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[TintoConCasera]

Im sure your purchase will be missed.

Nah it won't lol. But it's as they say, "vote with your wallet" an all that. As a consumer it's the only thing I can do besides screaming into the void that's the internet.

Even if we don't agree on the pronouns matter I'm sure you understand this.

Cute anime girl btw.

 

[DragoonKain]

Pronouns are EVEN MORE necessary in a fantasy game. How the fuck am I supposed to know if this Orc I'm talking to is a male or a female?
Stop bitching about nothing, guys. Just enjoy the games

Not technically true. It can simply say "male" or "female." The fact that he does it in the "he/him" format is an indicator it's an ideological addition to appease a specific audience.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

If this is what turns you off the game, you probably need to reevaluate your hobby.

I find it so weid that people are stuck up on this issue.
Which side is the snowflakes again?

Both sides are snowflakes now, it’s hilarious.

 

[nemiroff]

I'm as "anti-woke" as most common sense people are. But if Elon Musk is against it, I'm just gonna go ahead and be for it. Fuck that PoS clown.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I mean it's not that crazy - everyone has a preferred pronoun and in modern business you aren't always dealing with names that you are familiar with.
"Can you tell Haiyan that he needs to get working on that proposal"
"Haiyan is a woman"

I know a Kim and a Stacey that are both men, there are likely a lot of names that can be used for either gender

 

[poppabk]

Not technically true. It can simply say "male" or "female." The fact that he does it in the "he/him" format is an indicator it's an ideological addition to appease a specific audience.

But fantasy can mess with the whole female/male thing if it wants. Clive Barker had a book with a whole 3rd sex that had genitalia that could either be fucked or could fuck.

 

[Revolutionary]

Dumb but whatever, it's not gonna ruin the game for me... unless there's a DA4 Trash-like character in the game.

 

[Tertullian]

Ah, I just saw like two articles that were trying way too hard to sell this game as the next big thing. "Return to form," "respects your time," "for the gamers," etc.

I could see the flop sweat, so I immediately thought, "oh no, what kind of shit did they shove in this game?" I'm getting good at this.

 

[dorkimoe]

Oh good now people can cheer for this game to fail cuz they can’t get past pronouns

 

[DragoonKain]

But fantasy can mess with the whole female/male thing if it wants. Clive Barker had a book with a whole 3rd sex that had genitalia that could either be fucked or could fuck.

C'mon. You know why they put it in the game. Let's be real here. People can not care about it and that's fine, but let's not pretend that we don't know why it's in the game. This was never in any of their games before and that was never ever a problem with characters and gender in previous games. It's an ideological flag wave.

 

[Zathalus]

But why have it at all?

So you welcome a very small subset of gamers to make them feel included all the while chasing off another subset of gamers who do hate this

It’s a fantasy RPG where you create a custom character. It’s such an easy flag to enable for a character creator so why not include it? Nothing that good writing can’t solve, BG3 handles it well while Dragon Age is terrible at it.

For a fantasy games like BG3 it even makes sense, getting your gender forcibly changed by a cursed item was something that could occur back with BG1, way back in 98.

 

[DelireMan7]

 

[Sanepar]

I will play but every aspect of this game resonate a veilguard schema clone.

 

[Kings Field]

Savior Musk speaking the truth as always.

 

[Aenima]

Personally i just see pronouns as red flags, of what could be a woke fest lecturing session kind of writing and messaging. Not a definitive indication that a game will be good or bad.

I mean, if anyone wants to roleplay as a they/them, go for it. So to me seeing pronouns in a game is just a warning sign for me to never pre-order and wait and see if the game is actually infested or not with woke agendas that dosent fit the setting of the game. I agree that pronouns dont fit a medieval fantasy setting, but if they are just in the character creator for DEI points, i dont really care.

 

[PandaOk]

Oh no pronouns

Time for snowflakes to get triggered!

 

[Holammer]

Behold the forbidden Mars & Venus symbols.
If a triple A game or Pokemon had them today, would it still be a big deal compared with 3-4 years ago?

ls

 

[John Bilbo]

Can you really be a war hero without pronouns?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

It’s a fantasy RPG where you create a custom character. It’s such an easy flag to enable for a character creator so why not include it? Nothing that good writing can’t solve, BG3 handles it well while Dragon Age is terrible at it.

For a fantasy games like BG3 it even makes sense, getting your gender forcibly changed by a cursed item was something that could occur back with BG1, way back in 98.

If the game is good no one will really care but if the game sucks sadly this will be pointed to as a huge reason it failed.

Just make me a good game and I will play it but my trust in certain people being able to spot a good game just isn’t there anymore

 

[Lucifers Beard]

Do I have to select them or can I just bypass it? It's nice to have a choice not to buy into any of that where possible.

I'll probably play it regardless since I like the look of the game, I just don't see why any of that is necessary. I assume it makes no difference to the gameplay or story.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

Personally i just see pronouns as red flags, of what could be a woke fest lecturing session kind of writting and messaging. Not a definitive indication that a game will be good or bad.

I mean, if anyone wants to roleplay as a they/them, go for it. So to me seeing pronouns in a game is just a warning sign for me to never pre-order and wait and see if the game is actually infested or not with woke agendas that dosent fit the setting of the game. I agree that pronouns dont fit a medieval fantasy setting, but if they are just in the character creator for DEI points, i dont really care.

Exactly how I feel. It’s not a guarantee that it’ll be woke but it is a caution sign.

Outer Worlds definitely had hints of wokeness, self insert characters, and heavy handed messaging though. So I’d say more likely than not, they will have continued that trend in this game as well. I’ll be pleasantly surprised if I’m wrong

 

[fred420170]

Go to any corporate setting and almost everyone has their pro-nouns on their auto signature in outlook. We have two trainings on this a year to keep up with them all.. it's not that serious..

 

[Esparadrapo]

Man, I can't wait until this is implemented in all games and all these whiners switch hobbies. Dunno why I'm betting they won't warm up to reading books.

 

[Quasicat]

It features a space station of virtuous communist female engineers called The Groundbreaker that stands as a lone beacon of fairness and righteousness in opposition to the evil male capitalists of the galaxy, so I don't think pronouns are its main issue one way or another.

I saw that entire part of the game as satire…it probably wasn’t the intention of the developers, but it seemed so over the top to me.

 

[Astray]

Remember how quickly be backpedaled on the whole Veilguard "review guidelines" bullshit he tried to peddle, lol.

He's doing all of this to distract from the fact that he's taken 800k in funding with no actual progress on his game. And maybe get some Twitter gas money out of it.

 

[WoJ]

I wasn't buying it to begin with. But to those yelling "it's just pronouns what's the big deal?" You're either naive, intellectually dishonest or a liar. Or some combination of the three.

Let's not pretend pronoun inclusion doesn't indicate some sort of allegiance to a specific ideology. This stuff has only popped up the last few years to adhere to said specific ideology. Doesn't mean the game won't be good. But it does indicate certain themes or ideas may be present and the game may be used as a tool to push certain ideas.

This stuff simply didn't exist in gaming a decade ago. And in modern gaming it indicates a specific trend. Pretending it doesn't is dishonest.

 

[SJRB]

one of the best responses I’ve seen to those who say “Is just pronouns, who cares”

This.

Don’t normalise what isn’t normal, no matter how hard they try.

 

[graywolf323]

It features a space station of virtuous communist female engineers called The Groundbreaker that stands as a lone beacon of fairness and righteousness in opposition to the evil male capitalists of the galaxy, so I don't think pronouns are its main issue one way or another.

yeah after Outer Worlds I don’t know why anyone expected Avowed to not be filled with woke insanity

pronouns are likely going to be the least of this game’s problems (I’d love to be wrong though, I miss the Obsidian from before this decade where things have just jumped off a cliff)

 

[The Cockatrice]

How'd that work out for dragon age?

Oh right, it didn't.

Its a fine game. Stop being so triggered. The pronoun character wasnt even its biggest issue.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Every Western video game with a character creator has it now. It's just a sad fact.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Both sides are snowflakes now, it’s hilarious.

It’s not being a snowflake to live in reality and not appease the mentally ill. Can’t let people rewrite reality.

 

[thegame983]

Did these clowns not see the election results?

 

[Zathalus]

I wasn't buying it to begin with. But to those yelling "it's just pronouns what's the big deal?" You're either naive, intellectually dishonest or a liar. Or some combination of the three.

Let's not pretend pronoun inclusion doesn't indicate some sort of allegiance to a specific ideology. This stuff has only popped up the last few years to adhere to said specific ideology. Doesn't mean the game won't be good. But it does indicate certain themes or ideas may be present and the game may be used as a tool to push certain ideas.

This stuff simply didn't exist in gaming a decade ago. And in modern gaming it indicates a specific trend. Pretending it doesn't is dishonest.

I’m one of those that don’t think it’s a big deal. I’m not being naive or a liar either, I’m fully aware that the push has come from ideology. It’s just not an ideology I’m fully opposed to (although I don’t fully support all aspects of it either). Shocker I know, but some of us have trans or gay family in real life and don’t immediately get upset over things like this. That being said, some of it is extremely poorly handled, as a certain companion from Dragon Age proves. Jury is out if this game handles it any better. Or if it is even brought up outside of the character creator.

 

[adamsapple]

He's doing all of this to distract from the fact that he's taken 800k in funding with no actual progress on his game. And maybe get some Twitter gas money out of it.

It's very easy to go in the opposite direction of whatever argument gummz is pushing.

If the game is good no one will really care but if the game sucks sadly this will be pointed to as a huge reason it failed.

Just make me a good game and I will play it but my trust in certain people being able to spot a good game just isn’t there anymore

Here here.

Having pronouns options has not been a detractor for some of the best reviewed and selling games in recent times (Hogwarts / Baldurs Gate 3 etc).

A good game is a good game is a good game.

 

[Black_Stride]

Nah it won't lol. But it's as they say, "vote with your wallet" an all that. As a consumer it's the only thing I can do besides screaming into the void that's the internet.

Even if we don't agree on the pronouns matter I'm sure you understand this.

Cute anime girl btw.

Missing out on Baldurs Gate 3 or Cyperpunk 2077 because of its "Identity Politics" is just sad.

But anyway to each their own, such things dont bother me especially when they have little to no impact on the overall experience.

But vote with your wallet and all that jazz.

It probably wont actually change anything since RPGs with character creators are almost certainly gonna keep using pronouns going forward, it hurts no one, if you dont like they/them or whatever then dont choose they/them.
Its like hating the color red and deciding youll never play Gran Turismo because you can paint cars red.......just dont paint your car red.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Game looked crap based on that video a couple months ago narrated by two weird people ooohing and ahhhhing showing gameplay killing spiders.

 

[Zathalus]

Did these clowns not see the election results?

Let’s not pretend that the entire US is suddenly aligned a certain way. Trump still lost the popular vote and the margin was still very narrow. Biden won in 2020 while winning the popular vote but that didn’t signal a massive shift either.

 

[RoboFu]

Never have I seen a group of people so afraid of a subset of descriptive words.

Just look back to history .. every tyrant started with constant propaganda that grew and grew. This one has grown enough.

 

[Kacho]

I kickstarted Pillars of Eternity. Got the boxed copy on my shelf. Sad to see this franchise devolve like this.

 

[drotahorror]

I wasn't buying it to begin with. But to those yelling "it's just pronouns what's the big deal?" You're either naive, intellectually dishonest or a liar. Or some combination of the three.

Let's not pretend pronoun inclusion doesn't indicate some sort of allegiance to a specific ideology. This stuff has only popped up the last few years to adhere to said specific ideology. Doesn't mean the game won't be good. But it does indicate certain themes or ideas may be present and the game may be used as a tool to push certain ideas.

This stuff simply didn't exist in gaming a decade ago. And in modern gaming it indicates a specific trend. Pretending it doesn't is dishonest.

And lets not pretend pronouns are the only silly thing this game is doing. I can already imagine the mountain of shit this game is going to ply you with.

 

[Jinxed]

Then another game to ignore

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Missing out on Baldurs Gate 3 or Cyperpunk 2077 because of its "Identity Politics" is just sad.

But anyway to each their own, such things dont bother me especially when they have little to no impact on the overall experience.

But vote with your wallet and all that jazz.

It probably wont actually change anything since RPGs with character creators are almost certainly gonna keep using pronouns going forward, it hurts no one, if you dont like they/them or whatever then dont choose they/them.
Its like hating the color red and deciding youll never play Gran Turismo because you can paint cars red.......just dont paint your car red.

Depends on the game.

Political heavy games may preach to high heaven identity politics like veilguards absurd cutscenes. You can also have concord with DEI characters and no white people in a cast of 16 characters.

Nobody likes to be preached at whether it’s direct or indirect.

A simple solution is don’t include any politics in a video game and no gamers or streamers will have ammo to rag on it killing sales and labeling them a dei studio.

Why is it so hard for game studios to understand that when 99% of other companies do?

 

[Novaex]

Pronouns are a huge red flag and the remaining game has to be exceptionally good for me to consider buying it now

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Guaranteed this will be one of those games where the box art is the best thing about it.

 

[Fess]

Never have I seen a group of people so afraid of a subset of descriptive words.

It’s not about being afraid. Your gif fits how 99% of gamers feel when seeing the he/she/they/it labels front and center.
”Who gives a shit?”
It’s a game. Why is that nonsense there?

The reality is that it’s there for one reason only. It’s there to please and normalize a group of people stuck in some identity crisis confused about their gender.

I still live in a world where 1 second after birth you get labelled boy or girl as soon as they see your genitals.
When clothed you can’t identify a baby boy from a girl without some hint through clothing style or hair. Then you ask the parents.
But an adult? Asking is absurd and having to label yourself as a man or woman when you can be seen is stupid. That label isn’t needed. I don’t need a sign telling me that an elephant is an elephant and not a horse either.

 

[Raven117]

Hogwarts Legacy and BG3 both had pronouns. It’s irrelevant to the actual quality of the game. The game will be bad or good depending on other factors that matter far more.

All that matters.

 

[Xaeroxcore666]

Then they will get the pronouns fuck/you on sales wise.

 

[Outlier]

What about body types A and B

At this point it'd be best to NOT label the bodies and only show the shapes to select.
Then (if included) choose whether you have a vag, peen, or eunuch.
And (if character is not predefined) only refer to character by their code name.


Won't matter, though. Those afflicted with the woke virus will find SOMETHING to complain about, because its not about recognition. It's about power over others.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

It’s not about being afraid. Your gif fits how 99% of gamers feel when seeing the he/she/they/it labels front and center.
”Who gives a shit?”
It’s a game. Why is that nonsense there?

The reality is that it’s there for one reason only. It’s there to please and normalize a group of people stuck in some identity crisis confused about their gender.

I still live in a world where 1 second after birth you get labelled boy or girl as soon as they see your genitals.
When clothed you can’t identify a baby boy from a girl without some hint through clothing style or hair. Then you ask the parents.
But an adult? Asking is absurd and having to label yourself as a man or woman when you can be seen is stupid. That label isn’t needed. I don’t need a sign telling me that an elephant is an elephant and not a horse either.

The stupid thing about identity politics too is that on one hand they all want to be treated the same and blend in and “most people wouldn’t even know unless we told you”.

Well if that’s the case then why would a video game need to blatantly say it so that everyone suddenly knows? What’s with the Hey look at me attitude now?

Concord was hilarious because you got pronouns in a shooter game of all genres. Lol

 

[Scary_Larry]

“They’re eating the primordials, they’re eating the beasts!”