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[TLZ]

I think this rules out both a slim and a pro model.

Why?

 

[SlimySnake]

Not confused. 21.7/2 = 10.9. How far is it from 13.9? It's an easy round up. Soon enough, we wouldn't need to round up as it'll become a reality with how many PS5's are flooding the market.

21.7/13.9=1.56 or 56%. For your 2:1 claim to be true, the PS5 unit sales wouldve been 100% more than the Xbox unit sales.

 

[Pagusas]

USA! USA! USA!

 

[Bo_Hazem]

21.7/13.9=1.56 or 56%. For your 2:1 claim to be true, the PS5 unit sales wouldve been 100% more than the Xbox unit sales.

Ok then, sorry? 44% more to go.

 

[anthony2690]

“Other” just not Xbox

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/nintendo-says-it-has-no-plans-to-increase-the-switch-price/

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Hold your breath for another 1-2 years and let's check the ratio later. Now could you please provide us with official Xbox sales? You know, so we can be "accurate".

21 is short of 0.7 by Sony 2 months ago:

A financial report released by Sony revealed that by the first quarter of this fiscal year ending June 31, the company shipped over 21.7 million units worldwide.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/...s/news-story/747332c7ae459da44189172c23a24b84

So your 2:1 is using your "estimates" being more accurate than other sites "estimates" and what will happen in 2 years, got it

I love ya Bo but man even this is a stretch

Besides, I live and game in the US so all I care about is when I turn on my console of choice for that night how many people will be filling lobbies in said game.

You know how much I care about how many consoles were sold in Singapore last Tuesday between 5:00 and 7:00?

 

[Zathalus]

No point in using fake numbers, VGCharts just makes that stuff up.

This is a more credible source: https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/08/25...ation-5-console-due-to-soaring-inflation.html

Ampere Analysis estimates that Sony had sold 21 million PS5s worldwide compared to Microsoft’s Xbox Series consoles at 13.8 million.

We know PS5 is at 21.7 million, those estimate aren't far off.

I care about paying for quality and not wasting my money.






And with more PS5's available it'll keep gaping, as always.

What exactly makes Ampere more accurate then VGChartz? Is it because you find the numbers more appealing? Can you actually provide any evidence at all indicating Ampere is far more accurate?

Almost every single time Nintendo or Sony release sales numbers VGChartz is no more then a few percentage out of alignment which indicates to me that the tracking that they do is rather good.

But even if Ampere is accurate, that basically means a difference of 1.6:1. The PS4 and XBO at this point was something like 2.1:1.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

So your 2:1 is using your "estimates" being more accurate than other sites "estimates" and what will happen in 2 years, got it

I love ya Bo but man even this is a stretch

Besides, I live and game in the US so all I care about is when I turn on my console of choice for that night how many people will be filling lobbies in said game.

You know how much I care about how many consoles were sold in Singapore last Tuesday between 5:00 and 7:00?

I don't live in the US and I barely know anyone who bought an xbox. Should we go that route? The US is a big market, but not planet Earth.

PS: Many markets redirect xbox from the US market, inflating the US sales further due to the lack of official presence of xbox in many markets.

 

[SlimySnake]

Why?

Margins. The slim or Pro version would require a smaller node around 5nm and those are no longer cheaper like they were in the past. If we believe Sony and the cost of everything has gone up then the actual CPU/GPU chip would be where most of the savings would need to come from, and the switch to the 5nm is not going to allow that. At least not for a few years.

They might save a few dollars with a smaller heatsink but all the other pieces like RAM, SSD, power supply, mobo will cost the same in the slim as they currently do for the base PS5.

I had figured Sony would launch their Pro model for $599, but with the console already selling for $550 in europe, I just dont see a 2x more powerful console selling for anything under $700 and no one is releasing a console that expensive. They would need more RAM, higher bandwidth RAM, a bigger SSD and a way better cooling system. It will probably need to be $800 if they want to make it profitable.

 

[GhostOfTsu]

No point in using fake numbers, VGCharts just makes that stuff up.

This is a more credible source: https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/08/25...ation-5-console-due-to-soaring-inflation.html

Ampere Analysis estimates that Sony had sold 21 million PS5s worldwide compared to Microsoft’s Xbox Series consoles at 13.8 million.

We know PS5 is at 21.7 million, those estimate aren't far off.

I care about paying for quality and not wasting my money.






And with more PS5's available it'll keep gaping, as always.

We usually get threads when we have numbers. Are you guys worried this one is going to get locked?

 

[nominedomine]

What exactly makes Ampere more accurate then VGChartz? Is it because you find the numbers more appealing? Can you actually provide any evidence at all indicating Ampere is far more accurate?

Almost every single time Nintendo or Sony release sales numbers VGChartz is no more then a few percentage out of alignment which indicates to me that the tracking that they do is rather good.

But even if Ampere is accurate, that basically means a difference of 1.6:1. The PS4 and XBO at this point was something like 2.1:1.

You just don't seem to understand what VGChartz is, they'll go back and adjust numbers once official information is made public.

The difference at this point for the PS4 to XBO was not 2.1:1. The XBO had a strong start (despite all the bad PR) and then it fizzled out.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I don't live in the US and I barely know anyone who bought an xbox. Should we go that route? The US is a big market, but not planet Earth.

The only people who care about how many consoles sell on the other side of the world are suites counting money for each camp and people who want to console war

Sorry if I don't care how many Xbox are sold in the UAE it has no bearing on my gaming

Would be way different if no one was playing on platform x here then I too would avoid said platform

 

[Bo_Hazem]

The only people who care about how many consoles sell on the other side of the world are suites counting money for each camp and people who want to console war

Sorry if I don't care how many Xbox are sold in the UAE it has no bearing on my gaming

Would be way different if no one was playing on platform x here then I too would avoid said platform

ok

 

[nominedomine]

We usually get threads when we have numbers. Are you guys worried this one is going to get locked?

I'm not the person to create a thread about that. Ampere estimates are used all the time in the forum when talking about subscriptions (mostly by Xbox fans), in theory there would be no reason for a thread to be locked.

 

[TLZ]

Margins. The slim or Pro version would require a smaller node around 5nm and those are no longer cheaper like they were in the past. If we believe Sony and the cost of everything has gone up then the actual CPU/GPU chip would be where most of the savings would need to come from, and the switch to the 5nm is not going to allow that. At least not for a few years.

They might save a few dollars with a smaller heatsink but all the other pieces like RAM, SSD, power supply, mobo will cost the same in the slim as they currently do for the base PS5.

I had figured Sony would launch their Pro model for $599, but with the console already selling for $550 in europe, I just dont see a 2x more powerful console selling for anything under $700 and no one is releasing a console that expensive. They would need more RAM, higher bandwidth RAM, a bigger SSD and a way better cooling system. It will probably need to be $800 if they want to make it profitable.

Never thought of a Pro would happen this gen personally, but definitely a slim as it happened every gen since the PS1.

Let's see what they come up with.

 

[Zathalus]

You just don't seem to understand what VGChartz is, they'll go back and adjust numbers once official information is made public.

The difference at this point for the PS4 to XBO was not 2.1:1. The XBO had a strong start (despite all the bad PR) and then it fizzled out.

I check the numbers quite often and they are always extremely close to the official numbers, before any changes get made.

And no, XBO did have a strong start but it fizzled out before even a year had passed. At this same time frame PS4 had passed 25 million sold and all estimates for the Xbox One was around 12 million.

 

[nominedomine]

I check the numbers quite often and they are always extremely close to the official numbers, before any changes get made.

And no, XBO did have a strong start but it fizzled out before even a year had passed. At this same time frame PS4 had passed 25 million sold and all estimates for the Xbox One was around 12 million.

What official numbers? MS doesn't make any number of console sales public. Getting Nintendo and Sony numbers right is extremely easy because they have forecasts of expected sale that they try to stick to them, VGCharts would have to go out of their way to miss it by much when they have an opportunity to correct them all the time.

 

[Banjo64]

What exactly makes Ampere more accurate then VGChartz? Is it because you find the numbers more appealing? Can you actually provide any evidence at all indicating Ampere is far more accurate?

Almost every single time Nintendo or Sony release sales numbers VGChartz is no more then a few percentage out of alignment which indicates to me that the tracking that they do is rather good.

But even if Ampere is accurate, that basically means a difference of 1.6:1. The PS4 and XBO at this point was something like 2.1:1.

I think Ampere have actually been commissioned by the UK Gov for estimates before. I can’t say for sure but I’d imagine their methods were at least vetted for that.

 

[Dolodolo]

The only people who care about how many consoles sell on the other side of the world are suites counting money for each camp and people who want to console war

Sorry if I don't care how many Xbox are sold in the UAE it has no bearing on my gaming

Would be way different if no one was playing on platform x here then I too would avoid said platform

This is not a sincere statement.
If the gap between competitors narrows, then perhaps Uncle Phil will stop hanging noodles on his ears and start releasing those blockbusters that he announced back in 2020.

Therefore, gaps between console equipment are quite important.

 

[Zathalus]

What official numbers? MS doesn't make any number of console sales public.

The official numbers from Nintendo and Sony. VGchartz is very close before any official numbers are released by them.

So it would strike me as odd that while they are accurate at tracking Sony and Nintendo they would be so wrong when it comes to Microsoft.

 

[nominedomine]

The official numbers from Nintendo and Sony. VGchartz is very close before any official numbers are released by them.

So it would strike me as odd that while they are accurate at tracking Sony and Nintendo they would be so wrong when it comes to Microsoft.

Those are public numbers, how could they be too far off?

Xbox numbers aren't public, don't you get it?

 

[Zathalus]

Those are public numbers, how could they be too far off?

... before the public numbers are announced. Like VGchartz updates weekly, Sony and Nintendo do not. When the official numbers get announced VGChartz is nore then a few percentage points out of alignment.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

And yet the generation is already 2:1 for Sony. Dominance.

Nice fan warrior post in a thread about Sony increasing prices.

And you still got the ratio wrong. As others pointed out, you are using the wrong numbers and used the 2:1 court filing data regarding last gen thinking it was a PS5/Series ratio.

And now you're trying to take the real ratio and say you purposely meant to round up to 2:1 when the ratio based on estimate is about 1.5: 1.

LOL Calm down sales warrior.

 

[nominedomine]

... before the public numbers are announced. Like VGchartz updates weekly, Sony and Nintendo do not. When the official numbers get announced VGChartz is nore then a few percentage points out of alignment.

Again, there are projection of sales made by Nintendo and Sony themselves as well as many other info like sales in Japan, NA, etc. It's extremely easy to not be far off in the end when you have all that info. VGchartz method is just them guessing based on public info, that's why no one takes VGchartz seriously.

 

[NeonGhost]

 

[ArtHands]

Also in South East Asia

https://blog.playstation.com/2022/08/25/20220825-ps5/

• Singapore
  • PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-ray disc drive – SGD 799
  • PS5 Digital Edition – SGD 669

• Malaysia
  • PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-ray disc drive – MYR 2,499
  • PS5 Digital Edition – MYR 2,069
• Indonesia
  • PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-ray disc drive – IDR 9,699,000
  • PS5 Digital Edition – IDR 8,199,000
• Thailand
  • PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-ray disc drive – THB 18,690
  • PS5 Digital Edition – THB 15,690
• Philippines
  • PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-ray disc drive – PHP 30,790
• Vietnam
  • PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-ray disc drive – VND 15,990,000

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I think Ampere have actually been commissioned by the UK Gov for estimates before. I can’t say for sure but I’d imagine their methods were at least vetted for that.

Thanks for sharing. People expected a very close competition in sales this gen, yet it is closer to what happened last gen. By the time TLOU series hit, and GOW:R, and how availability is lately, Sony could sell way more this year than last 2 years.

 

[adamsapple]

USA
USA
USA

Also in South East Asia

Thanks for having our back, rest of the world !

 

[EverydayBeast]

God put Sony on earth to make consoles now there’s no excuses.

 

[tommib]

God put Sony on earth to make consoles now there’s no excuses.

It’s absolutely impossible to guess what you’re going to write next. Total adrenaline rush.

 

[NickFire]

This is not 2:1

Granted I am 55 years old and my math is slipping but 2:1 means double does it not?

A little bit younger, but 2:1 still means double.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Jim, I was already giving you peace because of the movie Gravity Rush, the peace didn't last long.

When will the price increase in Mexico?

And I'll be honest, I was thinking of buying it at the end of October.

 

[Halo is Back]

It’s absolutely impossible to guess what you’re going to write next. Total adrenaline rush.

Sometimes I think he is an AI

 

[Topher]

Sometimes I think he is an AI

But doesn't the I in AI stand for "intelligence"?

Sorry EverydayBeast I had to

 

[reksveks]

The bad maths here is quite funny

 

[ComputerBlue]

I love this song!

 

[PropellerEar]

Thanks for sharing. People expected a very close competition in sales this gen, yet it is closer to what happened last gen. By the time TLOU series hit, and is a premium vonsole GOW:R, and how availability is lately, Sony could sell way more this year than last 2 years.

This

Gap(global) is slow but steady moving towards 2:1, early gen supply problems have benefitted Xbox.
Xbox is already discounted at places and available from stores, while PS5 is sold out constantly.

GP has stagnated.
PS+ currently clearly better offering.

TLOU 1
GoW:R
PS VR2

Sony is soon coming with a PlayStation showcase and will show the Industry once again, how it is done.
In EU nobody will still pick up Xbox, PS5 is the clear premium choice, 50€ price hike won't matter at all.

 

[Rykan]

Tell that to people defending this move like they are besties with Sony.

Nobody here is "defending" the move. People are commenting on it or explaining why this is a logical step from Sony's perspective.

 

[Zathalus]

Thanks for sharing. People expected a very close competition in sales this gen, yet it is closer to what happened last gen. By the time TLOU series hit, and GOW:R, and how availability is lately, Sony could sell way more this year than last 2 years.

Even Ampere is not expecting a blow out and predicted 1.5:1 all the way to end of 2024.

 

[Eddie-Griffin]

When did Sega, SNK and NEC have officially increase the MSRP price of an existing console SKU at the same time across most markets of the World?

The PS5 raised prices in "most markets" of the world???

That's also not what the guy asked.

 

[GHG]

Seems like almost every tech company is doing this, as a business, at any stage, you need to pivot when necessary, reorganise, and always look for ways to increase efficiency;

https://layoffstracker.com/

Or you can pass the increased cost to your customers (would be interesting if Sony reports record next quarter in terms of profit.

Btw. Sony was ahead of everyone on this starting in April with layoffs but still greed won and now they increase prices
https://gamerant.com/sony-lays-off-90-playstation-employees-retail-digital-sales/

You know, if you guys spent more time reading (in gereral as well) and less time just replying this place would be better off for it.

Sony should have fired more people (or cut R&D for that poxy controller, or eaten the cost) but here we are.

 

[SmurfMustard]

Not confused. 21.7/2 = 10.9. How far is it from 13.9? It's an easy round up. Soon enough, we wouldn't need to round up as it'll become a reality with how many PS5's are flooding the market. Compare that to PS4/XB1 era and that's how it panned out.

I really hope you're not a math teacher.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I really hope you're not a math teacher.

The guy tried to list war a 2:1 ratio using the wrong data. He used the court case last gen 2:1 statement thinking it meant current gen.

He got called out on it and then tried to do a 180 saying he meant to round up 1.5 to 2.

Then he says his claim of 2:1 will be true if everyone waits a few years.

Hey, give him credit for trying to trick and persuade the forum.

 

[Loxus]

Margins. The slim or Pro version would require a smaller node around 5nm and those are no longer cheaper like they were in the past. If we believe Sony and the cost of everything has gone up then the actual CPU/GPU chip would be where most of the savings would need to come from, and the switch to the 5nm is not going to allow that. At least not for a few years.

They might save a few dollars with a smaller heatsink but all the other pieces like RAM, SSD, power supply, mobo will cost the same in the slim as they currently do for the base PS5.

I had figured Sony would launch their Pro model for $599, but with the console already selling for $550 in europe, I just dont see a 2x more powerful console selling for anything under $700 and no one is releasing a console that expensive. They would need more RAM, higher bandwidth RAM, a bigger SSD and a way better cooling system. It will probably need to be $800 if they want to make it profitable.

I remembered when the PS5 Pro rumors first came out, I listed what I think the Pro model specs would be like and I had it priced at $800 too.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Even these numbers in my book are not 2:1

Not sure how you do math my friend but 2:1 means double to me anyhow

Maybe I misunderstand what 2:1 means

I wasn't a part of this conversation between you and Bo_Hazem , but I think he meant that PS4 was outselling Xbox by a ratio 1.4 around this time frame. The end result was more than 2:1. PS5 is outselling Xbox X|S by a ratio of almost 1.6. So the end gap is pacing to be even bigger than 2:1.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I wasn't a part of this conversation between you and Bo_Hazem , but I think he meant that PS4 was outselling Xbox by a ratio 1.4 around this time frame. The end result was more than 2:1. PS5 is outselling Xbox X|S by a ratio of almost 1.6. So the end gap is pacing to be even bigger than 2:1.

Possibly

But he defended his position with numbers that didn't add up and trusts his site that uses "estimates" over another site that uses "estimates"

Its totally possible thats how the numbers will end up eventually but sorry I feel he 100% dropped that 2:1 to poke people and then couldn't back up his claim

I like Bo, I have spoken often with him off these boards but he knew what he was doing

 

[reksveks]

I wasn't a part of this conversation between you and Bo_Hazem , but I think he meant that PS4 was outselling Xbox by a ratio 1.4 around this time frame. The end result was more than 2:1. PS5 is outselling Xbox X|S by a ratio of almost 1.6. So the end gap is pacing to be even bigger than 2:1.

The comparison to the previous gen looks very debatable on IBF

User 1

• PS4 20M, XB1 11-12M : 1.8-1.7:1
• PS5 21M, XSX 13.8M : 1.4-1

User 2 using:

- 18.5m sold through as of 4th January 2015
(1.7m in 2 months)
- 20.2m sold through as of 1st March 2015
30.2 as of 22nd November 2015

• PS4: 23m, XB1 11.5m: 2:1
• PS5: 21m, XSX 14m 1.5:1

Obviously caveating that PS5 is supplied constrained.

 

[jasondefaoite]

Also in South East Asia

• Singapore
  • PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-ray disc drive – SGD 799
  • PS5 Digital Edition – SGD 669

Jokes on Sony. There is zero stock in Singapore to sell.

I guess Sony seeing people pay over the odds from scalpers so they can get their hands on a PS5 made them realise the market was willing to pay more. Unfortunately.

 

[Celine]

The PS5 raised prices in "most markets" of the world???

Europe
PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-ray disc drive – €549.99
PS5 Digital Edition – €449.99
UK
PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-ray disc drive – £479.99
PS5 Digital Edition – £389.99
Japan (effective Sept. 15, 2022)
PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-ray disc drive – ¥54,980 yen
PS5 Digital Edition – ¥44,980 yen
China
PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-ray disc drive – ¥4,299 yuan
PS5 Digital Edition – ¥3,499 yuan
Australia
PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-ray disc drive – AUD $799.95
PS5 Digital Edition – AUD $649.95
Mexico
PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-ray disc drive – MXN $14,999
PS5 Digital Edition – MXN $12,499
Canada
PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-ray disc drive – CAD $649.99
PS5 Digital Edition – CAD $519.99
Singapore
PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-ray disc drive – SGD 799
PS5 Digital Edition – SGD 669
Malaysia
PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-ray disc drive – MYR 2,499
PS5 Digital Edition – MYR 2,069
Indonesia
PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-ray disc drive – IDR 9,699,000
PS5 Digital Edition – IDR 8,199,000
Thailand
PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-ray disc drive – THB 18,690
PS5 Digital Edition – THB 15,690
Philippines
PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-ray disc drive – PHP 30,790
Vietnam
PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-ray disc drive – VND 15,990,000

*Select markets in EMEA, APAC, and LATAM not listed above may also receive price increases. Please check with your local retailer.

That's also not what the guy asked.

Then cases in which Sega, SNK and NEC have officially increase the MSRP price of an existing console SKU?

 

[SmokedMeat]

This isn't accurate. N64 games started at $59.99 in 1996. There might have been a rare one at $49, but the majority were $60.

They were all $80 where I live. The high cost of cartridges and the memory used in them.