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[Kacho]

Just saw this and figured we should discuss.

Why the devs thought this was necessary is beyond me. These types of decisions immediately make your product a lightning rod for controversy.

Now the question is, is a one off or is Avowed infested with identity politics nonsense? Where there's smoke there's fire as we saw with Veilguard and the top scars option.

Musk chimes in

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[Xtib81]

I imagine it will be in every game developed by a western studio from now on, sadly..

 

[Aurelius]

 

[TommyCronin6969]

Oh no pronouns

 

[mhirano]

Pronouns are EVEN MORE necessary in a fantasy game. How the fuck am I supposed to know if this Orc I'm talking to is a male or a female?
Stop bitching about nothing, guys. Just enjoy the games

 

[cormack12]

 

[cormack12]

Pronouns are EVEN MORE necessary in a fantasy game. How the fuck am I supposed to know if this Orc I'm talking to is a male or a female?
Stop bitching about nothing, guys. Just enjoy the games

Can orcs kiss? You seem well up on orc lore

 

[radiant_ch]

I haven't placed a message on this noble Board in a while and now I'm feeling forced to.

Sadly I'm about to agree with you Sir:

I imagine it will be in every game developed by a western studio from now on, sadly..

 

[Lions Gate]

Pronouns are EVEN MORE necessary in a fantasy game. How the fuck am I supposed to know if this Orc I'm talking to is a male or a female?
Stop bitching about nothing, guys. Just enjoy the games

 

[Imru’ al-Qays]

What about body types A and B

 

[winjer]

This game's pronouns are She/It

 

[RedC]

 

[Zathalus]

Hogwarts Legacy and BG3 both had pronouns. It’s irrelevant to the actual quality of the game. The game will be bad or good depending on other factors that matter far more.

 

[jshackles]

I mean, if it just said "Male" instead of "(He/Him)" in OP's screenshot, it would look just like every other RPG released in the last 30 years while conveying approximately the same information.

 

[Rudius]

Another non-buynary game

 

[The Skull]

 

[Hollowpoint5557]

I mean, if it doesn't have pronouns for my body type 1 character how am I going to know to select between lesbian scissoring or gay power bottoming in my romance dialog choices? That is why pronouns are so important in these situations.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Another reason to skip this one, thanks Phil.

 

[XXL]

This game's pronouns are She/It

 

[onnextflix5]

Pronouns are EVEN MORE necessary in a fantasy game. How the fuck am I supposed to know if this Orc I'm talking to is a male or a female?
Stop bitching about nothing, guys. Just enjoy the games

why the fuck would u need to know the gender of a orc, are u trying to mate with it or something.

 

[Werewolf Jones]

Did The Outer World have pronouns?

 

[Embearded]

Oh great, now i won't have to do push ups!

 

[Big Baller]

Another reason to skip this game

 

[TintoConCasera]

Did The Outer World have pronouns?

Not that I remember, but it had you playing cupid between two lesbians.

Riveting role-playing sci-fi gameplay.

 

[simpatico]

I'm old enough to remember when Tencent having influence on game development was seen as a bad thing. Now, it's the only thing that can save us.

 

[darrylgorn]

Well if Elon Husk is angry about it, then it's time to find my pitchfork.

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

welp f that game

 

[Rocinante618]

At this point I don’t think it’s rational to discuss or argue - some developers will ship games with pronouns and some won’t.

As a customer you should or can do:

• Ignore it as they have no impact on the gameplay.
• If it bothers you - get a mod that removes it.
• Ultimately, don’t buy the game.

Solved.

 

[Danteyke223]

God I don't fucking care about pronouns, it can be in the game or not, as long as I enjoy the game I don't care. ÍThis whole grift and bullshit from Grummz is tiring. They'll immediately turn a corner once the game is successful and pretend they never tried to brigader against the game

 

[DavidGzz]

What about body types A and B

This. You all boycott Demon's Souls? Now, if this has several in game conversations ala Veilguard, I'll get it. But until that is revealed. Idgaf.

 

[EviLore]

Did The Outer World have pronouns?

It features a space station of virtuous communist female engineers called The Groundbreaker that stands as a lone beacon of fairness and righteousness in opposition to the evil male capitalists of the galaxy, so I don't think pronouns are its main issue one way or another.

 

[Coloress_Kafka]

Pronouns are EVEN MORE necessary in a fantasy game. How the fuck am I supposed to know if this Orc I'm talking to is a male or a female?
Stop bitching about nothing, guys. Just enjoy the games

Well ideally the orcs wouldn’t be wearing clothing so we can determine this easily.

 

[adamsapple]

God I don't fucking care about pronouns, it can be in the game or not, as long as I enjoy the game I don't care. ÍThis whole grift and bullshit from Grummz is tiring. They'll immediately turn a corner once the game is successful and pretend they never tried to brigader against the game

Remember how quickly be backpedaled on the whole Veilguard "review guidelines" bullshit he tried to peddle, lol.

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

Pronouns are EVEN MORE necessary in a fantasy game. How the fuck am I supposed to know if this Orc I'm talking to is a male or a female?
Stop bitching about nothing, guys. Just enjoy the games

I mean - I've been playing games for 35 years. I've never had this problem you're talking about, even in fantasy games. In fact, perhaps I'm mistaken, but I'm pretty sure they were all labeled clearly with terms that made sense historically.

Nothing about this is "necessary" in a fantasy game.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Wonder if a certain demographic keeps the same energy they had for Concord.

 

[Werewolf Jones]

Not that I remember, but it had you playing cupid between two lesbians.

Riveting role-playing sci-fi gameplay.

It features a space station of virtuous communist female engineers called The Groundbreaker that stands as a lone beacon of fairness and righteousness in opposition to the evil male capitalists of the galaxy, so I don't think pronouns are its main issue one way or another.

I enjoyed it when I played it in 2020 but there's a clear difference between old Obsidian and Neo-Obsidian. ‍♂

 

[NeoGiffer]

 

[Mayar]

I can actually live with this inscription in the menu, I am least interested in it even if they add pink unicorns there, let them have fun if they don't have more serious tasks and they consider it important. The main thing is that it doesn't affect the dialogues and the plot of the game. If it gets there and has a direct impact on the dialogues and the story and it is not integrated into the world of the game or explained by the lore of the game, roughly speaking, added purely for show to comply with the "norms", then we really have big problems.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Anytime I see pronouns in an email signature I immediately assume the person is a moron. Antinoun 4 lyfe!!!

 

[rofif]

He She is ok.
They them is nonsense

 

[Dazraell]

I had a feeling this modern crap may appear in Avowed considering game director pushes this nonsense on twitter

 

[nkarafo]

Pronouns are EVEN MORE necessary in a fantasy game. How the fuck am I supposed to know if this Orc I'm talking to is a male or a female?

But what if an Orc is male and it uses she/her anyway? Let alone "they/them"?

That's more confusing than not knowing.

Because you do know these pronouns are not really supposed to represent what gender one is supposed to be, but rather what gender one would wishes to be.

 

[Black_Stride]

If this is what turns you off the game, you probably need to reevaluate your hobby.

I find it so weid that people are stuck up on this issue.
Which side is the snowflakes again?

 

[Shake Your Rump]

Demon's Souls

I'd argue that it is meaningless in Demon's Souls. I mean, even your character's name is meaningless, as it is never used in the game. The issue is in games where gender is obviously used, but intentionally mislabeled. For example, Dragon Quest III used A/B, but throughout the game, items and characters clearly refer to these as being a man or woman.

This is the same. It could say "man" or "male", but instead shoehorns the very modern "he/him". Imagine watching a movie set in Ancient Rome and someone announces his pronouns. It's jarring and completely unnecessary.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

If this is what turns you off the game, you probably need to reevaluate your hobby.

I find it so weid that people are stuck up on this issue.
Which side is the snowflakes again?

The side of science that doesn’t want to live in other people’s delusions.

 

[acm2000]

oh no, anyway

calling everything woke is more woke than the thing they are calling woke at this point.

 

[TintoConCasera]

If this is what turns you off the game, you probably need to reevaluate your hobby.

I find it so weid that people are stuck up on this issue.
Which side is the snowflakes again?

I mean, yeah, if the game has stuff I don't like then I won't spend my money on it. Simple as that.

 

[Black_Stride]

I mean, yeah, if the game has stuff I don't like then I won't spend my money on it. Simple as that.

And character having genders irks you so much you'd skip a game because of it?

 

[Skifi28]

It's not just having pronouns that is the issue. Why do I need my character stat screens to show my pronouns? It's my character I'm roleplaying as, why do I need to see it visually every time I open the menu? It's just idiotic design.