Arkam
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Just like they did from PS2 -> PS3
Just like they did from PSX-> PS2
Wait a minute.... there is a pattern. And OMG its clear as day!
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Calling fellow Playstation lovers - do the right thing and call out Sony!
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Just like they did from PSX-> PS2
Wait a minute.... there is a pattern. And OMG its clear as day!
OP is right that Sony lied to us here and it’s frustrating.
I’m still getting a PS5 because it’s a far superior option than any of Microsoft’s consoles (for me!) given the exclusive games Sony will put on the console.
If Microsoft hadn’t put forth the stupid Series S and had better exclusives themselves, maybe Sony would feel a bit more pressure instead of just doing whatever they want.
As it is, I’m stuck with a binary choice. The upgrade from OG PS4 to PS5 should be pretty real for me.
I’m still getting a PS5 because it’s a far superior option than any of Microsoft’s consoles (for me!) given the exclusive games Sony will put on the console.
If Microsoft hadn’t put forth the stupid Series S and had better exclusives themselves, maybe Sony would feel a bit more pressure instead of just doing whatever they want.
As it is, I’m stuck with a binary choice. The upgrade from OG PS4 to PS5 should be pretty real for me.
Bryank75
Banned
Very little comes out on PC to make good use of the hardware... every time graphics comes up, PC users seem to point to The Witcher 3 with mods. A 5 year old game.
Dear fellow Playstation lovers,
Just like you, I've been enjoying the last few months shitting on Xbox for their cross-gen antics. I've been relishing the opportunity to throw yesterday's PS5 showcase in the face of Xbox fans as a 'AHA TAKE THAT BITCHES' moment but after that we find out that at the very least, Horizon Forbidden West and the Miles Morales game are coming to PS4 as well as PS5.
I'm stoked as much as you are for PS5 but come on. Although they didn't necessarily say those games would be PS5 exclusive, the messaging very strongly hinted at it and for them to now mention, almost in passing as if they don't want to draw attention to it, that two of the key first party titles aren't actually next-gen exclusive.................. it's just a bit of a slap in the face.
Do you not hate being lied to? I know I do. Sure it's not lying if they never technically said those games wouldn't come to PS4, but it's effectively the same thing. They've been riding the wave of hate towards Xbox and it turns out what they're doing isn't really much different. If we try to hide behind the fine print then we're doing what the 'other side' did.
So, again, calling all fellow Pureisuteishon lovers, let's call it out because if we don't do it then we're just as bad as the Xbots who blindly support the likes of Aaron Greenscreen and Phil Spritzer.
note: If you think I'm posing as Playstation lover to whip up a frenzy, check my post history - I've been shitting on Xbox for months
Err, you can just refuse to buy PS5 on launch.
It would be much easier and send a much better message than "calling out".
ReBurn
Gold Member
I don't know that "very little comes out on PC to make good use of the hardware." People are pushing their cards as hard as they'll go, regardless of the quality of the content itself. The 3080 sold out pretty much immediately, which proves my point I believe. People are paying for new hardware not for specific games coming out in the future. They're doing it to get the best from what they're playing right now. A lot of console gamers want that, too.
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Elcid
Banned
Doesn't matter, the thing is going to sell out so fucking hard, it hurts.
Bryank75
Banned
I know, I saw one going for 40k somewhere.
There is such an unhealthy obsession with hardware on PC and then ironically a parallel obsession with buying games for as little as possible. I really don't get it..... why do scummy Nvidia deserve the money but not CDPR or Square or Capcom?
Dr Bass
Member
I'm sure it's been mentioned but Demon's Souls is literally a launch day PS5 exclusive, and it looks very good ...
And there are going to be plenty more. It's going to be fine. People are looking for problems here. Yeah I would have preferred if they had taken advantage of the PS5 for Horizon to the point where cross gen wasn't possible, but it will essentially play like a sequel to the first one and look way better. And then there will be plenty of actual PS5 exclusives. Again, even on day one.
And there are going to be plenty more. It's going to be fine. People are looking for problems here. Yeah I would have preferred if they had taken advantage of the PS5 for Horizon to the point where cross gen wasn't possible, but it will essentially play like a sequel to the first one and look way better. And then there will be plenty of actual PS5 exclusives. Again, even on day one.
CitizenX
Banned
Yea, but to get the same result you are going to pay $500.
Bullshit it was thrown in everyone's faces the second Jim Ryan said we believe in generations. It was an angry mob for months anti cross generation started by Sony. But keep up the spin of Sony hiding the truth to avoid bad press and put it on Microsoft.
Knitted Knight
Banned
You can't be calling MS out for over a year on what you think are wrong practices and all of the sudden turn a blind eye when Sony does the same turd. Not acceptable. The lack of transparency makes it worse. Yes they're releasing exclusives that justify the purchase of a PS5 (and MS isn't) but that's about it outside of that.
ReBurn
Gold Member
I think it's the nature of the technology. It's really easy to make more copies of new games and it's literally impossible to sell out of digital copies. But GPU hardware quantities are constrained by supply and manufacturing concerns, real or contrived. That keep supply lower than demand.
Video game companies drop prices to Increase revenue though quantity sales. Hardware is harder to do that with. The game companies could pull a Nintendo and just refuse to drop their prices, limit physical copies, and only leave games on the market for 6 months to drive prices but they don't.
Business
Member
I did but didn’t improve anything. Initially I was looking for dust but the inside was pristine. Since I had the console open and had thermal paste around I decided to use it on the CPU because indeed the stock one looked like shit. The only thing remaining was changing the thermal pads but I couldn’t be arsed to buy new ones.
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decisions
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This is total revisionist history.
It was always my understanding that MS said there will be one universal Xbox library. So you can’t put a game on XSX but not on XSX and X1 (so long as that is supported).
Sony said there can be games the utilize the power of the PS5 to he exclusive to that, i.e. they don’t have to be on PS4 or PS4 Pro, even though those are still officially supported platforms.
Neither has changed their stance so far.
It was always my understanding that MS said there will be one universal Xbox library. So you can’t put a game on XSX but not on XSX and X1 (so long as that is supported).
Sony said there can be games the utilize the power of the PS5 to he exclusive to that, i.e. they don’t have to be on PS4 or PS4 Pro, even though those are still officially supported platforms.
Neither has changed their stance so far.
Kerotan
Member
Well everything isn't cross gen and the experience on ps5 won't be possible on ps4.
Kerotan
Member
Oh my entitled god. It's not compromised you fool it's just launching in a period where it makes sense to be cross gen. H3 will make sense to be ps5 only. Get over it.
Bladed Thesis
Member
As somebody who sat in launch prep meetings for PS4, Sony had a similar DRM solution for the PS4. This has always been known. They saw the blowback and pulled the "this is how you trade in games" commercial but many executives at retailers knew what the original plan was. The original plan was what the DE is this gen. Completely suffocate the physical editions of games, get the digital version to be the main version and hold the profits. And why not? It's their product. But still, they acted like they hadn't planned the same thing and I know for sure they did.
DeaDPo0L84
Member
As a gamer who has bought both consoles every generation, the point in doing so was because of the games that could only be played on those platforms. Microsoft has been shifting the Xbox brand into something different for quite awhile so it wasn't as shocking when the XSX was finally unveiled that games will more than likely be cross gen for quite awhile. With Playstation that wasn't ever really a thought, if anything PS4 games being brought up to the PS5 made sense and I have no problem with that. But I really don't want to see Horizon 2, God of War 2, and other 1st party titles that may be releasing in the first year or two of the PS5 launch be on the PS4 as well.
I have no doubt that the PS5 version will be better in every way possible than the PS4 version BUT the thought will always be in my mind "could the PS5 version be better if a PS4 version didn't have to exist?". Because of that this news dampens my already lukewarm thoughts about the next gen consoles as a whole.
I have no doubt that the PS5 version will be better in every way possible than the PS4 version BUT the thought will always be in my mind "could the PS5 version be better if a PS4 version didn't have to exist?". Because of that this news dampens my already lukewarm thoughts about the next gen consoles as a whole.
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SLoWMoTIoN
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That would have helped.
GymWolf
Member
yeah absolutely, it's not like it's a crossgen game that has to run on ancient hardware instead of being a full fledged nextgen game
dude, don't try that bullshit "it make sense" with me please, it only make sense for sony to get more money, as a consumer i don't give a fuck about their plans, i only care about the final result, but you can do all the sony apologism you want, this is a free country after all.
Asking to have nextgen games on a nextgen console was the normality and not entitlement until yesterday news, funny how things change so fast...
I'm sorry dude, i don't wanna pass for a rude jackass, i'm just mad for this decision.
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sendit
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Why do you think it was thrown in peoples face? Hint *Craig*
Both Horizon 2 and Miles Morales look exceptional. This is a different case for Halo Infinite.
NickFire
Member
The news was certainly a damper for me. But what's the point of dwelling on it? Sony isn't going to cancel production of games in progress to restart as next gen only. And unless you are thinking Switch only, there's no alternative to the cross gen practice. And honestly, it could have been worse. At least we know they will be targeting multiple sku's for just part of the generation.
It was well before Craig every Microsoft thread turned into cross generation well before Craig. It was the trump card to derail any positive Microsoft thread.
Easy to find full week before Craig. Venom for cross generation. I can find many more lol.
Phil Spencer: XGS titles for the “next couple of years” will be cross-gen
You won’t be forced into the next generation. We want every Xbox player to play all the new games from Xbox Game Studios. That’s why Xbox Game Studios titles we release in the next couple of years—like Halo Infinite—will be available and play great on Xbox Series X and Xbox One. We won’t force...
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Self
Member
Well spoken my friend.
Kerotan
Member
It's not unusual to have a few cross platform games from Sony year one. This machine will be supply constrained as fucked so its only fair. If it runs on the ps4 just imagine how majestic performance will be on ps5. 4k 60fps? 1080p 120fps? 8k 30fps? You never know!yeah absolutely, it's not like it's a crossgen game that has to run on ancient hardware instead of being a full fledged nextgen game
dude, don't try that bullshit "it make sense" with me please, it only make sense for sony to get more money, as a consumer i don't give a fuck about their plans, i only care about the final result, but you can do all the sony apologism you want, this is a free country after all.
Asking to have nextgen games on a nextgen console was the normality and not entitlement until yesterday news, funny how things change so fast...
I'm sorry dude, i don't wanna pass for a rude jackass, i'm just mad for this decision.
Lethal01
Member
Horizon Forbidden West has been in deveopment for years and at the start of the development they probably weren't even sure if the PS5 would be out when the game launches.
VulcanRaven
Member
I have no problem if games during the first year are for both PS4 and PS5.
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Illo
Member
There's nothing wrong to admit you were wrong, or Sony thinking Xbox's strategy might be for the best moving forward in a pandemic based world.
I agree with both strategies and I still love the idea there's two different companies that offered two different solutions/ideas to consumers.
I agree with both strategies and I still love the idea there's two different companies that offered two different solutions/ideas to consumers.
Lethal01
Member
Sure, but it doesn't seem like they are agreeing with the XBOX Strategy since they have already announce big first part games coming this year along with one that will be ready at launch.
supernova8
Banned
Well yes you could say he was 'withholding the truth' rather than actually lying. I think most people would take what Sony had been saying to imply that all first party games would be PS5 exclusive. If they didn't then this wouldn't have blown up (faux outrage to be fair lol) like it did.
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