it's a good listen
The DF weekly has a really interesting conversation at the 1 hour 4 minute mark about teraflops where Richard admits the whole conversation just blew up in its face regarding the PS5 vs Series X
The DF weekly has a really interesting conversation at the 1 hour 4 minute mark about teraflops where Richard admits the whole conversation just blew up in its face regarding the PS5 vs Series X
The DF weekly has a really interesting conversation at the 1 hour 4 minute mark about teraflops where Richard admits the whole conversation just blew up in its face regarding the PS5 vs Series X
I wonder what changed?The DF weekly has a really interesting conversation at the 1 hour 4 minute mark about teraflops where Richard admits the whole conversation just blew up in its face regarding the PS5 vs Series X
Idk but it's definitely shocking to hear... hmmm you know what it could be a
to Sony for an exclusive on the pro
Or, TF is not going to be "the whole story," if the 5Pro has a higher TF number. I mean, we always knew that it wasn't, the results were speaking for themselves, but conveniently now he's come around.Idk but it's definitely shocking to hear... hmmm you know what it could be a
Alright, why didn't Sony put 4GB of DDR4 for the OS on PS5?
None of us know.
Fair warning lolThe DF weekly has a really interesting conversation at the 1 hour 4 minute mark about teraflops where Richard admits the whole conversation just blew up in its face regarding the PS5 vs Series X
Depending on the Pro frequency,the paper specs means it should be as fast as the RTX 4070 non TI.
Of course no one knows for sure but based on the most credible leaks (the 60 CU GPU that is likely based on the upcoming RX 7800), we can extrapolate a little based on the rumored 7800 performance. In that case, a 7900 XTX is estimated to be roughly 40-50% faster than the 7800 (non XT). Also, that'll put the 7900 XT at ~20% faster.
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Almost 18 tf how'd you arrive at that clock?
typo 2.23*
Gonna need some proof of that. And even if that was the case, 12,5GB still seems low for the amount of visual features (specially RT) and simulations that current-gen games are pushing, go ask any developer if they wouldn't mind having a few extra GB available to work on. The SSD is overkill, the CPU is decent, the GPU is good, the RAM is lacking on both quantity and bandwidth, go ask any dev around and they'll tell you the same .
60 CUs with 6 CUs disabled. So 54 CUs. Thats 15.4 tflops.
Nah, thats way too optimistic if you are going by this leak.Of course no one knows for sure but based on the most credible leaks (the 60 CU GPU that is likely based on the upcoming RX 7800), we can extrapolate a little based on the rumored 7800 performance. In that case, a 7900 XTX is estimated to be roughly 40-50% faster than the 7800 (non XT). Also, that'll put the 7900 XT at ~20% faster.
In general, this version of the PS5 Pro GPU should be somewhere between a 6900 XT and a 6960 XT (or a 3080 Ti on NV side). Again, Sony can still do a lot with customization and we don't have what the final clocks will be or how many CUs may be disabled for yields. But this is a general ballpark based on what we know now.
Source: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7800.c3839
I'd say the PS5 Pro is basically a 7700XT.60 CUs with 6 CUs disabled. So 54 CUs. Thats 15.4 tflops.
They could get to 17 tflops if they hit 2.5 GHz which is possible on the 7nm cards, so should be possible in a console sized 54 CU GPU built on 5nm chips.
Nah, thats way too optimistic if you are going by this leak.
Even if you get a full 60 CU GPU running at 2.23 GHz, thats still 17 tflops. So somewhere between a 16 tflops 6800 and 20 tflops 6800xt.
For them to end up between a 6900xt and 6900xt they have to hit 22 tflops and they are not gonna get there with a 54 or even a 60 CU GPU in a console. Maybe if it was 72 CUs, but that doesnt seem to be happening.
The small 576 GBps vram bandwidth tells us that sony is looking for a modest increase in computing power. Remember on consoles, that bandwidth is shared with the CPU and will not be enough for 4k 60 fps on big AAA titles.
Lets just pray for an IPC increase because if its just RDNA 3.0 and 30 WGPs, you arent even getting a 20 tflops 6800xt, let alone something between a 6900xt and 6950xt.
Doubt they would hit 2.6 Ghz in a console though.I'd say the PS5 Pro is basically a 7700XT.
I'd agree but using a 256bit bus (and probably no GPU L3 cache). But the last thing we don't know is the clocks. Remember that for Ariel they initially made all their native tests at 2ghz but then clocked the retail console at 2.23ghz. I think we'll probably have a nice surprise here.
With dynamic clocks they certainly could. For reference the 5700 has a game clock of only 1.623ghz and can be only luckily overclocked to 2ghz or so on PC. Here the 7700XT has an official game clock of 2.6ghz, which is I think the floor for PS5 Pro GPU clocks.
I can see them going for around the game clock.
Do you believe the Pro is going to have 128 ROPs? With the 3 SEs, I'd assume the ROPs would be 96 and clocked minimally at 2.23 GHz.I'd say the PS5 Pro is basically a 7700XT.
Easier to feed 96 ROPs than 128.
Second I heard him saying `i dont know what this console is for or who its for`... I stopped watching.
It's almost like he's trying to feed a certain base or social media war narratives. Trying too hard.
Dude I posted the source for why the PS4 Pro has that 1GB of RAM. Are you say Sony themselves don't know what they did?
60 CUs with 6 CUs disabled. So 54 CUs. Thats 15.4 tflops.
They could get to 17 tflops if they hit 2.5 GHz which is possible on the 7nm cards, so should be possible in a console sized 54 CU GPU built on 5nm chips.
Nah, thats way too optimistic if you are going by this leak.
Even if you get a full 60 CU GPU running at 2.23 GHz, thats still 17 tflops. So somewhere between a 16 tflops 6800 and 20 tflops 6800xt.
For them to end up between a 6900xt and 6900xt they have to hit 22 tflops and they are not gonna get there with a 54 or even a 60 CU GPU in a console. Maybe if it was 72 CUs, but that doesnt seem to be happening.
The small 576 GBps vram bandwidth tells us that sony is looking for a modest increase in computing power. Remember on consoles, that bandwidth is shared with the CPU and will not be enough for 4k 60 fps on big AAA titles.
Lets just pray for an IPC increase because if its just RDNA 3.0 and 30 WGPs, you arent even getting a 20 tflops 6800xt, let alone something between a 6900xt and 6950xt.
I get what you're saying but in reality faster storage doesn't make up for the lack of total available memory, sure I can swap out 12,5GB fast enough, but what if I wanna have more than 12,5GB worth of data at a given time? I simply can't.
One thing Richard did bring up was Cernys checkerboard chip in the pro. Cerny should put in a next Gen checkerboard chip but this time use dlss style machine learning instead. I don’t trust amd to have their rt fixed by next year and i doubt Sony would allow them to increase the size of the die to have dedicated rt cores like nvidia anyway. But a separate chip to do a dlss pass like he had for his checkerboard solution might be way more important than a few extra tflops . Even a 15 tflops gpu could be in par with a 20 tflops 6800xt if it supports dlss2.0 caliber upscaling.
Yeah I've got cringe shivers every time heard 8k ;d
I think that site is doing the 7700XT as having 4 Shader Engines, with 16CUs (8WGP) per Shader Engine.
The funny thing is that there is already matrix or Ml hardware in the RDNA3 GPU. They even have an AI accelerator to manage them too. But somehow, they do not use it.
I mean it's all fun speculation for now but everything I've been hearing for the past year indicates that a 2x increase in GPU perf is the target. If it's only a 7700XT/3080 level, then that is nowhere near a 2x increase from the current PS5 GPU (~RX6700/6650XT). For that reason, I'll think we will see something at least closer to a RX6900XT although I can see how the 7700XT as a model makes sense.60 CUs with 6 CUs disabled. So 54 CUs. Thats 15.4 tflops.
They could get to 17 tflops if they hit 2.5 GHz which is possible on the 7nm cards, so should be possible in a console sized 54 CU GPU built on 5nm chips.
Nah, thats way too optimistic if you are going by this leak.
Even if you get a full 60 CU GPU running at 2.23 GHz, thats still 17 tflops. So somewhere between a 16 tflops 6800 and 20 tflops 6800xt.
For them to end up between a 6900xt and 6900xt they have to hit 22 tflops and they are not gonna get there with a 54 or even a 60 CU GPU in a console. Maybe if it was 72 CUs, but that doesnt seem to be happening.
The small 576 GBps vram bandwidth tells us that sony is looking for a modest increase in computing power. Remember on consoles, that bandwidth is shared with the CPU and will not be enough for 4k 60 fps on big AAA titles.
Lets just pray for an IPC increase because if its just RDNA 3.0 and 30 WGPs, you arent even getting a 20 tflops 6800xt, let alone something between a 6900xt and 6950xt.
