StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
1 gamer past 24H. Who was it?
Gamer: 0.1%
Cliffy B: 99.9%
Gamer: 0.1%
Cliffy B: 99.9%
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Cliff Bleszinski: "Just got a text from my lawyer about... LawBreakers. Stay tuned."
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TheGodfather07
Member
He was at epic, not Microsoft.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Err... I don't.
You only need to look at all the arguments I've engaged in on this forum to see the obvious truth that gamers are a group of people who largely don't agree.
If there's one common trait across all gamers on the internet it's that we don't all agree.
Well, yeah. I would consider myself a gamer. Don't you?
Not really. I'd just rather folks like Cliffy recognize that grouping people into convenient groups under a common label, doesn't mean those groups magically become a homogenized hivemind.
Any group of people, regardless of the basis of such grouping, will inherently represent a collection of individuals with different thoughts, attitudes, and opinions. This shouldn't be new or controversial to anyone.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Just saw a tweet from a game industry media whore whose latest game had one person playing it on Steam.
It confuses the hell out of me how people would tweet to the world to stay tuned regarding a text from their lawyer . Game makers are weird, yo.
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Yeah you're right, I got mixed up in linking him with Gears of War and Microsoft together.
Apparently he left Epic 2012 to retire, and apparently regret that decision by doing alot of bad decisions down the line.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
You'd know who he is if you followed Xbox gaming 15 years ago, or PC shooters 20 years ago.
LegendOfKage
Member
Screw Lawbrakers. Where's my Radical Heights remaster?
LordOfChaos
Member
...Huh?
VN1X
Banned
I mean this will sound controversial but I liked it more than Overwatch. I very much enjoyed the brief time I had with LawBreakers even though I saw the writing on the wall. Sure it had its flaws but which multiplayer game doesn't these days. To me it was everything I wanted from an OW type game, ie: more focus on the shooting/gunplay aspects rather than the MOBA side of things.1 gamer past 24H. Who was it?
Gamer: 0.1%
Cliffy B: 99.9%
It's a shame it never took off but it is what it is. Some things are just better left buried.
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Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
So when some sub-group of gamers does something worthy of criticism stop acting like its a criticism of you specifically or ALL gamers in general.
If he'd meant ALL gamers, I suspect he'd have written "ALL gamers".
You can't have it both ways. You demand not to be treated as a collective but always leap to defend the collective's honour even if you yourself aren't involved in the behaviour that's being called out.
Sorry, "Gamer" is a description, not an identity.
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Quantum253
Gold Member
That was instantly what I thought when I seen the thread title. Guess that catch phrase worked.
AGRacing
Member
Someone is "sniffing around" for the copyright eh? That's the big news.
My theory is that Phil Harrison is secretly launching another new platform and wants the rights for a big exclusive launch title. The console will be called "Dumpster Fire" and launch in 2026.
Cliffs feed is hilarious. He is a mental case. I only had to scroll once to see him use the word Incel and reference camouflage.
My theory is that Phil Harrison is secretly launching another new platform and wants the rights for a big exclusive launch title. The console will be called "Dumpster Fire" and launch in 2026.
Cliffs feed is hilarious. He is a mental case. I only had to scroll once to see him use the word Incel and reference camouflage.
Werewolf Jones
Member
Bring it back and I'll play it. I swear to god.
OST banged hard.
OST banged hard.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
I think you're confused.
I wasn't leaping to defend "gamers' honor" at all. I was merely pointing out to Cliffy that gamers aren't a hivemind. Therefore, by definition, I'm correcting HIS premise that gamers are some homogenous group. Cliffy made that assertion, not me, and so me correcting that isn't me "jumping to the defense of gamers as some homogenized group" it's just me correcting his erroneous assertion.
Or to put it another way, in the original statement I made, "Gamers aren't a hivemind", where are you seeing the implication of the term "Gamers" as a hivemind or homogeneous group?
Precisely. This was exactly my point when I made the statement, "Gamers are not a hivemind".
If you would accuse me of treating gamers as an identity simply because I used the term "gamer" in the statement, "gamers aren't a hivemind" then surely you're guilty of the same by making the statement ""Gamer" is a description, not an identity."... which is essentially saying exactly the same thing I said, but somehow I'm "leaping to the defense of gamers as an identity" and you're not....??!?
I think you're just projecting some weird argument onto my post that I never even made. I have no idea why.
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bitbydeath
Member
That's great news, it's about time he go sued for that monstrosity.
Elder Legend
Banned
Looks like LAWbreakers BROKE the LAW so now a LAWyer is calling him. Which means Half Life 3 confirmed!
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Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
His kind of did that to himself, I remember when Lawbreakers was coming out he became obnoxiously cocky and even started shitting Overwatch. There is nothing wrong be confident but this guy took it too far.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Go back to my initial point, which was made to you in response to a post where you called Cliffy a dipshit because he wrote in a Tweet:
"Gamers are weird, yo."
That's it.
Its mild as milk in itself, but you also need omitted the clearly stated context from the tweet which defines 2 groups both of whom you could fairly describe as "gamers":
"It confuses the hell out of me how people were rooting for the game to fail and when it did now there's a ton of support for it."
First of all, why is this worthy of criticism? It seems to be a reasonable observation given that as a developer he is creating a product for "gamers" generically, yet the observable result from his perspective is this sort of weird contradictory response.
From my perspective you seemed offended by his invocation of "gamers" as a group, you certainly were the one to invoke the "hivemind" designation, and so I responded to that by pointing out the weird double standard in my follow-up posts.
Draxon Gamer
Banned
You know it's saying something when I can remember Fuse but didn't remember Lawbreakers at all.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
You certainly have an overactive imagination.
You should probably stick to reading people's actual posts rather than projecting unintended meaning onto them and then replying to that strawman.
I'm not offended and I called Cliffy a dipshit for his puerile attempt to point out some supposed double standard of gamers who by his assertion said something about his shitty game once and now are saying something else.
If Cliffy can't see that the group who derided Cliffy's shitty Lawbreakers game aren't the same folks who now are excited about something related to it, then he's being a dipshit.
As I said previously, gamers aren't a hivemind. But you apparently agree with me on this. So I just don't understand this bizarre tangent you've taken this on, where you've gone on this inexplicable tirade against me for somehow defending gamers by making such a benign and 100% factual remark such as "gamers are not a hivemind".
You're usually a pretty reasonable poster here on Gaf. I typically really enjoy reading your often very rational takes on various subjects. But I've gotta say, Clear, mate... you've gone and lost me totally on this one.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
He didn't say that. He just said: "gamers (plural) are weird".
You are the one treating all gamers like a homogenous group then blaming him for that!
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Now you're just being disingenuous. He didn't just say that at all. He said:
So unless you're being intellectually dishonest, you have to agree that he is calling "gamers" (as a group) weird because he's implying the same people who "rooted for his game to fail" are now "in support [of] it".
There's no other way to read that sentence.
So not only is he foolishly claiming that the same group who hated on his shitty game is now rooting for it, he's calling the same fictitious group weird for that same reason.
Again... gamers are not a hivemind and don't all think alike (although I would think most would agree that Lawbreakers is shit).
Anyway... you accuse me of rushing to the defense of gamers, but I don't see why you're pushing so hard such an untenable argument in the staunch defense of Cliffy B?... You related to him or something?
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Bonfires Down
Member
Overwatch clearly had more appealing art. And at least at the time it seemed like many people liked the diverse playstyles of Overwatch. Which is ironic considering everyone wants to play DPS.
hyperbertha
Member
The suspense is killing me. What could cliff's lawyers possibly have to say about lawbreakers? Could it be what I think it is ?
AtomicStarving
Member
OMG JUST STFU
Trogdor1123
Member
wtf is lawbreakers?
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
I legitimately didn’t hear about this game before this thread and i’m someone who follows gaming news almost daily.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
No. That's just what you took from it.
Go back and look at his Tweets, he uses "people" and "gamers" interchangeably in his posts.
In fact, if you look at his follow-up Tweets he even adds a tiny bit more precision/confusion by using "the internet" as the same group he's commenting on.
So unless you are arguing that "people", "gamers", and "the internet" are specifically differentiated groups all of whom should take collective responsibility for their own stuff...
Just take the L man. You misconstrued his point and are now arguing with me despite the fact that his only "crime" is saying that (as an obvious generalization) that people/gamers/the internet are weird at times.
Which is the truth. And this silly argument we're having is further proof of that!
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
I'm not against him bringing it back. If they can spruce it up, go for it.
Varteras
Gold Member
1 gamer past 24H. Who was it?
Gamer: 0.1%
Cliffy B: 99.9%
Grildon Tundy
Member
Then why's there a cuck chair in the background, Cliffy?
AlteredForms
Banned
HOLY SHIT. I'm one of the few people on this planet that is excited about this. LawBreakers was classic UT99 visceral action. Thank you CliffyB you soy boy bastard!
The game is not available for purchase dude, it was pulled from storefront shelves. That one person is most likely a bot or something.1 gamer past 24H. Who was it?
Gamer: 0.1%
Cliffy B: 99.9%
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dorkimoe
Member
Man i think i was the only person who loved Battleborn
Dirk Benedict
Member
Lawbreakers and lawyers involved? Oh shit.
Double Ls, IMO.
Thebonehead
Gold Member
It's more likely that he is probably facing a silly class action lawsuit about it.
"Lawbreakers gave me cancer yo", or "Lawbreakers ruined my sex life because it wasn't on Xbox y'all"
"Lawbreakers gave me cancer yo", or "Lawbreakers ruined my sex life because it wasn't on Xbox y'all"
wipeout364
Member
I thought Lawbreakers was a lot of fun. Was sad to see it shut down so fast. Not sure more time would have made a difference as I don’t know if arena shooters can make a go of it nowadays but I was still disappointed to no longer be able to play it.
oldergamer
Member
I lost my job, my kids, and wife, but it was all worth it when it when I got the run & gun achievement in lawbreakers!
AlteredForms
Banned
SportsFan581
Member
1 gamer past 24H. Who was it?
Gamer: 0.1%
Cliffy B: 99.9%
Kind of feel sad for the dude that waited in the lobby hoping to play.
Mobilemofo
Member
Was it any good?.I think I saw it once, roaming about in the store, and I think I briefly considered downloading it, but then started titanfall 2 up.
