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Christopher Nolan’s The Odyssey - July 2026

YCoCg

Member
I dont understand the zendaya hate. ive been a fan of her since Euphoria. she's amazing in it.

Way more talented than Tom Holland.

I think she might be playing Athena though.
She got too popular so now people hate her, you've got the usual types who hate her for her skin colour too as well as the obsessed types who hate her for being thin and thinking it's damaging body positivity, etc.

Jenna Ortega will be the next one on the cycle, this time next year everyone will hate her too.
 
Nolan's next movie is adapting ancient greek epic poetry?

The timeline is healing.

Stick Around Bob Ross GIF by Originals


Just saw the cast. Seeing those actors I will be cautiously optimistic. Please make it work Nolan.
 
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pachura

Member
I’ve only seen Zendaya in a few films, but her performance in the first season of Euphoria is exceptional
I had completely the opposite impression: she was just depressed the whole season, with occasional moments of being snarky. I guess it properly reflected anhedonia of an opioid addict, but I wouldn't call her performance 'exceptional'...
 

GymWolf

Member
I had completely the opposite impression: she was just depressed the whole season, with occasional moments of being snarky. I guess it properly reflected anhedonia of an opioid addict, but I wouldn't call her performance 'exceptional'...
So basically like her MJ version :lollipop_grinning_sweat:
 
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Tams

Member
She got too popular so now people hate her, you've got the usual types who hate her for her skin colour too as well as the obsessed types who hate her for being thin and thinking it's damaging body positivity, etc.

Jenna Ortega will be the next one on the cycle, this time next year everyone will hate her too.

While some people don't like her because of those reasons, it feels like you're saying we can't dislike her as an actor because we think she's wooden as one.

I've found her too be very dull and wooden in everything I've seen her in. The same with Daisy Ridley.
 

Audiophile

Member
2 duds for me, Dark Knight Rises and Tenet.

I still need to see Dunkirk and Oppenheimer, but ever since both DKR and Tenet I don’t trust his soundwork in movie theaters anymore.
Tenet is by far the worst on sound mix imo.

Dunkirk is mixed far better, relatively speaking. As for Oppenheimer, I haven't seen it yet either, but I haven't heard too much fuss about the sound on it, so hopefully that fares better.

When I bought the Tenet 4K UHD Blu-ray I put it on and the sound drove everyone crazy, we ended up turning it off a little ways in. I had to go and download a full quality remux from a torrent site instead, demuxed the audio, threw it in audacity, dialed back the surrounds, boosted the centre, pushed vocal frequencies and then muxed it all back together and watched it off a HDD. It was still just about bearable. Turned out to be for nothing though, it's by far the worst Nolan movie; the whole thing just felt soulless and I really like his other stuff, even the very flawed TDKR. My Tenet UHD went straight on eBay the same day.
 

simpatico

Member
Very excited about it. Even more unexcited about the cast after knowing it's The Odyssey. The cast should be a lot more rugged, with unique face features and different builds.
If Tom Holland is playing a twink passed around by rugged soldiers after hard fought battles, I'll allow it. But any other casting for him in that era will just shatter immersion.

I would put Dunkirk close the DUD category for Nolan. It's a fine movie, just not up to his lofty caliber. A hair better than Tenant, probably on the level of Dark Knight Rises.
 
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IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins

jason10mm

Gold Member
Huh, if you look at his movies by budget I think they get LESS INTERESTING with increasing $$$ spent.

1. Dark Knight Rises $250m
2. TENET $200m
3. The Dark Knight $185m
4. Interstellar $165m
5. Inception $160m
6. Batman Begins $150
7&8. Oppenheimer and Dunkirk $100m
9. Insomnia $46m
10. The Prestige $40m
11. Memento $9m
12. Following $6K :)P)

Though I suppose accounting for inflation most of his later films clock in at around a 200m equivalent today with TDKR as the one really expensive film.

Still, I think he gets so wrapped up in the technical aspects he forgets the emotional beats, which for The Odyssey is worrisome
 

Doom85

Member
Still, I think he gets so wrapped up in the technical aspects he forgets the emotional beats, which for The Odyssey is worrisome

-Interstellar emotionally broke me in several scenes. I shouldn’t even have to elaborate on this if one remembers the movie pretty well

-Regardless of what people might think of it, the final 10 minutes of Dark Knight Rises hit me hard, especially Batman and Gordon’s final conversation.

-Aaron Eckhart I feel often doesn’t get enough credit in The Dark Knight, yes Ledger as Joker is amazing, but the story is more focused on Harvey, and Eckhart handles the role very well IMHO, especially near the end. The lines of, “You think I want to escape from this? There is no escape from this…..you thought we could be decent men in an indecent time. But you were wrong.” While it’s not a tear jerker kind of emotion, I did feel chills seeing him become such a broken man, and likewise see Gordon desperately pleading for his family’s life while also trying to save what was left of Harvey Dent. People say the movie goes downhill after Joker is defeated, and I could not disagree more, Harvey was the true core element of his final plan, and the final scenes handle it perfectly IMHO.

-while I didn’t personally get emotional from Inception, I remember James from the Weekly Planet podcast giving this opinion (paraphrasing): “when I first saw Inception, I was annoyed that Cobb wouldn’t wait to see if his totem fell over or not. Like, he stressed the importance of it, why would he do something dumb like that? Then, I myself had kids later on, and revisiting the film, I now totally understand the character’s decision and furthermore the reason for the ambiguity of the ending. For Cobb, in that moment, doesn’t need to know if it’s real or not. All that matters are he sees his kids are there and so he can’t help but rush to them regardless of whether it’s true or not.”

-Dunkirk is not designed to be an emotional movie. While I did feel a bit sad at what happened on the civilian rescue boat the movie focuses on for those sections of the movie, the film was not designed to really focus on individual characters, rather the larger situation at hand and the importance of saving as many of the Allied forces as possible.

“Well done, lads. Well done.”
“All we did is survive.”
“That’s enough.”

-I’ll have to rewatch Oppenheimer as right now I can’t recall if certain scenes got me emotional or not

So no, personally I think he’s generally quite good at maintaining the emotional elements, and in the case of Dunkirk it wasn’t the point of the movie. Now, I have not seen Tenet yet, and it’s been a long time since I saw Memento and The Prestige, so I can’t comment on those three
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
-Interstellar emotionally broke me in several scenes. I shouldn’t even have to elaborate on this if one remembers the movie pretty well
I DETESTED Interstellar, so we will just have to disagree on that one. For as pretty as it looked, the science and rationalization going on were so damn dumb it pulled me out of any hope of an emotional connection no matter how well Machonahey tried.

Nolan is one of my LEAST rewatched major directors. BB and TDK are the only films of his I would actively choose to watch again, though I'd give Momento, Prestige, and Inception a watch again just to appreciate the scripts. I can't articulate it well but something about his directorial style is offputting to me even though, on paper, he should be right up my alley.

But I also see all his stuff in theater, often IMAX, so he gets me where it counts :p
 

near

Member
Nolan is one of my LEAST rewatched major directors.
I genuinely can’t rewatch any of his films except for Dunkirk (I’ve seen that three times already). While I enjoy most of his films and appreciate them, they lack replay value for me. I recall how much I enjoyed Inception in the cinema, but I turned it off on least two occasions at home because I got bored. I think that's why I don't hold him in high regard compared to other directors.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Nolan's movies are the ones I've rewatched the most. Watched Inception 4 times in the theaters. Interstellar and Dunkirk 3 times. TDK, Tenet, Oppenheimer and TDKR twice.

Also rewatch many scenes on streaming.
1) They are not mountains, they're waves scene. Interstellar.
2) Docking Scene. interstellar.
3) Stretcher Carry scene. Dunkirk.
4) Batmobile/batpod scene. TDK.
5) Safe scene. Inception.
6) Opera intro. Tenet.
7) Tenet finale.
8) TDKR finale.
9) Oppenheimer's final scene.
10) TDK ending
11) Dunkirk climax.

Honestly, I cant rewatch entire movies anymore. just dont have the time so i just pick a scene and watch it and Nolan's movies . I think his setpieces are right up there with Spielberg, Snyder, James Cameron, George Miller and Ridley scott, but he elevates them with a great soundtrack even if other directors beat him on visuals.

I do wish he gave Dunkirk the budget of Tenet and used some CG in both Dunkirk and Oppenheimer because they feel cheap at times. Hoping Odyssey is epic in both scale and visuals.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
-Interstellar emotionally broke me in several scenes. I shouldn’t even have to elaborate on this if one remembers the movie pretty well

-Regardless of what people might think of it, the final 10 minutes of Dark Knight Rises hit me hard, especially Batman and Gordon’s final conversation.

-Aaron Eckhart I feel often doesn’t get enough credit in The Dark Knight, yes Ledger as Joker is amazing, but the story is more focused on Harvey, and Eckhart handles the role very well IMHO, especially near the end. The lines of, “You think I want to escape from this? There is no escape from this…..you thought we could be decent men in an indecent time. But you were wrong.” While it’s not a tear jerker kind of emotion, I did feel chills seeing him become such a broken man, and likewise see Gordon desperately pleading for his family’s life while also trying to save what was left of Harvey Dent. People say the movie goes downhill after Joker is defeated, and I could not disagree more, Harvey was the true core element of his final plan, and the final scenes handle it perfectly IMHO.

-while I didn’t personally get emotional from Inception, I remember James from the Weekly Planet podcast giving this opinion (paraphrasing): “when I first saw Inception, I was annoyed that Cobb wouldn’t wait to see if his totem fell over or not. Like, he stressed the importance of it, why would he do something dumb like that? Then, I myself had kids later on, and revisiting the film, I now totally understand the character’s decision and furthermore the reason for the ambiguity of the ending. For Cobb, in that moment, doesn’t need to know if it’s real or not. All that matters are he sees his kids are there and so he can’t help but rush to them regardless of whether it’s true or not.”

-Dunkirk is not designed to be an emotional movie. While I did feel a bit sad at what happened on the civilian rescue boat the movie focuses on for those sections of the movie, the film was not designed to really focus on individual characters, rather the larger situation at hand and the importance of saving as many of the Allied forces as possible.

“Well done, lads. Well done.”
“All we did is survive.”
“That’s enough.”

-I’ll have to rewatch Oppenheimer as right now I can’t recall if certain scenes got me emotional or not

So no, personally I think he’s generally quite good at maintaining the emotional elements, and in the case of Dunkirk it wasn’t the point of the movie. Now, I have not seen Tenet yet, and it’s been a long time since I saw Memento and The Prestige, so I can’t comment on those three
he needs another writer. he's indeed too mechanical and doesnt quite get the emotional bits just right.

Interstellar was amazing but guess who wrote the screenplay? His brother. Who co-wrote the screenplay for TDK? His brother and David Goyer. Who came up with the idea of Momento? his brother.

Inception was a straight up heist movie like Tenet, but Dicaprio is the one who had Nolan insert the whole kids subplot. Nolan cant really come up with that on his own as seen in Dunkirk, Tenet and to a lesser extent Oppenheimer. He's a great director but an average writer but he wants to do both nowadays and he just cant capture that human element no matter how hard he tries. Even Oppenheimer was way too cold for me, and thats way better than Dunkirk and Tenet in humanizing Oppenheimer.

This is an adaptation instead of an original story so who knows maybe he just might nail it like interstellar.
 

Hudo

Gold Member
This could either be incredibly good or incredibly shitty.

It's gonna be interesting either way.
 

Shaki12345

Member
Both Zendaya and Tom Holland are very distracting on the big screen. They want to be stars, but they should be actors that disappear in their roles and they don't.

Nolan should cast the best actors for each role, like how he casted Eric Roberts and Rutger Hauer in Batman Begins. That's how you cast a movie.

It's all about the character, not the actor behind it. I'm sure Nolan doesn't need stunt casting to sell his movies but probably the studio wanted some guarantee of return of investment so they cast 2 people who will attract a large audience to make sure it at least earns back its costs. If that's the case I hope this movie bombs hard.
 
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jason10mm

Gold Member
Tom Holland is reportedly the lead.
No way, unless by "lead" they mean some cabin boy who just witnesses events.

But the guy who fought for 10 years at Troy, a main counsellor to Agamemnon, counterweight to Achilles, creator of the Trojan Horse, and then a 10 year...odyssey, to get back to his ever loving wife and use a bow ONLY he had the strength to wield to kill the other suitors?

Nah, ain't buying it, sorry Tom. Even with age effects or whatever, it needs an older man for the gravitas.
 
No way, unless by "lead" they mean some cabin boy who just witnesses events.

But the guy who fought for 10 years at Troy, a main counsellor to Agamemnon, counterweight to Achilles, creator of the Trojan Horse, and then a 10 year...odyssey, to get back to his ever loving wife and use a bow ONLY he had the strength to wield to kill the other suitors?

Nah, ain't buying it, sorry Tom. Even with age effects or whatever, it needs an older man for the gravitas.
Tom is probably getting the role of Telemachus (funny enough I played Telemachus in a stage adaptation lmao, but that was more than 10 years ago), it makes more sense that he's playing the son.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Can't say i am excited; the last beautiful movie directed by Nolan was Memento.

Him and Tarantino.

My word! If there was a NeoGAF award for the hottest and shittest take of the year, this would win with ease.

That's not an easy thing to say considering the number of shit takes this places sees on a daily basis.

Bravo, my friend. Bravo.
 
Ya'll just tossing around those hot takes like candy, ain't yah?

I think those three directors, regardless if you like their films, have a distinct signature and have produced some indelible and enduring films.

Though I think Nolan is the least rewatchable of those three, his ideas and techniques steer the industry.
Nolan’s ideas steer the industry? What the hell are you talking about?

Edit: this sort of proves my point as to why Nolan is so overrated. He’s made some decent films, but people treat him like the second coming of Christ. You can like his movies you don’t need to go on and say that he somehow steering the entire industry.
 
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My word! If there was a NeoGAF award for the hottest and shittest take of the year, this would win with ease.

That's not an easy thing to say considering the number of shit takes this places sees on a daily basis.

Bravo, my friend. Bravo.
I love Tarantino but agree with him that Tarantino is overrated in that consistency wise he’s kind of all over the place.

Having said that, unlike Nolan, Tarantino had a huge influence on the industry. Pulp Fiction was insanely influential. Pretty much created his own genre during the period of time when everyone was trying copy that style. Same thing happened with Kill Bill (to a much lesser extent). Red Letter Media has covered this.
 
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