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[Skifi28]

At this point its safe to say PS5's BC solution is trash. There's no debating that now.

People are really becoming emotional. Let's not forget that before the release of the console there was speculation that there was no BC at all or that only 100 games would run and crap like that. PS5 BC is not trash, it's exactly what ps4 BC should look like, playing pretty much all PS4 games the same or better. Personally I didn't even expect games could be PS5 aware so they can double framerates as easily as they do with a small patch. Microsoft going above and beyond with their solution should not be confused with a different approach being bad. What seems the most interesting to me is that months after the new consoles, there are still new games releasing with no native versions.

 

[DarkMage619]

I don't need to tell you anything Mage lmao. You know full well what's happening here you're just playing the retard today for some reason

PS5 games are locked to either a PS4 or Pro profile. But you already knew this.

Yes, bitching about a group of people that's completely unrelated to the thread is warring, but again, i'm sure you already knew this

Dude the devs said 'technical issues'! If the PS5 is running BC mode then that is working as intended! There is nothing technically wrong with the PS5 because it is doing what it was designed to do with PS4 games and that's just play them as is. They said they disabled 4k mode. Does that even exist with PS5 BC? It seems like a pretty odd way to phrase something if things are just working the way it should. Retarded is simply saying 'BC hur hur' and not using any critical thinking to question what is going on. Asking a question is not warring. I was not the one saying it's BC.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Dude the devs said 'technical issues'! If the PS5 is running BC mode then that is working as intended! There is nothing technically wrong with the PS5 because it is doing what it was designed to do with PS4 games and that's just play them as is. They said they disabled 4k mode. Does that even exist with PS5 BC? It seems like a pretty odd way to phrase something if things are just working the way it should. Retarded is simply saying 'BC hur hur' and not using any critical thinking to question what is going on. Asking a question is not warring. I was not the one saying it's BC.

I didn't say you were warring because you asked a question.

Try to keep up

 

[DarkMage619]

They probably tried to run it at 4k but with what hardware is accessible in the BC modes it didn't run well enough, so they cut the resolution down to a quarter.
Xbox can run the game 4k 60 even without a next gen patch.

Now this is some critical thinking. You'd figure the PS5 BC would be pretty established at this point. Odd they'd try something that would be destined to fail seeing how Sony never intended the PS5 BC to upgrade PS4 games. Perhaps there is a way to unlock better performance from the PS5 for PS4 games. I wonder if this is something Sony could do.

I'm seeing people discussing these things unnecessary lately.
IMO Sony's BC works really well, just like intended. Why? Because it is what the name says it is, "Backwards Compatibility". These patches from PS4/PS4Pro only adds an additional option that it's less "PS5" and more "PS4Pro B". It's a "Performance Mode Plus".

It's naturally being compared, and criticized, with Microsoft's solution, but let's not forget that what are being compared is fundamentally different. What Microsoft is offering ( after years of investing paying off) is "Forward Compatibility".

Knowing and not forgetting this will prevent a lot of unnecessary discussion about why X doesn't do that, why Y don't does this, why Z works like that.

This is a good point. Perhaps only the PS5 running PS4 games should actually be called BC seeing how there is a lot more than BC going on with the Xbox.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

I'm not gonna lie, at first it was funny to watch some meltdowns and people not being able to cope with reality, but come on guys. Y'all clearly aint incapable of reading the thread title. It's about BIOMUTANT. Not sure why people are bringing up R&C, TLOU2, GoT, etc.... We know what those games look like, and it's stupid to derail this thread, when there are many threads specifically dedicated for R&C, TLOU2, GoT, etc...




Seriously, get a grip.
















This game looks pretty fun and might have some potential. Almost preordered it, till I saw it is single player only. This would be cool with some friends. I'll probably still get it either way.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Honestly I don't see how this shows the PS5 to be underpowered. Which is what some are suggesting here.

We know better than that. There's an issue, and it's supposedly not a native release.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I'm not gonna lie, at first it was funny to watch some meltdowns and people not being able to cope with reality, but come on guys. Y'all clearly aint incapable of reading the thread title. It's about BIOMUTANT. Not sure why people are bringing up R&C, TLOU2, GoT, etc.... We know what those games look like, and it's stupid to derail this thread, when there are many threads specifically dedicated for R&C, TLOU2, GoT, etc...




Seriously, get a grip.
















This game looks pretty fun and might have some potential. Almost preordered it, till I saw it is single player only. This would be cool with some friends. I'll probably still get it either way.

Bringing those games on derails the thread. But I agree with you that the developer says things will be better for the PS5. People having meltdowns need to accept that it will improve.

 

[MasterCornholio]

We know better than that. There's an issue, and it's supposedly not a native release.

Some people don't though. Developers already said it would get better.

 

[prinz_valium]

Is this on Gamepass?

 

[Jigsaah]

Does this mean they don't have a retail Series S or Series dev kit (which can be toggled to run like a Series S) at their studio's office?
If it's indeed what they say, that would mean that they haven't even tested the Series S specific config.

C'mon Xbox, you send XSXs to youtubers who would more likely shit on your console and you can't shoot these guys an XSS? Get it together, man!

 

[bender]

Hate to say it because it looks interesting, but this has some bomba potential. With the PS5/XSX versions not coming at launch, it's probably best to wait and save some coin.

 

[MasterCornholio]

No one said either tools were broken, simply that at the current state, the tools are limiting the console from running at full potential. This is from developers, not people pulling shit out their arse.

Here's just one of many statements.

I don't know about that. Seems like the last few comparisons the XSX is performing slightly better than the PS5 which seems like it's performing as it should.

Are you saying the differences should be larger and that tools are still a problem?

 

[Insane Metal]

Hahahaha oh dear.

Imagine if it was the other way around... lol.

XSX users feeling good rn.

Edit:

4K 60 for me, vindication is such a great feeling.

LOLOLOLOL

 

[DeceptiveAlarm]

Anyone want to traid me for a xbox series x yet

 

[dcmk7]

Hahahaha oh dear.

Imagine if it was the other way around... lol.

XSX users feeling good rn.

Edit:



LOLOLOLOL

But why exactly?

Do BC wins mean something now?

Struggling to see why anyone would be fizzing at the gash in excitement because of this tbh.

 

[Kimahri]

I wonder what the technical issues are on PS5? Based on many developer comments and the fans here it was always the easiest console to develop native games on. I'd figure the Xbox would have issues before PS5.

Your use of always and past tense here insinuates devs have had years to play around with these consoles to get to know their ins and outs, while they're just getting started.

A little early to be talking about always, yeah?

 

[The Wheel of Fortune]

Threads like this always bring out the best in you lads, don't they? Lovely.

1080p max is weird, though. I'll wait for a patch or a proper current-gen version then.

 

[Vestal]

The way Microsoft evolved their OS in the Xbox one and series X is paying off in spades right now. The type of BC you are seeing now is because of the way they containerized all games to run independently of the OS in a sense. They are so far ahead in the OS nuts and bolts department of the competition and it shows in BC now and in the future.

Sony should take a step back and really rethink their OS for the PS5 and future consoles. Microsoft had to do it during the Xbox One gen to simply offer up something to gamers in the way of BC with 360 and OG titles. That single move made out of desperation is now paying for itself.

 

[Dodkrake]

The way Microsoft evolved their OS in the Xbox one and series X is paying off in spades right now. The type of BC you are seeing now is because of the way they containerized all games to run independently of the OS in a sense. They are so far ahead in the OS nuts and bolts department of the competition and it shows in BC now and in the future.

Sony should take a step back and really rethink their OS for the PS5 and future consoles. Microsoft had to do it during the Xbox One gen to simply offer up something to gamers in the way of BC with 360 and OG titles. That single move made out of desperation is now paying for itself.

Here's the thing - Sony's BC solution works perfectly, it just doesn't have the excellent features XBox's one has. As a BC console, the PS5 runs games just fine. It's ok though, because the Xbox has no exclusives, so it has to justify it's existence somehow.

 

[Epic Sax CEO]

People are really becoming emotional. Let's not forget that before the release of the console there was speculation that there was no BC at all or that only 100 games would run and crap like that. PS5 BC is not trash, it's exactly what ps4 BC should look like, playing pretty much all PS4 games the same or better. Personally I didn't even expect games could be PS5 aware so they can double framerates as easily as they do with a small patch. Microsoft going above and beyond with their solution should not be confused with a different approach being bad. What seems the most interesting to me is that months after the new consoles, there are still new games releasing with no native versions.

Someone remember me because I don't remember now.
About the boxes compatibility, is with all games or just the games that Microsoft officially supports?

 

[MonarchJT]

People are really becoming emotional. Let's not forget that before the release of the console there was speculation that there was no BC at all or that only 100 games would run and crap like that. PS5 BC is not trash, it's exactly what ps4 BC should look like, playing pretty much all PS4 games the same or better. Personally I didn't even expect games could be PS5 aware so they can double framerates as easily as they do with a small patch. Microsoft going above and beyond with their solution should not be confused with a different approach being bad. What seems the most interesting to me is that months after the new consoles, there are still new games releasing with no native versions.

well cmon when a new crossgen game is releasing and is 4k/60 on one console and full HD on the other there are who knows what conclusions to draw except that one system is better than the other for that game . and in this case much better

 

[StreetsofBeige]

4k/60 on XSX, 1440/30 on XSS, 1080/60 on PS5​

So which one is better? 1440/30 on a $300 machine or 1080/60 on a $500 machine?

 

[TGO]

 

[trikster40]

Geez this thread makes me miss the civility of the politics section lol.

Nobody should be surprised that XSX BC is superior to PS5. MS built that machine with enhanced BC in mind. At least wait until they fix whatever is causing the PS5 hiccups.

 

[MonarchJT]

Here's the thing - Sony's BC solution works perfectly, it just doesn't have the excellent features XBox's one has. As a BC console, the PS5 runs games just fine. It's ok though, because the Xbox has no exclusives* , so it has to justify it's existence somehow.

* except those it has

fixed for ya

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

well cmon when a new crossgen game is releasing and is 4k/60 on one console and full HD on the other there are who knows what conclusions to draw except that one system is better than the other for that game . and in this case much better

The conclusion to draw is the same as all the other last gen games with these wild differences

Xbox has the better bc solution

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Geez this thread makes me miss the civility of the politics section lol.

Nobody should be surprised that XSX BC is superior to PS5. MS built that machine with enhanced BC in mind. At least wait until they fix whatever is causing the PS5 hiccups.

Yes and no. Vs. Series X ok X should win.

But against Series S at 4 tf? No way. PS5 should be able to brute force it to at least beat S.

 

[Labadal]

I'll live. I'm keeping my PS4 pre-order.

 

[trikster40]

Yes and no. Vs. Series X ok X should win.

But against Series S at 4 tf? No way. PS5 should be able to brute force it to at least beat S.

Right now, it’s running it EXACTLY as the PS4 Pro. That’s called backwards comparability. They had to disable any PS5 enhancements.

 

[MonarchJT]

The conclusion to draw is the same as all the other last gen games with these wild differences

Xbox has the better bc solution

is a new game ..stop to act like if we are talking about 90's game a that everyone has played and not worth talking about.....is just a NEW crossgen game that run lot better on xbox. when they patch (next gen features) hopefully the two versions will be closer

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

is a new game ..stop to act like if we are talking about 90's game a that everyone has played and not worth talking about.....is just a NEW crossgen game that run lot better on xbox

It doesn't matter if it's a new game or an old game. Both are going to run into the same issues if they're not native ports.

You keep saying crossgen like it means anything yet

 

[DarkMage619]

Hate to say it because it looks interesting, but this has some bomba potential. With the PS5/XSX versions not coming at launch, it's probably best to wait and save some coin.

I wonder how different the XSX native version would be? It's pretty nifty the X1 version got so many upgrades running on the new hardware.

 

[MonarchJT]

It doesn't matter if it's a new game or an old game

Both are going to run into the same issues if they're not native ports.

You keep saying crossgen like it means anything yet

both same issues? did your read the title?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

both same issues? did your read the title?

Read what I said again

 

[MonarchJT]

Read what I said again

well i don't get what you mean by both ...sorry

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

well i don't get what you mean by both ...sorry

I'm refering to the new game vs old game, not the consoles

 

[StreetsofBeige]

At this point its safe to say PS5's BC solution is trash. There's no debating that now.

Pretty much. It seems to be going like this:

- Game studio makes cross-gen game (Xbox One/S|X and PS4/PS5)
- PS5 version will max out at PS4 Pro res, but PS5 can boost frame rate and loading time
- PS5 version can be boosted more, but devs have to sink more time into it, while it seems Xbox S/X BC seems to make it quicker for devs to do more boosts like 4k
- Series X and PS5 can be close in res and graphics if the dev makes dedicated next gen versions

So for PS5 gamers, the best hope is every cross gen game that comes out the dev makes the PS5 version more of a dedicated version. Or else it'll be PS4 Pro with better frame rate and loading time.

 

[itsjustJEFF]

Damn, I got excited about a native next-gen version

The game looks interesting, at least everything I've seen of it. I guess I'll wait on that news that THQ is going to drop, hopefully its good news.

 

[MonarchJT]

I'm refering to the new game vs old game, not the consoles

okay get it (my English sucks for real!)
well the truth is that the more time passes, the more evident it is that the BC solution used in the PS5 is certainly not future proof. And what if a ps5pro comes out? it will still be tied to the PS4 settings? and in the PS6 will finally decide to virtualize the emulated machine or will continue with this pseudo hw emulation .... well cerny or who for him just dropped the ball here

 

[Neofire]

Hold up.....a high Fidelity and frame rate on the xss then the ps5? Yeah nothing fishy there

 

[kingpotato]

If this is a BC game, why isn't it 4k 120fps on Xbox Series X? Sounds like their are technical issues on each release.

 

[Craig of War]

Xbox is flexing it muscle now?

 

[LMJ]

The chest beating and excuses in this thread are embarrassing (seriously every damn BC thread is at this point)

people...*ahem* NEITHER CONSOLE IS USING ANYWHERE NEAR THEIR FULL POWER HERE...give MS and their OS solution credit though

Sony diehards, write Ryan and company and ask for a better software solution so that if there IS a PS5 pro it can accomplish the same kind of boosts the XseX enjoy.

X diehards quit doing a happy dance after every BC victory...your legs will get tired lol but seriously it is annoying

This console war stuff

On topic this game looks great and this has pushed me to get the X version as it looks the most stable of the current gen...

 

[kingpotato]

What OP didn't share, btw





So basically, they deactivated native 4k on the PS5 back compat version, none of them are current gen versions. Congrats!

Any chance the technical issues are the chance to sell the game twice instead of a free upgrade? Why give native 4k at 60fps for free now when you can charge for it in 6 months and recoup a little more development costs?

I don't really know the "new" THQ's business practice, but SquareEnix did this with FF7REMAKE so I wouldn't be surprised at this point.

Same for xbox series. Why isn't it 120 fps like the other BC games?

 

[Darlingcognito]

Here for the spin

Seriously though the Xbox runs rings around the ps5 hardware wise. It's easier just to admit to this fact.

 

[Polygonal_Sprite]

Meanwhile at insomniac….

Using a game that runs at 30fps in its default mode and all marketing material

 

[01011001]

What OP didn't share, btw





So basically, they deactivated native 4k on the PS5 back compat version, none of them are current gen versions. Congrats!

this only matters for console warriors.
as consumer information that is supposed to help people decide which version to get, it is absolutely not of any interest if the game is a native app or not. you buy a game for platform (A) and it performs like (performance profile 1), you buy a game for platform (B) and it performs like (performance profile 2)

why one platform has (performance profile 1) and the other (performance profile 2) is of no relevance to the consumer

anyone with any knowledge and critical thinking, that also calls themselves "gamer" will know that this is not a native app since it is clearly said that the next gen versions will come later, so it doesn't need to be explicitly stated on a "gaming" forum, as it is assumed that people on here aren't completely uninformed normies that don't know shit

 

[Demon2blades]

okay get it (my English sucks for real!)
well the truth is that the more time passes, the more evident it is that the BC solution used in the PS5 is certainly not future proof. And what if a ps5pro comes out? it will still be tied to the PS4 settings? and in the PS6 will finally decide to virtualize the emulated machine or will continue with this pseudo hw emulation .... well cerny or who for him just dropped the ball here

Hopefully last gen will be dropped fully by the time a ps5 pro comes out .

 

[Three]

Meanwhile at insomniac….

Tools of destruction

 

[fallingdove]

And probably has 20 times the budget, and manpower for that matter.

Anyway i dont get where the hype for this game has come ftrom the last month or so, its got 6/10 written all over it. Even the people who have played it have tried to warn people.

Is there hype for this game? it has looked like trash every time I have seen it in motion. The animations are particularly awful.