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[demigod]

Ah. SneakersSO in here. Must mean there's some negative Xbox gossip he can spooge all over. Amazing he's still going 11 years strong since dropping all that info to Pete Dodd all those years ago.

 

[Deleted member 848825]

No idea whether it will or won't have Steam capabilities, the high-end machine. If Microsoft wants to go the route of making it a Desktop Windows OS, a WIndows-Box if you will, then its certainly possibly they wouldn't need Valve's support/approval, but that creates a situation where unless its dual-booting into the Xbox OS as well, user's will not have their Xbox library intact, since an Xbox OS Sku and a Windows Gaming Sku of a game are different builds entirely, and thus breaks licensing agreements and digital libraries. Comes down to navigating a plethora of licenses with both 3rd party and Valve. Not just that, going this route would effectively end 3rd parties shipping 'Xbox' games, since as I said before, an Xbox game and a Windows Store game are two different skus/platforms, and developers just have not had a want or need to ship a Windows Store build unless Microsoft is providing kickbacks, usually in the form of a GamePass deal (these days anyway - although even those have come to a massive reduction this year).

I imagine the route they are going to take is going to be far more simple - ship a high-powered, very expensive, very market-niche product as the 'Xbox HW' userbase dwindles down to the core 10-15m users WW that are willing to show up for that. Shipping a windows OS box that has access to Steam natively requires a level of support that I just don't see them wanting to pay given what they are seeing on the HW interest side is nowhere near what they want from it.

Honestly, if it weren't for the subscription revenue Game Pass currently is bringing in for CoD, i'm not entirely convinced we'd be getting another non-handheld high-end Xbox console.

I do expect you to be right and $600/$700 to be the baseline MSRP for a PS6, and likely tack on another $100-$150 if tariffs do get implemented. As for the MS handheld, I also expect it to be quite expensive. An Asus Rog Ally goes for about $450 right now I think. I expect their handheld to be in the $600-$700 range as well.

If I understand correctly we'll be getting a high end console that's very expensive. Running an Xbox OS. With an anticipated user base of 10m to 15m. Then surely it'd only see games from Xbox themselves? No other 3rd parties would bother surely...

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

jez corden to his MS Masters:

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

11 years ago..... and still he remembers. i don't even remember the name of my ex.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

The bots downloaded their new marching orders.

Does he not know about the existence of the Portal and also the PS Remote Play app on PC, MacOS, Android, and iOS?

 

[Kacho]

No other 3rd parties would bother surely...

Not without incentive. I assume Xbox will be cutting a lot of checks for 'Play Anywhere' titles.

 

[Humdinger]

These are two different outcomes which might be where your confusion is coming in.

It can be the last console, and they can still offer new transitional hardware next gen.

I'm not confused. I have always understood that their next machines would be be a hybrid PC lovechild and a handheld. If the former doesn't count as a "console" because it doesn't meet the strict definition we are accustomed to, eh ok, but to me, that's just semantics. "Hardware," "console," call it what you will - many people were saying this was MS's last generation to produce it - that MS were done with Xbox consoles/hardware after this gen, the end.

That's what I was pushing back against. I was saying of course there will be a next-gen Xbox. It wouldn't make sense for them to just hang their whole Xbox user base out to dry. Not yet. They've got one more console/hardware generation in them.

If I understand correctly we'll be getting a high end console that's very expensive. Running an Xbox OS. With an anticipated user base of 10m to 15m. Then surely it'd only see games from Xbox themselves? No other 3rd parties would bother surely...

That's a good point. Who's going to go to the trouble and expense of porting games to a platform with such a small install base? The 10-15 m. is lifetime, so it will be small numbers for many years. Maybe its PC capabilities - whatever they are - will make this porting process easier somehow? I don't know.

They'll have a lower-priced handheld as well, but that would require a separate port.

p.s. Good to hear that Fable is "monstrously expensive" and so will end up on PS5, too. I have hopes for that game, despite the protagonist.

 

[Deleted member 848825]

They've got one more console/hardware generation in them.

Maybe. Or they just release another bit of hardware that ends up being so niche and expensive, it doesn't even move the needle.

 

[LordCBH]

Does he not know about the existence of the Portal and also the PS Remote Play app on PC, MacOS, Android, and iOS?

Don’t worry, bots are also latching onto a rumor by a literal nobody about Sony selling their Spidey movie rights and think it means the games will be ported.

 

[Humdinger]

Maybe. Or they just release another bit of hardware that ends up being so niche and expensive, it doesn't even move the needle.

Well, I never claimed it would be a success. I just said they would try again; they would offer something.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

wow. Tom Warren was right. now "this is an Xbox" makes all the sense in the world. no dumb at all.

 

[Self High Five]

$1000 hardware with no Steam is DOA. Especially when future Xbox software will be available on PS6 or Steam. It would make more sense to create a dedicated Xbox OS for both their console and handheld with the option for desktop mode to install whatever you want.

Third party's won't be making SKU's for a console expected to ship 10-15M lifetime units. Not with PS6, PC and Switch 2

It takes billions of R&D to make a console. It wouldn't make sense to do so with such a low expected userbase and a high price. Either they need to go all in again with a mass produced console(s) at a reasonable price, convince publishers they'll have ~30M expected install base so we'll have third party SKU's or go with OEM hardware at a ~$1000+ price point with their own handheld as well, use their storefront and Xbox app to play MS games with the option to use Steam. Hardcore Xbox gamers will still stay within Xbox app and use gamepass and their existing digital libraries, other gamers can venture out to other storefronts to play PC and Playstation games

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

$1000 hardware with no Steam is DOA. Especially when future Xbox software will be available on PS6 or Steam. It would make more sense to create a dedicated Xbox OS for both their console and handheld with the option for desktop mode to install whatever you want.

Third party's won't be making SKU's for a console expected to ship 10-15M lifetime units. Not with PS6, PC and Switch 2

It takes billions of R&D to make a console. It wouldn't make sense to do so with such a low expected userbase and a high price. Either they need to go all in again with a mass produced console(s) at a reasonable price, convince publishers they'll have ~30M expected install base so we'll have third party SKU's or go with OEM hardware at a ~$1000+ price point with their own handheld as well, use their storefront and Xbox app to play MS games with the option to use Steam. Hardcore Xbox gamers will still stay within Xbox app and use gamepass and their existing digital libraries, other gamers can venture out to other storefronts to play PC and Playstation games

I still think it will run Steam

 

[onQ123]

I still think it will run Steam

It will do everything that PC does but it will most likely require you to get out of the mode that's right in your face when you 1st get the device. Like S Mode , they will bank on casuals not bothering to unlock the device & just using the Xbox store to buy games.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Maybe. Or they just release another bit of hardware that ends up being so niche and expensive, it doesn't even move the needle.

Who will buy it?

Sure you have the early adopters and die hards, how many of them will be left interested by the time it launches?

Not to mention the expectation will be that their games will now be on future iterations of PlayStation hardware. With price points a factor, what would the consumer do if they can play all the Sony stuff, all the third party stuff and now Microsoft’s stuff along with it?

I’d rather they just be done with it all in terms of hardware , they want Gamepass on PlayStation and Nintendo, just do that because that’s what they have wanted to do all along.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Who will buy it?

Sure you have the early adopters and die hards, how many of them will be left interested by the time it launches?

Not to mention the expectation will be that their games will now be on future iterations of PlayStation hardware. With price points a factor, what would the consumer do if they can play all the Sony stuff, all the third party stuff and now Microsoft’s stuff along with it?

I’d rather they just be done with it all in terms of hardware , they want Gamepass on PlayStation and Nintendo, just do that because that’s what they have wanted to do all along.

How many who knows but there will be people who want this machine, especially those with large Xbox libraries and who dont care about PS games.

Plus I am “guessing” its a monster and will have the price to go with it

 

[digoutyoursoul]

How many who knows but there will be people who want this machine, especially those with large Xbox libraries and who dont care about PS games.

Plus I am “guessing” its a monster and will have the price to go with it

Yeah I appreciate that as you say people with large libraries and so on.

I’m in that category although I still buy physical for IP I’m a big fan of, collectors editions etc.

Too much hss gone on now for me tho, I can’t see myself buying anything from them again after this generation. Been there since the OG but enough is enough, especially if it’s going to be the same people at the helm for another round.

 

[UltimaKilo]

Its really not the future of the market. Nintendo will always have a device and exclusive software to sell said device. Sony will also have hardware, and soon a new handheld, but will also have software to push said hardware. Only difference is that Sony is perfectly okay with allowing software to be sold elsewhere after the hardware pushing value of the title has been tapped.

I don't understand why so many folks attribute Xbox's market problems to the other hardware manufacturers. The reason Xbox is in this position is one born of antiquated marketing and terrible regional growth strategies. At any other company, Greenberg and Phil would've been sacked given the results they've produced for 2, going on 3 generations now. Its purely a Microsoft Corporation cultural thing with why execs like this stay - you basically will not be fired if you will be a corporate cheerleader within the org, and as long as your leg of the business isn't losing too much money.

“Always” is not a term used in business. I don’t think Nintendo will be pushing out consoles in another 30 years, which is why they are diversifying more and more.

Heck, even Apple is having to open up their ecosystem.

Your point about leadership at XBOX is well taken. No company would put up with this. The problem is that up until the Activision acquisition, it appeared video games were an afterthought and now being used to keep Apple back, without changing leadership.

 

[bitbydeath]

I'm not confused. I have always understood that their next machines would be be a hybrid PC lovechild and a handheld. If the former doesn't count as a "console" because it doesn't meet the strict definition we are accustomed to, eh ok, but to me, that's just semantics. "Hardware," "console," call it what you will - many people were saying this was MS's last generation to produce it - that MS were done with Xbox consoles/hardware after this gen, the end.

That's what I was pushing back against. I was saying of course there will be a next-gen Xbox. It wouldn't make sense for them to just hang their whole Xbox user base out to dry. Not yet. They've got one more console/hardware generation in them.

I think the main definition of a console is that the device is built primarily to play games, and many aspects such as the OS will reflect that.

Handhelds meet this definition but even they are segmented in discussion due to differing market appeals.

You can call it semantics but either way it will be a different product and not like any Xbox that has come before, especially the branded PC.

 

[Astray]

Ah. SneakersSO in here. Must mean there's some negative Xbox gossip he can spooge all over. Amazing he's still going 11 years strong since dropping all that info to Pete Dodd all those years ago.

That said, Jez saying Microsoft couldn't have anticipated the drop in hardware is ridiculous. Anyone with half a brain and some knowledge of the industry could see what was going to happen. I told my buddies this would happen quickly back when the 4 games were announced. We've since all migrated to PlayStation or PC and none of us regret it.

The drop in hardware happened the year before the 4 games fiasco. That's the unexpected part.

 

[coachmcguirk91]

I still think it will run Steam

First off, most Xbox users won't upgrade hardware until it actually has exclusive games that don't come out on Xbox Series systems. That probably won't happen until 2030, at the earliest

Secondly, Microsoft would have to stop charging for online if they opened it up to Steam. I dont think they could have Xbox Series users pay a 10$ monthly online subscription while their new console is free. That would be very chaotic. And I don't see a world where Microsoft throws away billions of dollars in free revenue by allowing Steam on their platform. They would not only lose subscriptions, but they also wouldn't get their 30% cut of all 3rd party sales

Not to mention, SteamOS is a becoming a major competitor to Windows

 

[ExtendEmbraceExtinguish]

If I understand correctly we'll be getting a high end console that's very expensive. Running an Xbox OS. With an anticipated user base of 10m to 15m. Then surely it'd only see games from Xbox themselves? No other 3rd parties would bother surely...

No it means a console that plays ps/xbox & pc games. The only way this makes sense is for msft to go full acquisition, have Aaa games ready meaning an actual gap in graphics from 600 vs 1k consoles. Will it sell; no but it’s about psychological damage considering all consoles will be playing the same games( minus Nintendo but bypassed via emulators).

 

[Negotiator101]

What does it matter? If you like Xbox games, just buy them on your PS5.


Things change. He doesn't run Xbox, nor does he work there. The people he gets his leaks from can be right until they aren't and it seems like Microsoft keeps evolving it's stance over time. it happens.

Yeah but we know there are new "Xbox" consoles in development, now unless it's a case of playing PC games as well on the console I don't understand how it could sell without at least some exclusive games. The Multiplatform strategy is sound but I imagine it will continue at least for the near future on a case by case basis.

 

[KungFucius]

Stupid...just stupid.... I have all consoles,if my PS5 can play all Xbox games then why the fuck do I need an xbox again?

The same reasons assholes like me buy a PS5 when they prefer their nice PC. Impatience. Gamepass is also a reason until the streaming works well enough for all users. But those people should go PC instead.

 

[jm89]

 

[onQ123]

 

[GulfCoastZilla]

Just make me Xbox controllers on PlayStation already.

 

[Humdinger]

I think the main definition of a console is that the device is built primarily to play games, and many aspects such as the OS will reflect that.

Handhelds meet this definition but even they are segmented in discussion due to differing market appeals.

You can call it semantics but either way it will be a different product and not like any Xbox that has come before, especially the branded PC.

Yeah, I understand that, have for a long time.

Every time I discussed the topic, I always added that when I said "console," I was not referring to a traditional console but to some form of PC hybrid. So I think I was clear.

Anyhow, I'm just glad that it has finally been confirmed. Confirmed by Sneakers anyhow, and more coyly by Heisenberg. That's good enough for me.

edit: I just realized that Phil himself confirmed it in mid-November. I'd forgotten about that. Specifically, he said, “We’ll definitely do more consoles in the future, and other devices” (where "other devices" means the handheld). I'm not interested in splitting hairs over correct use of the c-word, but Phil himself calls the hybrid model a "console." I just think it's an easy shorthand term for most people. The boundaries are blurring, though, that's for sure.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/rolling-stone-xbox-ceo-says-there-will-‘definitely’-be-future-consoles.1677411/#post-269800270

 

[Taur007]

It's good to hear this come from someone like Jez. If he's getting it, then everyone else must be - you'd hope so, anyhow. I still run into Xbox diehards occasionally who seem in denial about it.

In my mind, it still remains to be seen 1) how long the exclusivity windows will be, and 2) whether the backcatalog of exclusives comes as well or whether this just pertains to future exclusives.

I find it funny that NOW all of this "speculation" from jez is good when every time he said something good about Xbox people needed proof, now he's on the doom and gloom train everyone believes his "rumors" now

We don't know ANYTHING about future exclusives except that some are coming, won't believe ALL until I see it. And satya keeps mentioning other devices but somehow all everyone seems to hear is "PlayStation"...like did we all not just listen to that FTC trial? We know how slippery wording can be with tech companies, "devices" can literally be anything

All we can do is wait and see, but I do think it's hilarious that majority of people are already thinking PS will get "every" exclusivei think those people are in for a rude awakening

 

[Woopah]

Let’s check in on how the Twitter shills are doing today!

Turns out they aren’t taking it very well!

I would love to know the thought process behind someone saying this.

It just make sooooo much sense.

Which is the main reason why I don't see them going to the pain in the ass process of creating, manufacturing, supporting and marketing a console.

There's still an awful lot of revenue to be made from online subscriptions and third party game and MTX royalists. So I think MS will try and have it both ways and still retain some of the benefits of being a platform holder.

 

[freefornow]

Amazing he's still going 11 years strong since dropping all that info to Pete Dodd all those years ago.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

If you've got a Pro membership for Gamestop, you can trade in your Series X for like $286. Now might be a good time to jump out.

 

[mckmas8808]

If you've got a Pro membership for Gamestop, you can trade in your Series X for like $286. Now might be a good time to jump out.

That's actually a good deal for the seller.

 

[Humdinger]

I find it funny that NOW all of this "speculation" from jez is good when every time he said something good about Xbox people needed proof, now he's on the doom and gloom train everyone believes his "rumors" now

People aren't agreeing with Jez because Jez agrees with them. People are laughing at Jez because he's been in staunch denial about this stuff in the past, and now he's coming around to make stark declarations like this, which are the complete opposite of what he said earlier. The 180 is kind of funny.

We don't know ANYTHING about future exclusives except that some are coming, won't believe ALL until I see it. And satya keeps mentioning other devices but somehow all everyone seems to hear is "PlayStation"...like did we all not just listen to that FTC trial? We know how slippery wording can be with tech companies, "devices" can literally be anything

All we can do is wait and see, but I do think it's hilarious that majority of people are already thinking PS will get "every" exclusivei think those people are in for a rude awakening

The fate of most future Xbox "exclusives," especially the big-budget ones, is fairly clear. They will be coming to PS5, either day-and-date or after a delay. We don't know all the details, but the general direction is clear enough.

I do agree that using words like "all" or "everything" is over-statement. PS won't get every single Xbox exclusive - that would be all titles, including small and insignificant ones in the backcatalog that no one cares about. Porting games takes times and money, and some of those won't be worth it. MS might also want to retain some exclusives just to prop up their brand a little more. We'll see.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Oh yes, the individual who was sent a Vita and a stack of games by Sony. I wonder why they would do that.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The bots downloaded their new marching orders.

 

[LordCBH]

we

Benevolent Microsoft holding Sony back from bankruptcy. What a nice company!

Plus this monstrosity of a twitter post too!

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

That's actually a good deal for the seller.

I just checked, and I have 240 digital games on Xbox, and only one of them can't be played on my One X: Gotham Knights. Series X really is a redundant system.

 

[mayham2199]

Yeah I appreciate that as you say people with large libraries and so on.

I’m in that category although I still buy physical for IP I’m a big fan of, collectors editions etc.

Too much hss gone on now for me tho, I can’t see myself buying anything from them again after this generation. Been there since the OG but enough is enough, especially if it’s going to be the same people at the helm for another round.

I'm surprised at how many people are still on Xbox honestly. I just don't see the point. Literally 3 of the GOTY nominees aren't even playable on that system. Maybe they will be eventually but god only know when. It's not just PS games you're missing on Xbox you're missing other third party games and with hardware sales dropping it could get worse.

Xbox has made things better by getting better Sega support, I saw atelier is finally releasing a title over there. They just have at on of work to do.

 

[GloveSlap]

If you've got a Pro membership for Gamestop, you can trade in your Series X for like $286. Now might be a good time to jump out.

That is a good deal.

I still get amused about selling them my Xbox One X for $320ish in 2021 (might have been 2022). Sold my car of 7 years for a profit around the same time. The Covid years were crazy.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

I'm surprised at how many people are still on Xbox honestly. I just don't see the point. Literally 3 of the GOTY nominees aren't even playable on that system. Maybe they will be eventually but god only know when. It's not just PS games you're missing on Xbox you're missing other third party games and with hardware sales dropping it could get worse.

Xbox has made things better by getting better Sega support, I saw atelier is finally releasing a title over there. They just have at on of work to do.

I don’t disagree , I buy the three platforms every generation and I like PlayStation & Nintendo very much, Xbox was the one I was the most passionate about as a fan.

It’s why I criticise them as much as I do and I could see years back where this was headed particularly with the full on assault of a subscription service which would have a influence on software purchases and also the perception of the quality of games, which some folk predictably shrugged as “oh well it’s free”if a game in the service wasn’t up to standard.

As much as I dislike the people in charge, it’s the so called fans and media who deliberately avoided critical thinking so they could continue their access to events, meets & greets, games etc who sicken me just as much, not just their lack of integrity but their sheer arrogance. Having viewership and Microsoft’s ear could of been a positive for constructive criticism but it rarely was.

 

[Humdinger]

I'm surprised at how many people are still on Xbox honestly. I just don't see the point. Literally 3 of the GOTY nominees aren't even playable on that system. Maybe they will be eventually but god only know when. It's not just PS games you're missing on Xbox you're missing other third party games and with hardware sales dropping it could get worse.

- Many Xbox users are big on multiplayer gaming, and they have a circle of friends who play there. So I think that's one reason people stay - because that's where their friends are.

- Others stay because they like Game Pass. Yeah, you can get that on PC, but a lot of Xbox gamers are console gamers; they don't want to game on PC. So they stay on Xbox for GP.

- Some Xbox gamers have a large digital Xbox game library. If they left Xbox, they would lose access to all those games.

- Some people are big fans of games that remain exclusive to Xbox (e.g., Halo, Forza, Gears). Although these games may come to PS5 in the future, for now they're only available on Xbox. And so they stay for that.

edit: Other reasons: Some prefer the Xbox controller and other parts of their ecosystem; some dislike Sony, for whatever reason; and others just have an attachment to the system or brand loyalty because of their history with the consoles.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

- Many Xbox users are big on multiplayer gaming, and they have a circle of friends who play there. So I think that's one reason people stay - because that's where their friends are.

- Others stay because they like Game Pass. Yeah, you can get that on PC, but a lot of Xbox gamers are console gamers; they don't want to game on PC. So they stay on Xbox for GP.

- Some Xbox gamers have a large digital Xbox game library. If they left Xbox, they would lose access to all those games.

- Some people are big fans of games that remain exclusive to Xbox (e.g., Halo, Forza, Gears). Although these games may come to PS5 in the future, for now they're only available on Xbox. And so they stay for that.

Many don’t understand this list though

I totally get it, my son will never leave Xbox and has no desire to ever own a PS

 

[Humdinger]

Many don’t understand this list though

I totally get it, my son will never leave Xbox and has no desire to ever own a PS

I spent my first two generations as an Xbox guy (OG and 360), then many years afterwards on an Xbox-centric forum. So even though I don't count myself as an Xbox fan, I understand their perspective pretty well. In fact, I often get perceived as an Xbox defender when I'm just articulating reasons why people like Xbox, why Xbox isn't a POS, etc.

 

[Taur007]

People aren't agreeing with Jez because Jez agrees with them. People are laughing at Jez because he's been in staunch denial about this stuff in the past, and now he's coming around to make stark declarations like this, which are the complete opposite of what he said earlier. The 180 is kind of funny.



The fate of most future Xbox "exclusives," especially the big-budget ones, is fairly clear. They will be coming to PS5, either day-and-date or after a delay. We don't know all the details, but the general direction is clear enough.

I do agree that using words like "all" or "everything" is over-statement. PS won't get every single Xbox exclusive - that would be all titles, including small and insignificant ones in the backcatalog that no one cares about. Porting games takes times and money, and some of those won't be worth it. MS might also want to retain some exclusives just to prop up their brand a little more. We'll see.

Even though MS said "no red tape" I honestly do believe they draw the line at critical identity games, can you honestly see Sony letting any forza on PS? GT's direct competition? I think MS will do the ones that make the most sense for them (brand wise), not necessarily biggest budget games cause I think something like fable would cost a ton but I just don't see it on ps considering how long the fan base has been clamoring for one, could be wrong though

I do however think most of the publisher games will be multiplat (bethedsa/Acti) but I think majority of Xbox game studios games will remain exclusive to where game pass exist, but we shall wait and see

 

[LordCBH]

can you honestly see Sony letting any forza on PS?

Yes.

 

[gpn]

I just need an announcement for when Starfield is coming to PS5. I never owned an Xbox console before this generation, but when Microsoft purchased Zenimax I thought for sure the games were going to be exclusive. My most played games on PS3 were Oblivion and Skyrim. My most played games on PS4 were Skyrim SE and Fallout 4. My most played PSVR game was Skyrim VR. I know there are many vocal people critical of BGS games, but I love them and wasn't going to miss out on Starfield, so I got an Xbox. Indiana Jones is already announced and I know Elder Scrolls VI will be a simultaneous release, I just need Starfield, which I've enjoyed quite a bit despite its issues, and I can get rid of my Xbox.

 

[powder]

Even though MS said "no red tape" I honestly do believe they draw the line at critical identity games, can you honestly see Sony letting any forza on PS? GT's direct competition? I think MS will do the ones that make the most sense for them (brand wise), not necessarily biggest budget games cause I think something like fable would cost a ton but I just don't see it on ps considering how long the fan base has been clamoring for one, could be wrong though

I do however think most of the publisher games will be multiplat (bethedsa/Acti) but I think majority of Xbox game studios games will remain exclusive to where game pass exist, but we shall wait and see

I dunno, I don’t think Xbox/Microsoft even have “identity games” beyond Halo and maybe Gears. And I don’t think they have incentive to keep anything exclusive anymore - they’re likely just going to release almost everything everywhere day one or do what they’re doing with Indy and choose ever-smaller windows of console exclusivity, if only for the sake of “double dipping”.

 

[Pimpbaa]

I thought we already knew this, with all the PlayStation ports and more coming. And a response to what someone said earlier, gamepass is a very good reason to be still using an Xbox (especially if they don’t want to deal with a gaming pc). Saves me a lot of money, which i use to buy ps5 games.

 

[powder]

Yes.

Totally, the more revenue paths per genre, the better. Forza isn’t really a GT clone - I think it’s different enough for both to exist on the storefront together.