TheUndeadGamer
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Has heard more about PS6 than a PS5 Pro
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Tom Henderson: Uncertain if PS5 Pro will happen this gen. PS5 with detachable drive might just be a “gen 2” or Regular PS5
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Has heard more about PS6 than a PS5 Pro
Please close if old and not pro.
Edit: Can mod change or to of in thread title. Thanks.
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
Look at technical state of Forspoken, a brand new PS5 exclusive. We don't need a PS5 Pro, we need better developers.
ExcitableBoy
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We don’t need a pro.
The ps4 pro was because of 4k taking off.
8k ain’t happening.
The ps4 pro was because of 4k taking off.
8k ain’t happening.
Ronin_7
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Mephisto40
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I don't think Sony would want to gimp their system with 2 SKU's after the original model has only just become freely available and after seeing how people are complaining about the series S holding the series X back
I mean other than making RT available at 60fps, what else are they actually going to be able to manage this gen?
I mean other than making RT available at 60fps, what else are they actually going to be able to manage this gen?
Azurro
Banned
Facts.
We need a Single PS5 SKU, tons of games and themes / Folders
We definitely need a PS5 Pro for the niche that wants more performance but still in a console ecosystem.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Just get the ps6 out in like 3 to 4 years that's fully BC and let's get used to more incremental upgrades like phones but nit nearly as often.
Haint
Member
An RX7000/RDNA3 based APU certainly wouldn't be worth it as it'd at best deliver a bit over 2x the performance of a PS5 given the price and power envelope required of a console. Still couldn't dream of running the meaningful RT effects at high resolutions and/or high frame rates. An RX8000 based APU (late 2024 at earliest) could perhaps reach around 3x a PS5 with more meaningful RT gains. That's so late however that both Sony and customers alike would probably prefer to wait for a PS6 (which is gonna be another cross-gen box the first 2-3 years regardless).
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Benniewise de Clown
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PS4 Pro was released to boost PSVR performance, but due to small VR-installbase it was sold as a general upgrade to the masses.
Xbox One X was a reaction from MS to not fall behind in performance.
Those are no guarantee for "Pro"-versions this gen.
Xbox One X was a reaction from MS to not fall behind in performance.
Those are no guarantee for "Pro"-versions this gen.
Stuart360
Member
With games probably having quality and performance modes through this whole gen, what would a Pro version even offer?, better ray tracing?.
There have been barely any proper next gen games yet, and its not wise to use Forspoken as some kinf of benchmark as that game is just badly optimized.
Honestly check the new DF vid on Forspoken, and how its using so many last gen features. They even compare the game to FF15 which looks better graphically, and at one point they compare the game to AC: Unity, and its shocking how much better Unity looks.
One badly made game doesnt mean we need pro consoles.
There have been barely any proper next gen games yet, and its not wise to use Forspoken as some kinf of benchmark as that game is just badly optimized.
Honestly check the new DF vid on Forspoken, and how its using so many last gen features. They even compare the game to FF15 which looks better graphically, and at one point they compare the game to AC: Unity, and its shocking how much better Unity looks.
One badly made game doesnt mean we need pro consoles.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Good. I don't like the idea of pro consoles. These selling well would only lead to smartphonetization of the market with new consoles too often.
The problem is dev time. on 360/ps3, devs could release whole trilogies or more. Gears1-3, Mass effect 1-3, Uc1,2,3,tlou and so on. Each game looking better and better.
Now with 4-6 dev times, the time to learn console is so long, that by the time they release the game, a new console or pro comes out.
On the other hand, consoles are very easy to work with nowadays.
I personally don't think there is a need for PRO. These consoles need to see some games well optimized on them. They have good CPUs, decent GPUs and amazing IO.
There is not much you could to to double the power output, while keeping the price reasonable and wattage around 200-250watts. On PC market side, power comes with WATTage nowadays. Cpus can be up to 300w, and GPUS start at 300w.
And the consoles are difficult to produce and hard to source chips. So slim makes much more sense than PRO.
We can still have 60fps games even on switch. It's all a dev choice.
The problem is dev time. on 360/ps3, devs could release whole trilogies or more. Gears1-3, Mass effect 1-3, Uc1,2,3,tlou and so on. Each game looking better and better.
Now with 4-6 dev times, the time to learn console is so long, that by the time they release the game, a new console or pro comes out.
On the other hand, consoles are very easy to work with nowadays.
I personally don't think there is a need for PRO. These consoles need to see some games well optimized on them. They have good CPUs, decent GPUs and amazing IO.
There is not much you could to to double the power output, while keeping the price reasonable and wattage around 200-250watts. On PC market side, power comes with WATTage nowadays. Cpus can be up to 300w, and GPUS start at 300w.
And the consoles are difficult to produce and hard to source chips. So slim makes much more sense than PRO.
We can still have 60fps games even on switch. It's all a dev choice.
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Ronin_7
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Yeah even if just for people to complaining about the price.
Remember people want high end shit but then complaint it's expensive lmao
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
It's still not "easy" for some people to get a PS5, we just had a big GOTY winner/contender release on PS4, and people are already talking about pro models. Complete insanity. Playstation have barely fucking even begun their own generation.
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Lucifers Beard
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Not really interested in a pro console to be honest. There is plenty of power here, developers just need to work with it properly.
Daniel_Mallorca1985
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supernova8
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Lol posting some bollocks from a twitter user with ..... 3 followers!
Daniel_Mallorca1985
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Has heard more about PS6 than a PS5 Pro
Please close if old and not pro.
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"As for if the new PS5 looks like the old one; I think so. I don't think there are any radical changes there tbh."
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HeisenbergFX4
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PS4 Pro was made because Sony had internal stats that showed about half way through the life of a console people were migrating to PCs when new hardware came out so the Pro was basically just giving people a new toy.
It was all about the bottom line keeping people in the ecosystem and buying more games, nothing more
hinch7
Member
That's pretty obvious. A PS5.5 refresh doesn't make sense when there's still massive demand for the PS5. Assuming Sony did decide to release a 'PS5 Pro' the node shrink gap just isn't there to justify the performance to cost and RDNA 3 isn't massively more performant than previous gen. Unless they are/were going to release a $650+ console.
Better off ride out this gen a few/several more years with a single cost effective SKU and addon. Then release a PS6 with specs that vastly outdoes the PS5 - using Zen 5/RDNA 4 (or latest arch+features)+GDDR7.
Better off ride out this gen a few/several more years with a single cost effective SKU and addon. Then release a PS6 with specs that vastly outdoes the PS5 - using Zen 5/RDNA 4 (or latest arch+features)+GDDR7.
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TrebleShot
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Day one on PC and you don't have need the pros.
As much as I prefer my PS5 the flexibility and power of PC is hard to ignore once you try it.
As much as I prefer my PS5 the flexibility and power of PC is hard to ignore once you try it.
ManaByte
Member
Both were made because the generation launched with underpowered Jaguar CPUs. That's not a problem this gen.
HTK
Banned
I have a $3,500 PC and I still game on my PS5. It's about the entire experience not just pushing pixels and frames.
TrebleShot
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Punished Miku
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I'll never buy a pro console unless my console dies. Waste of money.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Thats a moot point, thats an issue any gen.
Time marches forward, tech continues to advance, no system is future proof lol
ManaByte
Member
The PS4/XBO CPU was underpowered for 2013 when it launched.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
and PS5 and Series X are underpowered now....
Time marches forward.
The reason for a Pro then would be the same for a Pro now. New tech and a market that is willing to pay extra.
Thats it...
Stuart360
The deep lolz, ohhh my sweet summer child, they are not providing something you "need" they are making something someone wants.Enough have already stated they want a Pro to justify one existing by either company at this point, using this crazy ass logic, why make new series of GPUs? I mean shit, nothing came out that maxed those cards out right? We don't even fucking have exclusive AAA PC games and they are making new GPU after new GPU, cause someone wants it, someone demands it, thus the market supplies.
Thats it. So we are just as likely to see those Pros and I'd say the chip shortage would be the only thing that is really hurting this lol
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3liteDragon
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Pretty much what I said before, the base PS5’s been barely utilized & the last thing we need is another console added to the current-gen SDK, rather have the PS6 7-8 years later. Unnecessary.
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Ronin_7
Member
They can barely produce Xs, let alone do a mid Gen refresh. They already have 2 SKUs on the market, 3 would be overkill.
I can see a mid Gen refresh from Sony but Xbox? Yeah 1% chance, they're pushing SS these days not X.
DeepEnigma
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> Has heard news
> Doesn't share news
So much to discuss! /s
> Doesn't share news
So much to discuss! /s
Aenima
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Lol, if demand was a problem.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I think demand has leveled off as I am seeing them in stores all over the place and over the weekend a Best Buy near Louisville KY had a ton of them sitting on a display on the floor and stacked 4 deep on a wall behind customer service
Aenima
Member
Not in my country. Here you still need to place an order online and wait a few weeks untill it arrives. But is better than a few months ago where it was impossible to place any orders.
Sony increased alot the supply since last October or so, but the demand is still there even with a price increase in Europe. Only when the demand starts dropping much more than the supply we will see any kind of price drops.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Same, I'm trying to see where
HeisenbergFX4
live at so I can get another PS5 lol I'm looking to buy one for my sister next month.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Funny enough breaking "news" from a China outlet reporting the PS5 Pro is releasing THIS April
Klosshufvud
Member
PS5 Pro won't happen. Unlike PS4, PS5 isn't specced like a charity third-world tablet. There is no need for a PS5 Pro. PS5 games hold up pretty well against mid-range PCs. Something the PS4 could not boast with even from launch.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
Why do we need folders? We have Game Lists which are effectively more functional folders. We just need to be able to pin them to the home bar.Facts.
We need a Single PS5 SKU, tons of games and themes / Folders
Definitely not required this gen. The tools to take advantage of the new hardware setup are barely out of r&d stage. There's a lot of headroom left in these consoles.
It also doesn't make sense from a risk standpoint with a looming (or already starting) recession. They need to get the prices down and streamline production, not launch a premium product.
It also doesn't make sense from a risk standpoint with a looming (or already starting) recession. They need to get the prices down and streamline production, not launch a premium product.
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