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12.15 - 10.28= 1.87 Teraflops difference between the XSX and PS5 (52 CU's vs. 36 CU's)
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eNT1TY
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Man i remember back in the day overclockers' boogie man was electromigration damage to ic's. I am almost convinced that is a real potential threat to ps5's reliability. It isn't that much weaker than the Series X but the way they need to get there is somewhat alarming.
When all is said an done there isn't a whole lot 12tf can do that 10tf can't but when one machine is comfortably jogging to get to a certain place that the other machine must sprint taking lil breaks between bursts to arrive i know one of them is gonna need a little breather and perhaps some refreshment while the other barely broke a sweat.
When all is said an done there isn't a whole lot 12tf can do that 10tf can't but when one machine is comfortably jogging to get to a certain place that the other machine must sprint taking lil breaks between bursts to arrive i know one of them is gonna need a little breather and perhaps some refreshment while the other barely broke a sweat.
StreetsofBeige
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If you look at all the Xbox and PS systems there's no natural pattern. Pro vs PS4 OG exactly doubled 36 vs 18, but now at 36 again. Xbox was 12, then I think 40, now at 52. All over the place.
There's probably a general trend that more CU = more power, but not all the time.
Not true. MS has stressed “locked”
MilkyJoe
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No, MS is locked at 12.1.
no nothing is locked anywhere. it would be just spupid , same as your PC cpu/gpu speed is variable depends on needs.
and most important thing, when they will release any of new xbox games i will be playing those on PC, and PS5 games i will be playing on PS5 , thats all you will need.
and most important thing, when they will release any of new xbox games i will be playing those on PC, and PS5 games i will be playing on PS5 , thats all you will need.
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CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Absolutely. Xbox's 15 (possibly 16) studios are just sitting around drinking coffee and shooting the shit, right?
Obsidian - working on THREE games right now - Grounded, Outer Worlds 2 and an undisclosed WRPG similar to Skyrim
Ninja Theory - Also working on THREE games at the Moment - Bleeding Edge just had an open Beta, Project Mara and of course the mind-blowing Hellblade 2
The Coalition - Getting ready to launch Gears Tactics and no doubt working on Gears 6
InXile - Can't remember what they are working on, probably another WRPG
Playground 1 -The always popular and high scoring Forza Horizon
Playground 2 - Fable reboot
Turn 10 - Forza MS
343 - The Xbox flagship - Halo Infinite
The Initiative - I think they actually ARE just sitting around shooting the ship - that's what their PR videos indicate
I don't know/recall what their other studios are working on but I don't think that sad Sony fanboy trope of 'Xbox don't got no games' is going to fly next gen, you'll need to come up with something else.
eNT1TY
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I'm not so sure about that, it takes a few clicks in the bios to lock your clocks even on all cores. You would only do so if after testing for stability and being certain your component can handle it. If ms went with variable boost clocks they can probably occasionally hit 13.5 TF.
KlickKlack
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LostDonkey
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that is the best troll today
What he's forgetting though is that Sony needed 18 cu' s to reach 1.84 TF and ms just did 1.87tf with 2 less only 16!!!
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Clear
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Its the same people they marketed the One X at. basically a minority for whom power is a big deal but apparently are impervious to the charms of PC gaming,
GriffinCorp
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This right here. I can't believe the gap is that large. Basically a whole PS4 TF of difference.
nikolino840
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MidgarBlowedUp
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Do we know how much power is going to the OS on these consoles? I'd like to know how much power/ram will actually get used for games vs os.
nikolino840
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There's the amd smart shift
MiyazakiHatesKojima
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This is exactly what's gonna happen except on GAF.
TBiddy
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Of course Gaf will appreciate that the PS5 is one of the best consoles ever designed. It's just not the best. That title belongs to XSX.
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Wandering Leopard
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Assumption:
I think the rational was to enable devs to to get up to speed with the platform more quickly.
Cerny mentioned it at the start of the presentation, but I'm no developer so who knows.
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That will be the case, that’s how it works ... that’s why fixed clocks are better , but 9.2 looked shit on paper next to 12, so they gotta do something...
TheKingOfPain
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Ok, I won't pretend I fully understand the tech lingo, so I'm going to bluntly ask: what is this difference really supposed to mean for a third party game? 4k60 on XSeX and 4k30 on PS5? 4k60 on both, but with different Image Quality? Considering I have a 1080p screen (no HDR), how much will the difference impact my experience? Is it even possible to say yet?
Sorry if I sound ignorant, but in the end this is what I care to know.
Sorry if I sound ignorant, but in the end this is what I care to know.
eNT1TY
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I seriously doubt a 4k/30 to 4k/60 split on games with only a 2TF differnce. If the ps5 is in full tilt to run something at 4k/30 the x will probably run it with the same exertion at 4k/40ish. That's when VRR gets to flex. I expect more of a difference in lod transitions/draw distances favorign the x like higher detail on distant shadows more visible distant light sources and the such on like for like scenarios targeting the same performance; things you would really need to look for but will be apparent when you do.
Sw0pDiller
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Isn't vrr something that goes with the new architecture? Something both next gen consoles share?
Spukc
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bless you for this thread poopy poopVery proud of this thread.
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GymWolf
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better resolution
some more little details
more stable framerate
if sex is 4k60, ps5 is gonna be fake 4k or 1800p or 4k and unstable 60 frame with a mix of medium-low.
(with faster loading times and maybe less pop in on ps5)
maybe the ssd or that strange boost is gonna help to mitigate differences, but historically multy are almost always better in the hardware with more raw power.
exclusives are gonna be on par technically and only the talent of the various studios it's gonna be important.
but i can see sony studios having a little edge overall, microsoft still has something to prove in terms of graphics except for forza horizon and ori, a cinematic in engine of hellblade 2 is not enough of a proof right now.
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Buki1
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You know that band was called Blink-182, right?
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Insane Metal
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Well he's nuts, don't worry about that
nordique
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At the end of the day, the SX is more powerful based on the specs alone
The price is another consideration though.
In 2013 the ps4 was a no brainer - more powerful and cheaper and a smaller than the competition
If ps5 can come in cheaper, it will make it’s a tough decision especially if games look the same
If they’re the same price, The SX will be a better deal presuming third party parity
Most gamers will end up buying both regardless, if it’s one or the other and you don’t care for fanboy wars, the XS is more attractive at this point in time
We still haven’t seen the games themselves nor what the ps5 actually looks like, nor launch lineup, nor pricing...there’s just so much more than just power to be considered overall
But on power alone, SX is ahead. Can’t argue with the specs.
The price is another consideration though.
In 2013 the ps4 was a no brainer - more powerful and cheaper and a smaller than the competition
If ps5 can come in cheaper, it will make it’s a tough decision especially if games look the same
If they’re the same price, The SX will be a better deal presuming third party parity
Most gamers will end up buying both regardless, if it’s one or the other and you don’t care for fanboy wars, the XS is more attractive at this point in time
We still haven’t seen the games themselves nor what the ps5 actually looks like, nor launch lineup, nor pricing...there’s just so much more than just power to be considered overall
But on power alone, SX is ahead. Can’t argue with the specs.
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ipukespiders
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Rightisright
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There is no replacement for displacement.
Think of the PS5 as a turbo 4 cylinder car, while the XSX is a high torque V8.
Think of the PS5 as a turbo 4 cylinder car, while the XSX is a high torque V8.
DForce
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Well, according to Xbox fans, these games don't matter because only a few gamers care about exclusive\console exclusive games, right?
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
You know what, you are exactly right. That's just one more reason why the salty Sony folks need to come up with something better than "Xbox don't gots no games" to feel better about their weakass next gen machine.
The narrative of faster and narrow and more balanced has to stop.
This is simply history repeating itself with the show on the other foot.
Some facts
The Xbox One launched with 12 CU's at 933mhz
The PS4 launched with 18 CU's at 800mhz..
The PS4 had 50% more CU count than the Xbox One
The Xbox had 16% more speed.
The XSX has 52 CU's at 1823mhz
The PS4 has 36 Cu's at up to 2233mhz
The XSX has 44% more CU count than PS5
The Ps4 has up to 22% more speed.
We've heard wasted cycles, and balanced before.
That's from 2013 Xbox One interview Digital Foundry did when MS was getting slammed for having 12 vs 18 Cu's.
We all know how this ended up working.
We all know how this played across the generation.
Stop hoping for something different this gen.
This is simply history repeating itself with the show on the other foot.
Some facts
The Xbox One launched with 12 CU's at 933mhz
The PS4 launched with 18 CU's at 800mhz..
The PS4 had 50% more CU count than the Xbox One
The Xbox had 16% more speed.
The XSX has 52 CU's at 1823mhz
The PS4 has 36 Cu's at up to 2233mhz
The XSX has 44% more CU count than PS5
The Ps4 has up to 22% more speed.
We've heard wasted cycles, and balanced before.
That's from 2013 Xbox One interview Digital Foundry did when MS was getting slammed for having 12 vs 18 Cu's.
We all know how this ended up working.
We all know how this played across the generation.
Stop hoping for something different this gen.
Alebrije
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This but with Cerni face instead.nothing more needs to be posted
Justin9mm
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XSX is up to 12.1.. It depends on development/developer.. 10.28 can be sustained just like XSX.. Did you actually watch the presentation.
VCL
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source?
Justin9mm
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Different type of tech.. The CU's were not the same in comparison. You're just trying to shoot down any positives about it. The performance gap difference between XSX vs PS5 is not the same as PS4 vs Xbox One. It just isn't. I'm not saying Xbox isn't more powerful but the noticeable difference will be very minor at best. Even less than X to Pro.
TTOOLL
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This is game cubes tapped together logic. This is NOT how it works.
I can't anymore who is serious and who is just trolling.
grfunkulus
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Nope. Sony left us to speculate and doubt for weeks and weeks after MS's announcements. They could have come out VERY clearly and dispelled all these rumors and they didn't. Anyone without an agenda can figure out why.
Question me all day long. I have no console allegiance. I just call 'em like I see 'em.
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HaveButOneLife
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Xbox One X was one PS4 above the Pro but we won't talk about that.
Justin9mm
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Source for what? The sky is blue, you want a source for that?
You are confused with Cerny's wording.. The XSX 12.1 is their highest compute power. Just because Spencer didn't say up to doesn't mean everything will be developed and running at maximum capacity of 12.1.
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SleepDoctor
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Xsx is locked, so therefore 12.18 all the time.
Ps5 is 9.2 and overclocking tf out of itself for a measly extra flop. At least get more creative spinning.
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