spons
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Phil Spencer: announcement this week
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MisterXDTV
Member
This is why I keep saying they can't have a foot in both camps...
You can't be third party and then expect people to fund your platform like you were first-party
They have to choose
DJ12
Member
Nah bro, valve don't release any games these days so nothing for Microsoft to ruin.PC Players:
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Porn had NOTHING to do with the HD-DVD/Bluray format war. nothing. Not a thing.
You are getting it confused with the Betamax/VHS format war. Porn had a huge impact on format war which chose VHS, despite being lower quality than Beta.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Funny thing I have never seen Aaron in the private Discords where those Xbox people (and others) go to hang out and actually play games and not worry about fielding questions
Can decide for yourself what that means
MisterXDTV
Member
And that's wrong...
The format war with HD-DVD ended when Warner Bros picked BD in 2008. Nothing to do with Disney or porn
DJ12
Member
I think they can, but not as is.
They would have to completely remove themselves from PlayStations market. Expensive pc hybrid console, maybe twice the cost as a PlayStation.
Defiantly more niche and not mads market but will have value away from PlayStation and wouldn't have to be sold at a loss.
DJ12
Member
Funny thing I have never seen Aaron in the private Discords where those Xbox people (and others) go to hang out and actually play games and not worry about fielding questions
Can decide for yourself what that means
Skifi28
Member
The specifically gave people an entire week for crazy speculation and doomsaying. I say it's working as intended.
skit_data
Member
That's true to some extent but Steam as a platform could easily be ruined by a more money hungry company.
ArcaneNLSC
Member
Well fuck then news I heard was wrong aww well it was nearly 20 years ago
mayham2199
Member
I hate... I cannot stress this enough... hate posts like these. It's so much blind bias it becomes irritating.
Ok... I am not gonna get too into it. But can you, or people who think like you, point out how well a $400 "good gaming PC" plays these games?
Because that right there is what you guys just keep on missing, why compare how a $400 gaming console plays games to a $1000+ gaming PC??????? How does that even make sense? And you guys just talk like it's the exact same thing. Like everyone in the world that has only $500 to invest in a gaming platform, would be able to say, well yh I can get a good gaming PC for that price.
Here is the reality of that situation, a current-gen console at its cost of entry... will ALWAYs outperform a gaming PC if you can only spend that same amount of money. You cannot justify buying a gaming PC over a console without inherently, moving the posts.
There's so much more than this on top of it. PC gamers always make PC gaming sound like a paradise. I've been gaming on PC since the day you had to use cmd just to run the programs. I have a gaming PC right now that's been turned off since BG3 came out on PS5. PC gamimg has a lot of positives but PC gamers always leave out all the inconveniences involved in having a gaming PC. Inconveniences that seem small on the surface but quickly add up over time.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Steam/Valve would have been a far better (and likely cheaper) acquisition than ABK ever was. That move alone would give them most control of PC gaming. ALl they would have to do is add Xbox achievements to Steam games and raking in all that dough.
MS would likely screw up steam, but that ecosystem is set.
MisterXDTV
Member
Not to say you are wrong but I was talking about the Xbox store (as in software)
Once you go third-party, nobody in his right mind would keep buying third party games from a store that could close down at any time because they pull the plug
Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah....but typically console gamers overstate the "inconveniences" of PCs as well. I don't know how many times I've been told that I have major driver headaches from console gamers and I'm left thinking "I do?" Bottom line to me is that consoles are streamlined gaming systems. You get what you get. If you want a more customized experience then you need PC. But sure.....the fact that PC are open systems with multiple uses makes them more complicated than consoles and that leads to "incoveniences" that you don't have on console. I don't know how these add up though. I turn on my PC and I start a game just like I do on console. It really isn't complicated at all.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
100% THIS!!!
I'm not sure why so many Xbox fans (not only the fanboys) thought that the following would be true......
1. Hardware sales don't matter anymore, Xbox is playing a different game. Their games are on PC too now.
2. Software sales don't matter anymore, Xbox is playing a different game. Gamepass is the future
3. Physical games don't matter anymore, Xbox is playing a different game. Video game streaming is the future anyway.
4. Exclusives don't matter anymore, Xbox is playing a different game. Gamepass makes it so gamers have access to all the games they need.
5. Remasters and remakes aren't needed anymore, Xbox is playing a different game. Their backwards compatibility services are second to none and is what everyone wants.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
PC Gaming is a paradise.....when everything works. It becomes a miserable experience when you deal with incompatibilities, driver issues, etc, BIOS updates.
I find that PC games are often far less stable than console games. I am with you 100% I get very sick of the PC community just saying "get a pc" like its cheap and easy. Are there cheap and easy solutions? sure, but they're quite often crap. The convenience of putting a game into a disc drive (or downloading it). Starting it and knowing it will work is very very attractive.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Yeah, I'm also willing to bet that you are an experienced user. You put a novice on PC and it's not always smooth and rosy. Prebuilt systems can usually mitigate this, which is what I recommend for people getting into PC for the first time.
Like right now for instance, Steam is broken and games wont launch, without me clearing my download cache and restarting. That shit is pissing me the fuck off.
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MS acquired Rare in....2002. Rare makes Sea of Thieves.
I dont think anything else needs to be said if SoT gets ported. If SoT is on the table....what isnt?
Blade and Indy has less of a shot being exclusive than any game. If we see Hellblade 2 get ported...
I dont think anything else needs to be said if SoT gets ported. If SoT is on the table....what isnt?
Remember how the Insomniac leak showed how costly it was dealing with Marvel (and probably Disney)?
Blade and Indy has less of a shot being exclusive than any game. If we see Hellblade 2 get ported...
devilNprada
Member
How much did Blockbuster going exclusively BD have to do with the WB decision?
Edit: And how much did people having PS3 BD players in their home effect the Blockbuster decision?
Just a thought
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Topher
Identifies as young
Well yeah.....I ain't talking about buliding PCs If someone buys a gaming laptop or PC it really isn't that hard to get a game running. The experience required is essentially understanding how to start a program in Windows. It isn't difficult. But yeah.....anecdotal problems do occur. I've seen plenty of people here talk about various annoyances they have with PlayStation and Xbox as well.
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Deleted member 848825
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Hmm, I wish my experience over the years was as simple as that on a Windows PC. I think one of the key rabbit holes I'd disappear down regularly. Is when a PC port isn't great, you had so many options to try, that could very well have it running well. Some stuff ran without issue, but they were more the exception to the norm. Most for me required trying numerous driver settings on top of the in game settings. And then when I added HDR 10 on top, it became even worse.
I loved PC gaming. But plug and play simplicity without tinkering was rarely part of it.
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Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
This is way more telling than whatever the hell Nate says. If they changed Xbox Branding on first party games to just "console", then they are coming to PS5.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
This is BS man. You make it sound as if swapping out a GPU is all there is to it. As if other factors don't also come into play. And other costs.......
Crispy Gamer
Member
I thought it was an absolutely stupid move to purchase a whole ass 3rd party publisher to make games exclusive it made zero financial sense and it was accompanied with bad messaging they've let Phil run Xbox amuck for long enough so if they say all Bethesda games moving forward will be multi-platform I wouldn't blink an eye because it always made sense to continue releasing everywhere. What would be absolutely shocking is if legacy xbox game studio titles get ported like Gears or Halo then I would say xbox as we knew it is over you can't come back from that it would be a signal that they'll leave hardware in the not too distant future. Good luck to them next week I hope they're smart enough to not let Phil speak if they want the messaging to be clear and straightforward.
Topher
Identifies as young
lol....I don't know what to tell you. I never have to change driver settings. I adjust game settings to get the desired output and I'm done.
Piss poor PC ports suck, sure. But we can go back plenty of times and I can point to the DF comparison threads where folks bemoaned the lack of "optimization" in console games as well
Anyway.....getting back on topic.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Day one Game Pass was always going to fail. Nobody else approaches creating content this way (outside of music and Netflix). Netflix can get away with it because they have 260 million subscribers. YES, Netflix has over a quarter BILLION subscribers worldwide.
MS' 33 million GamePass subs is nothing compared to that.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
This is way more telling than whatever the hell Nate says. If they changed Xbox Branding on first party games to just "console", then they are coming to PS5.
As has been shared ad nauseam, this change happened like 4 months ago, not recently. And "coming day 1 to Game Pass" is still visible, but just in a different location.
soulbait
Member
This is way more telling than whatever the hell Nate says. If they changed Xbox Branding on first party games to just "console", then they are coming to PS5.
Many of those changes were done months ago.
More than likely the changes were made as a push for more GamePass subs. Before, Xbox was front and center anytime GamePass was mentioned. By moving that more into the background (consoles), then it becomes more clear that GamePass is available on other platforms: PC and Cloud. For those who do not have Xbox (and with it not selling gangbusters), knowing that a GamePass subscription works on their PC and just for Cloud streaming, like on Samsung TVs, could get others to subscribe. Detach GamePass = Xbox, and then maybe others will sign up.
As for the "coming day 1 to GamePass" no longer being mentioned on the pages, some have assumed this means the games will no longer be available on GamePass the day they are released. I think the more likely scenario is this: if you see GamePass mentioned, then the game will be there on day one. Why mention GamePass if the game would not not on the service? If it says GamePass on its marketing page, it would be assumed that the game will be there.
I can see why "discovering" these months old changes are making people speculate even more things due to all the rumors that have been going around this past week, but it also seems like many people are just reacting rather than thinking things through. The more likely scenario is Microsoft is trying to find more ways to increase to GamePass subs outside of Xbox, so making the Xbox portion more "quiet" allows the other ones to be more noticed. If anything, the new set up makes Xbox, PC, and Cloud all equal in messaging.
Now for some plausible speculation:
There is a chance the removing of "Xbox" and just "Console" being displayed means that Microsoft finally got agreements in place with other consoles (PS or Switch) to place GamePass on them. However, this currently still feels unlikely at this time. My belief is the current changes are going to be this:
- More Microsoft published games will be going to other consoles
- Most of these will not be released on the same day as on Xbox/PC, so there will be some sort of "Play here first" marketing. 6 months gap between release would be my guess.
- Games will still be available on GamePass on release day
bitbydeath
Member
There’s been a few signs of Xbox brand going away, such as the above, the upcoming event that was rebranded to Microsoft Gaming and Phil’s new title. I wonder if they needed a week to get the redundancies in order for people who remain on Xbox like Sarah Bond.
This is way more telling than whatever the hell Nate says. If they changed Xbox Branding on first party games to just "console", then they are coming to PS5.
mayham2199
Member
I do agree I see console gamers making ridiculous claims about having to upgrade more often than you really do. The bugs on PC games is overexaggerated as well IMO. Hell I even see PC gamers complaining about bugs on a game that runs fine for me though.
As far as how it gets inconvenient I'm not even going to go down that road cause I have so many times already. I just tell people to get a gaming PC. Either you'll like it or you wont. As a kid I loved it. Now just wanting to lay on my couch it's to much trouble. Also before you say it yes I know you can connect PC to your TV believe me I did. Tried my best to get my PC to behave just like a console. I was so close but it's still not there. Just trying to join a discord while you're playing a game at the same time is the beginning of the inconveniences I'm talking about. Very simple to do on consoles not so much on PC (with a controller).
mayham2199
Member
This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. I have even more stories. I wanted PC gaming to work. I love the actual performance of games a lot more but the little things like this are just to much.
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Deleted member 848825
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Good for you. I wasn't trying to do a platform vs argument, just sharing my experience of PC gaming. My point was, that on console, yes you have shitty games and performance of course, but there aren't a myriad of options to do anything about it. So you can bounce off it quite quickly and no where you stand. On a PC I could go down a rabbit hole of options for many hours. Common ones for me during W10 were, max pre-rendered frames, dx11 vs dx12 vs vulcan, Borderless vs fullscreen, exe compatibility options, config file adjustments, frame limiters; to name but a few. Once sorted it could be brilliant. But it usually took some time getting there. And sometimes, I could never eliminate a stutter.
A while ago when I plugged in a 7900XT on W10, I had to reinstall FH5 3 times due to MS store being flaky. And when I tried AC origins via Steam I had an awful stutter/ frame sync issue. Which I fixed by forcing driver vsync and disabling in game vsync. Not a huge deal, but not faff free.
Great to hear its faff free for you on W11 with an RTX4080.
Topher
Identifies as young
Well.....anecdotal experience whether it is good or bad, I guess. Moving on....
Edit: Ain't triggered @King Dazzar . Just pointing out we have different experiences....
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I thought they said Horizon FW on PS+ Extra was a test to see what would happen to it's sales if it was put on their subscription service. They saw the results, so it gave them the info that they needed. Doesn't mean the whole PS+ Extra\Premium is a bad idea.
But..............that's more than a slight shift in strategy.
The bolded is what scares me. It seems to show that MS is now taking over Xbox. And the Xbox guys have lost control and they hands have been taken off the steering wheel.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
If they had reached the 100M subscribers that Phil was supposedly pushing, then I could see it being sustainable.
I seriously would love to be at that meeting where he pushed those numbers,
splattered
Member
What if all this is simply Microsoft moving from "Xbox" gaming to "Microsoft" gaming? Everything else more or less stays the same outside of a few multiplayer focused games like Sea of Thieves coming to other consoles.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
The reason that happened is because the Xbox guys did such a terrible job.I thought they said Horizon FW on PS+ Extra was a test to see what would happen to it's sales if it was put on their subscription service. They saw the results, so it gave them the info that they needed. Doesn't mean the whole PS+ Extra\Premium is a bad idea.
But..............that's more than a slight shift in strategy.
The bolded is what scares me. It seems to show that MS is now taking over Xbox. And the Xbox guys have lost control and they hands have been taken off the steering wheel.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
At least Hi-Fi Rush is pretty much a done deal at this point, and that's not a multiplayer game. So there is definitely more than that at least.
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
This recent Defining Duke cast with Colin, Cog, Matty and co is fucking fantastic. Great discussion.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
And an AMAZING cover for that video. WOW! Plus their youtube videos usually get 15k-20k views per week. This one got 50k views in a DAY! I like their show so proud that more people get to see them.
Mattyp
Topher
Identifies as young
And an AMAZING cover for that video. WOW! Plus their youtube videos usually get 15k-20k views per week. This one got 50k views in a DAY! I like their show so proud that more people get to see them.
Been saying a while now that
Mattyp
has good stuff. Xbox fan but very level headed about it.
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RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
So true, been a gamer since waaaay before the days of boot discs on 486DX's to get Doom to run lol, my company upgrades my works Laptop to the latest Alienware every two years but I just can't be arsed gaming on it, so it stays in the drawer in work and i use the PS5 with the controller docked beside the sofa, no hassles, hit a button, put the footrest up and I'm back in the game in minutes, fuck drivers, fuck patches, launchers, fiddling with settings to eak out every frame... There's a lot to love about console gaming tbf
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bitbydeath
Member
Xbox consoles would probably also get a shelf life announcement if that were to happen, MS gaming devices coming as the replacement.
Roxkis_ii
Banned
Until they convert all the executables to uwp's and kill moding like on the windows store.
Microsoft need to stay they asses away from managing anymore store fronts.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Agreed. I like Matty. He too often drinks the Xbox kool-aid, but he is far from being a shill. He ripped Redfall and was fairly critical of Starfield. He isnt in the same league as Colt or TimDogg. Old TimDogg anyway.Been saying a while now that
Topher
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Shakka43
Member
That GPU upgrade alone will cost you double the price of a next gen console lol. I love PC gaming but let's be real, it's not a cheap hobby if you want to exceed console quality.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Yeah, I loved Colins comments on how Xbox fanboys who championed these acquisitions didn't think such a deal would have downsides. ABK made the gaming division huge and put it on a much more watchful eye.