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Games will take 6-12 months (and sometimes longer) to come to GamePass Standard
Bernardougf
Member
Ah yes and since they always deliver on the gaming front ... it really is a great value indeed.
Killjoy-NL
Member
So, closer to PS5 releases?
bender
What time is it?
Watching people fall for Xbox's hurry up and wait approach always makes me chuckle.
Thats pretty much the same as PS Plus Extra. I pay that for the service, First party Games show up a year later, sometimes more.
DJ12
Member
PS5 releases are going to be day one, will be MS's primary source of revenue.
Games pass ultimate will be pre-release or Beta access so the games are fixed before venturing on to PlayStation (and in some cases Nintendo Switch 1|2)
brokenwatch
Member
I could not downgrade my pre-paid ultimate subscription to core when I was too busy to actually game, so I just cancelled it after having a paid XBL subscription of one form or another since... the 2010s?
Haven't missed it all until I tried to play Halo 5 MP, and wonderful to see they are making core an even worse deal.
Haven't missed it all until I tried to play Halo 5 MP, and wonderful to see they are making core an even worse deal.
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Banjo64
cumsessed
Yeah, and that’s a fucking rip off. Just because they are scandalously ripping people off to play peer to peer online doesn’t mean the higher tiers are good value.
Banjo64
cumsessed
And what’s also overlooked is that PS Plus Essential is actually a really good service, that at this point probably trumps all of the higher tiers on both platforms in terms of bang for buck and quality - even though I hate that they’ve paywalled online play behind it.
Laptop1991
Member
I always said Microsoft would have to change direction to make more money, like not putting games on gamepass day 1 and instead try to sell them, so it's their 1st step in increasing income by charging more for day 1 GP games and i think they will continue to do this depending on how popular it turns out to be, also i don't think the cheaper PC version is that much of a moneymaker in the end as it's still GFWL/Windows Store again for me, so i it won't make me change from Steam or GOG, and a lot more Xbox gamers will pay for the 20 quid ultimate service than PC gamers will the PC one, in fact i wonder how many PC gamers actually pay for it regularly, if it was a lot they would put it up.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Only reason I have Game Pass is because of MS rewards. It would be incredibly difficult justifying paying actual cash, but it is worth the few minutes a day I piddle around to generate points.
Laptop1991
Member
Yeah i get it, but if MS put the price up of the PC one would you pay it.
Topher
Identifies as young
If not for rewards then I'd do what I do with other sub services. Like with the upcoming AC game, I'm going to sub to Ubisoft+ for a month, play the game, and then cancel. I'm not paying cash for an entire year no matter what so I'm not really the guy to ask.
Laptop1991
Member
if you only play the game once or for a limited time and don't want to own it, then yeah it's a cheaper choice than buying it, sound strategy.
TwiztidElf
Member
y'know, there are a bunch of people that sit around in flashy meeting rooms getting paid stacks of money to come up with this insanity.
absolutely fascinating.
absolutely fascinating.
semiconscious
Member
they went where no console had gone before. & then they returned to where another console already had...
i think everyone knew that the release of starfield would trigger the beginning of the great reckoning. &, with some extra help from the cod acquisition, it did...
diffusionx
Gold Member
I think this is going to be confusing to customers. It's not like the ad tiers on the streaming. Not to mention they have been pushing DAY ONE ON GAMEPASS on every single trailer they've been doing for years at this point. Are they going to go back and change all of them?
The more I think about this the more it seems like yet another disaster and unforced error from MS.
The more I think about this the more it seems like yet another disaster and unforced error from MS.
mitch1971
Member
If it's one thing I've learn't over the last few years, MS are experts at chewing off their own feet.
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mitch1971
Member
100% this. They jumped a stage of entisement and went right to the top, leaving no room for improvement. Now they have to shuffle some of that goodness back. It was bound to happen.
Gambit2483
Member
I'm sure they are prepping their customer service department for the impending clusterfuck of angry and confused phone calls and emails soon incoming.
nemiroff
Gold Member
So MS doesn't have feet but is still constantly jumping between first and second most valuable company on the planet. Impressive. Imagine what they could do if they had both feet intact.
Nydius
Member
At the very least they should go back and edit all the ones from last month's showcase.
Imagine being a non-tech savvy parent who has a kid that wants an Xbox Series S with Game Pass for their birthday and they show you all the games coming "day one on Game Pass" advertised just a month ago. So you're convinced and buy them the Xbox and get them Game Pass Core or Standard because the video said "on Game Pass" and didn't specify tier.
What a flustercuck. Part of me wonders if the confusion is intentional.
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GHG
Gold Member
Phil even said it himself:
“When I look at Game Pass, we are absolutely going to make money on Starfield, touch wood, that’s the plan. And we will grow Game Pass, and Xbox will be a better platform both on PC and console,” Spencer said. “For us, it’s about expanding our platform reach, and we think important games like Starfield will be catalysts for Game Pass growth on many different platforms.”
Phil Spencer Claims Starfield Will Be Profitable Thanks To Game Pass - Gameranx
Starfield is getting closer to release, but the question of whether it'll be profitable is still up in the air.
gameranx.com
It completely flies in the face of anyone trying to tell people that Starfield wasn't meant to be that big a deal for Xbox.
Phil didn't touch enough wood.
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Haint
Member
Difference is Sony doesn't sell a tier with day 1 first/third party games for $5 more. If they did, everyone would be on Premium and no one would be on Extra.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
Of course and this move is going to make that behavior more popular. Sub, immediately cancel, play what you subbed for, add another month when you find you want to play something else and cancel immediately.
All I’ve said is The $14.99 tier GamePass is feature wise identical to PS Plus Extra. And many still consider that good value.
Thoughts on the upsell to Ultimate are a different matter altogether.
Topher
Identifies as young
Thankfully the successful parts of Microsoft have enough class not to make fun of the other parts that have disabilities.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Yea, I feel like they have to edit those, and any other for games not out yet and not on GamePass standard or whatever it's called.
AmuroChan
Member
PS never set the expectations for day 1 first party games, which is why relatively to what exists in the PS ecosystem, Extra is good value. The PR problem for Microsoft is that they have set the expectations and essentially trained their userbase to not buy games. So making that pivot is much more challenging than what PS experienced moving to the tier system.
XXL
Member
Badlucktroll
Member
I think we will get shit like Blade, Indiana Jones, and Elder Scrolls 6 but Halo is off the table
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
That and GP has been consistently better in terms of games on the service so any change is more receptive to be taken negatively.
Indi isn't releasing day 1 on PS5, if at all. By the time TESVI comes out we'll be in a whole another gen.
Fixed.
semiconscious
Member
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Kataploom
Gold Member
People make a problem from anything ffs, this is just a cheaper tier, you can just have games day 1 if you stay on any other tier, it's a shame for price raise but it was obviously coming soon.
I see this tier mostly for those that really REALLY don't care about day 1 games and only have GP for those titles they play a lot online like Sea Of Thieves and next COD.
I see this tier mostly for those that really REALLY don't care about day 1 games and only have GP for those titles they play a lot online like Sea Of Thieves and next COD.
Cornbread78
Member
Uggh, once my GP stack runs out next year, I won't renew. I just pre ordered CoD on PS5 since MS is going to get my money either way at leadt I can play on a system with a better controller and a better network connection..
Generic
Member
Sadly Sony stopped putting their games on the service (with the exception of old PSP/PS2 games)
bitbydeath
Member
Not really.
Games with gold is dead, and there’s no guarantees the day 1 games will be replaced with anything.
Nydius
Member
Games will cost 80 way before Gamepass goes to 30 IMO. I’d wager games might even hit 90-100 before Gamepass hits 30.
Killjoy-NL
Member
I wonder if this is an attempt to make GP more popular on PC, because rn it's doing poorly on that platform.
Iirc, isn't the GP installbase <30M (closer to 25M), with 21-23M being on Xbox?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
34 million and we don't know how it divides, they haven't given that figure out officially.