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Help I feel violated by Microsoft

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adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Topher said:
has anyone checked on adamsapple adamsapple today?

Rubbing Season 3 GIF by The Simpsons
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Travelling to Seattle as I speak. :messenger_neutral:

Actually just got off a 14 hr flight, shit just popped off today, every leaker is saying s different game.
 
Interfectum

Interfectum

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Montauk said:
In all seriousness, Xbox either bringing exclusives to PlayStation or exiting the hardware business will genuinely be bad for competition and the medium.

Sony is already too dominant, leading to some complacency and arrogance on their part. For their own good, and gamers own good, we need Sony to have a strong competitor.

This is all so frustrating. The way Microsoft have botched Xbox since the Xbox One reveal is just maddening.
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Valve could fill the void if they'd ship a small form factor PC with Steam OS3 installed. Perfect chance to get Steam on the living room TV and entice pissed of Xfans to come over immediately.
 
RedPyramidHead

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I'm not a Sony Pony or an Xbot. I'm someone who stupidly bought all of the consoles thinking there would potentially be exclusive things to each console that would make them worth having, well thanks to both MS doing what they're currently doing and Sony sending most of their crap to PC, I have two expensive mostly pointless redundant paperweights. This generation of consoles fucking blow. Should've just bought the Switch and gamed on my PC.
 
Coulomb_Barrier

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RickMasters said:
those options are all already available with xbox present in the market..... so what you say makes no sense at all.
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I'm saying the gaming market historically has more options than ever for ways to play games, and more platforms, even if MS no longer sells their dying console. Back in the 90s I had a Sega Master system, the only alternative to that was the NES and maybe one other piece of hardware that wasn't PC.

Similarly there were only a handful of options during the N64 era. The landscape always shifts and changes. We always hear the same crap every time MS exiting the console space is brought up, how it will be 'really bad for everyone' but these responses all stem as an emotional response to the idea, a reaction to essentially being butt-hurt that MS will 'lose' the console war so let's put it out there that we 'all lose'. Come on.

There's just as much chance the PS6/Switch 2 generation will be a Golden Generation as much as it will be a bad one.
 
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jshackles

jshackles

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Dusktildawn48 said:
So what's gonna stop Sony from charging $90 per game, $100 per controller, and $800 for PS6?
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In all honesty, PS5 consoles were severely undervalued at launch. The fact that so many sold for over MSRP from scalpers (for years) means Sony left money on the table. They finally got enough units manufactured that they were able to stabilize the price, but they could have just as easily raised the MRSP to $600 or even $800 while putting out a steady supply, simply due to market demand. My guess is that the only reason they didn't is because of Microsoft and Nintendo.
 
RoadHazard

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The wording might be a bit questionable, but I kinda get it. You purchased an Xbox on the promise that that's the only console where you'd be able to play the games they make. Changing that is a betrayal of sorts.
 
Dusktildawn48

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jshackles said:
In all honesty, PS5 consoles were severely undervalued at launch. The fact that so many sold for over MSRP from scalpers (for years) means Sony left money on the table. They finally got enough units manufactured that they were able to stabilize the price, but they could have just as easily raised the MRSP to $600 or even $800 while putting out a steady supply, simply due to market demand. My guess is that the only reason they didn't is because of Microsoft and Nintendo.
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Exactly. Time will tell but I don't think it'll be a positive outcome for gamers.
 
Topher

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jshackles said:
In all honesty, PS5 consoles were severely undervalued at launch. The fact that so many sold for over MSRP from scalpers (for years) means Sony left money on the table. They finally got enough units manufactured that they were able to stabilize the price, but they could have just as easily raised the MRSP to $600 or even $800 while putting out a steady supply, simply due to market demand. My guess is that the only reason they didn't is because of Microsoft and Nintendo.
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That's what I was saying earlier. Console prices could be affected without competition, but I don't see it doing anything to game prices.
 
RoadHazard

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jshackles said:
In all honesty, PS5 consoles were severely undervalued at launch. The fact that so many sold for over MSRP from scalpers (for years) means Sony left money on the table. They finally got enough units manufactured that they were able to stabilize the price, but they could have just as easily raised the MRSP to $600 or even $800 while putting out a steady supply, simply due to market demand. My guess is that the only reason they didn't is because of Microsoft and Nintendo.
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They haven't? A PS5 is around 7,000 SEK in Sweden these days, which is about $660 USD. Yeah, there has been inflation, but not that much more in Sweden than the US I think.
 
Shakka43

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RedPyramidHead said:
I'm not a Sony Pony or an Xbot. I'm someone who stupidly bought all of the consoles thinking there would potentially be exclusive things to each console that would make them worth having, well thanks to both MS doing what they're currently doing and Sony sending most of their crap to PC, I have two expensive mostly pointless redundant paperweights. This generation of consoles fucking blow. Should've just bought the Switch and gamed on my PC.
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If only there was a way to sell those paperweights forward to cover that Switch purchase...
 
IDKFA

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
We need an avatar bet page on if Microsoft are going full third-party or just a few select titles.

I think just a few select titles. I just can't see them dropping out completely.
 
jshackles

jshackles

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
RoadHazard said:
They haven't? A PS5 is around 7,000 SEK in Sweden these days, which is about $660 USD. Yeah, there has been inflation, but not that much more in Sweden than the US I think.
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They're still $499 in Uncle Sam Bucks / Dollarydoos here.

The problem is that up until last year, they were almost impossible to find in any retail store, leading online scalpers to set up bots to buy all the stock from online marketplaces instantly, which they could then turn around and sell on the secondhand market for a markup. At first, they were going for about $1200 each. Now I see them all the time when going into Walmart or Costco here, but that wasn't normal until about 8 months ago.
 
Sethbacca

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RedPyramidHead said:
well thanks to both MS doing what they're currently doing and Sony sending most of their crap to PC
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Sony sending stuff to PC after one or two years is a non issue for most of us that want to play new shit day and date. Most gamers aren't patient enough to wait years for a game to hit PC. Why spend thousands on a gaming pc to wait to play years old games. I’ve never understood this mentality myself.

MS going day and date with PC is a big part of what fucked them imo.
 
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JohnnyFootball

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Mowcno said:
Less exclusive software will result in less sales of the hardware. Less sales of the hardware will result in it having a lower priority to both MS and third parties. Lower priority by the companies that support it mean an inferior product. It's pretty simple why people who enjoy gaming on xbox hardware view this as a negative.
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I hate to tell you this, but Xbox has already hit rock bottom in terms of sales.

The simple fact of the matter is that Xbox did this to themselves. They had piss poor leadership, no real goals, invested heavily in a subscription service that was always risky and is coming at a time when people are cancelling subscriptions. It was a mind boggling bad decision.
 
RoadHazard

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jshackles said:
They're still $499 in Uncle Sam Bucks / Dollarydoos here.

The problem is that up until last year, they were almost impossible to find in any retail store, leading online scalpers to set up bots to buy all the stock from online marketplaces instantly, which they could then turn around and sell on the secondhand market for a markup. At first, they were going for about $1200 each. Now I see them all the time when going into Walmart or Costco here, but that wasn't normal until about 8 months ago.
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The Swedish price of course includes 25% VAT as well, if you remove that you get $528 which I guess is a more fair comparison and not that far off the US MSRP.
 
JohnnyFootball

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Sethbacca said:
Sony sending stuff to PC after one or two years is a non issue for most of us that want to play new shit day and date. Most gamers aren't patient enough to wait years for a game to hit PC. Why spend thousands on a gaming pc to wait to play years old games. I’ve never understood this mentality myself.

MS going day and date with PC is a big part of what fucked them imo.
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No kidding. I bought Spiderman 2 on PS5 knowing full well it will come to PC in a year or two. Why? because I wanted to play it now. If I want to play it again down the line, I will likely play it on PC.
 
Ar¢tos

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Dusktildawn48 said:
So what's gonna stop Sony from charging $90 per game, $100 per controller, and $800 for PS6?
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Consumers pressure, PC competition.
The higher the price the smaller is the pool of people that can afford it and Sony needs install bases because hardware doesn't make profit, software does.
They will still be forced to launch an affordable product and subsidise at launch.
Same with games, if they go too far with prices, they won't sell enough to see returns, most people will wait for price drops. They also can only control the prices of their games, not of 3rd parties, and they only release one AAA game per year and it's usually a boring walking simulator with ultra forced emotional content that everybody can live without.
 
Dusktildawn48

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Ar¢tos said:
Consumers pressure, PC competition.
The higher the price the smaller is the pool of people that can afford it and Sony needs install bases because hardware doesn't make profit, software does.
They will still be forced to launch an affordable product and subsidise at launch.
Same with games, if they go too far with prices, they won't sell enough to see returns, most people will wait for price drops. They also can only control the prices of their games, not of 3rd parties, and they only release one AAA game per year and it's usually a boring walking simulator with ultra forced emotional content that everybody can live without.
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I guess you're a little more optimistic than me. Remember when microtransactions were like $3? Now they're $25 and they still sell like crazy.
 
Sethbacca

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HeWhoWalks said:
I’m aware, but you’re talking about original pricing, not when it moved back to $70 three years ago.
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Fair I guess, but your question was "With what games in past gens?". I just pointed out that it was happening like 30 years ago, in that gen.
 
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