GAAS titles or have renewables.
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Source and whose numbers are you talking about?
I assume 260m is the Sony's profit from Activision revenue.
8.8bn is Sony's wider group's profit.
you're telling me that if a console doesn't sell, a game selling on that console alone can't sell that much?
And your argument for that is if miraculously ALL the popular games disappeared from a console. That's not really insightful. PS5 is the fastest selling console and all those games aren't disappearing.
Your exact words were
"Spider Man and co only sold that many copies because people bought the console they are on because of games like Call of Duty. This argument falls flat on its face instantly."
So what you are arguing is that multiplatform games become the huge sellers by default and exclusives only sell because of them. Or is it that popular games sell consoles? notice that the games listed as most popular by you don't have exclusives in them yet on a single platform Spiderman and COD are comparable in popularity.
Even if strictly hypothetically speaking ALL currently popular multiplatform games disappeared it still wouldn't be true because Nintendo is proof of that. They do even higher numbers than 20M without them.
Buggy Loop
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You’re absolutely right and I can’t believe this even has to be hammered in so many times in this thread. It’s either head in the sand situation or a copium overdose.
Sony first party sales ARE benefited by huge 3rd party sellers, duh. What is there even to argue? CoD is HUGE for mainstream. Denying that is mind boggling.
Leyasu
Banned
Taken on its own it is not. But if the people that buy the console for the game are not there, then the downturn is across the board. Some people probably just play cod only but I doubt that they are the majority.
I just read your edit. I don’t why you are saying “sorry but Sony will be fine” for?
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Sony first party sales are benefited by huge 3rd party games. 3rd party games are hugely benefited by console sales. First party games create console sales too. Nobody is denying COD isn't mainstream. It's the idea that Spiderman, God Of War etc can't be mainstream too but are entirely dependent on COD to sell consoles.
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SF Kosmo
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MS's strategy is different because GamePass. They are buying up publishers not just because they need marquee titles to lure people to the Xbox ecosystem but because they need to be able to produce the volume of content needed to sustain a service like GamePass as well as a back catalog of content that can live there permanently and fill out the library.
We saw Netflix gradually shift their resources from licensing third party content to producing or buying permanent exclusive rights to stuff for similar reasons. Licensing content isn't as profitable and those deals need to be renewed, which means they get more expensive for popular stuff... It's hard to make enough original content for a subscription service but MS needs to get there.
I really don't think MS and Sony are playing the same game. Sony doesn't have to worry about their ability to make great hugely successful games to bring in players, they are masters at that. But if they launch a GamePass competitor don't expect them to keep up with the volume of games on there.
We saw Netflix gradually shift their resources from licensing third party content to producing or buying permanent exclusive rights to stuff for similar reasons. Licensing content isn't as profitable and those deals need to be renewed, which means they get more expensive for popular stuff... It's hard to make enough original content for a subscription service but MS needs to get there.
I really don't think MS and Sony are playing the same game. Sony doesn't have to worry about their ability to make great hugely successful games to bring in players, they are masters at that. But if they launch a GamePass competitor don't expect them to keep up with the volume of games on there.
Its not that they aren't msinstream but they aren't really comparable games.
The amount of time spent playing cod/warzone dwarfs time spent playing some of those games. Maybe even all of those games combined. That makes a difference. Thats the hole that could be created. A massive loss in hours played.
Thirty7ven
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Long version:
Sony will just have to move their ass like they have in the past, this might be a blessing in disguise for PlayStation.
Activision Blizzard has been nothing but a COD factory anyway, at least on consoles, and if MS doesn’t make COD exclusive then not much changes for PlayStation.
The ugly side of this obscene consolidation going on is if an Apple comes in and buys Sony or some crazy shit like that. I’m sure a lot of people would throw a party because that’s the age we live in, a bunch of morons excited about dystopian mega corps that have more lobbying power than you can imagine. Holla back in twenty years so I can read your tears about the golden days of gaming.
Short version:
Sony needs to buy SE, EA, Capcom, Etc etc etc suck my banana
Sony will just have to move their ass like they have in the past, this might be a blessing in disguise for PlayStation.
Activision Blizzard has been nothing but a COD factory anyway, at least on consoles, and if MS doesn’t make COD exclusive then not much changes for PlayStation.
The ugly side of this obscene consolidation going on is if an Apple comes in and buys Sony or some crazy shit like that. I’m sure a lot of people would throw a party because that’s the age we live in, a bunch of morons excited about dystopian mega corps that have more lobbying power than you can imagine. Holla back in twenty years so I can read your tears about the golden days of gaming.
Short version:
Sony needs to buy SE, EA, Capcom, Etc etc etc suck my banana
Ezekiel_
Banned
COD/FIFA/Madden/Fortnite are on all platforms, so the differentiators are exclusive games, no?
then if we want to put it this way ..... Sony has nothing comparable to Nintendo's IPs. The switch continues to outsell whatever Sony or Microsoft throws at it. The switch market is d different from that of the PS5 and Xbox.Poor Nintendo, they failed with the Switch and they don't know it, yet
They are probably wondering where all that money is coming from
ok you are another one of the small circle ... that thinks after a 70b acquisition and Sony begging Ms to keep cod available that "nothing happened .. everything is fine" ..spiderman will take COD place Okay. we will see
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clarky
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the user base is ? You only answered half a question, im fully aware of what class leading "means"
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Captain Toad
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Little known? Ratchet and Clank, Spider-Man (they did the first before being purchased), Resistance.
Post in thread 'DO THE MATH.... Sony expanding first party development is a FAR better strategy than acquiring a big third party publishers' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/do-t...third-party-publishers.1628434/post-265433148
His rather weird usage explained. I didn't know spending time and money was enough of a metric of a quality user but ehh.
Captain Toad
Banned
They just spent over HALF of Microsoft's cash on hand on Activision. It's not never ending. The deal has to be lucrative or it could damage even a company as big as Microsoft.
Definitely in terms of engagement and microtransactions it dwarfs them. It can create a hole on the platform if it goes. That hole is filled by another multiplatform game that becomes a more popular bestseller for releasing on all. Somebody mentioned Gears. Gears is about player engagement, a multiplayer game with microtransactions like COD. That should be comparable yet its sales will never reach multiplatform COD now. At its peak it sold more on the 360 than COD did on the 360 though.
nemiroff
Gold Member
If you think MS is buying Activision Blizzard just to snatch a couple of exclusives to spite Sony then you're not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer. This is clearly bigger and more future directed than just being Sony's competitor. Think Meta, Google, Netflix, Amazon.
I don't think they own any of those IPs. Sony had the rights to all of those already. Insomniac wasn't an IP purchase but a studio talent one.
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Sosokrates
Report me if I continue to console war
I think it will be similar, but slightly less pressure for the gamepass model because if a big game does not review amazing there likely wont be a loss. Its only if games kept on disappointing they would see reduced subscriptions.
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
This is such nonsense.
The Metaverse is buzzword being used to pump up investors.
The whole thing is a gimmick that will never take off. It has absolutely nothing to do with COD.
Kdad
Member
I'm still waiting on the SH/Hasan/Kojima reveal, ain't got time for denial.
nemiroff
Gold Member
Fuck off trying to put words in my mouth. Never said anything about "metaverse" [edit: well, it's about that too, point is, it's not just about that]. Did you forget that Netflix is into gaming now.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
So call of duty doesn’t make people think about a console purchase?
I think you better tell Sony that because they spent a shit ton of cash making sure that the PlayStation logo came up on tv ads and alsorts when ever call of duty is promoted
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
realy love these kind of post, like in a realy dystopian future we gonna have time to worry about what toys the adult babies play with…
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
Yeah I did forget because nobody cares.
nemiroff
Gold Member
I don't care about streaming myself right now, but that's not the point, nobody should care about what you and me think about current states per se. That's why I'm trying to leave my preferences aside and try to discuss what substance there could be in these things (including "the metaverse") to be evolved and iterated into edible form in the future. Thus we revisit the point of MS buying AB. The tech and entertainment giants are all obviously trying to get the biggest pieces of the future entertainment cake.
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Where did I say nothing will happen or that Spiderman will take CODs place? MS will gain marketshare. I imagine that's why they did it. Sony will continue to sell consoles though. New games and new multiplatform IPs akin to Fortnite will come and be bestsellers. Your only point against exclusives being that they don't sell as much as multiplats due to being exclusives to begin with.
Bragr
Banned
You got a point, but you need to think about how every part fits into a whole. Meaning, the appeal from the PS5 comes from more than its first-party studios.
Gamers ask themselves a few questions when they purchase a device, is it affordable? what games are on it? what do my friends have?
Call of Duty, Minecraft, Madden/FIFA, first-party support, it all comes together and builds a whole. If you reduce the offering on one of these aspects, the console sales will go down, and the first-party sales will go down with them. Call of Duty is a very important part of that whole and adds a lot to that ecosystem.
By Microsoft buying Zenimax and Activision/Blizzard, they have added to their whole, while Sony has lost a lot of it. Luckily for them, Microsoft is willing to have Minecraft and Call of Duty available across consoles.
Gamers ask themselves a few questions when they purchase a device, is it affordable? what games are on it? what do my friends have?
Call of Duty, Minecraft, Madden/FIFA, first-party support, it all comes together and builds a whole. If you reduce the offering on one of these aspects, the console sales will go down, and the first-party sales will go down with them. Call of Duty is a very important part of that whole and adds a lot to that ecosystem.
By Microsoft buying Zenimax and Activision/Blizzard, they have added to their whole, while Sony has lost a lot of it. Luckily for them, Microsoft is willing to have Minecraft and Call of Duty available across consoles.
ChiefDada
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For $70b, ambitions must extend beyond consoles, and by extension, Sony and Nintendo.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
It's going to be a long year.