Psykodad
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A full game + DLC is more than a demo/trial, though.
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Destiny 2 f2p is a scam
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Explosive Zombie
Banned
Trick you into buying that stuff? Because back when they released they knew they'd split from Activision and make year 1 free to play? Like are you for real?
Most f2p games began as f2p but there are others that didn't like Team Fortress 2, was it scummy then, too?
You paid a premium to be in the game first, years before the free to play people. If that time wasn't worth it to you then why don't you just wait a few years after every game releases to play them? They all depreciate in value even if not all go free to play.
johncaveman12
Member
How? You get the base game, and the previous two dlcs for free.
DrumNBassDanTTV
Member
OP you dont understand what a scam is.
OmaeWaMouShindiggity
Member
Sorry OP, bad argument.
If you rewinded 2 years and this same package was released for f2p, you'd be sent to a mental ward. A full on game with some DLC being released for FREE cant be considered a scam, as you are literally not being forced to play anything to pay it.
HOWEVER, if after playing all this free gameplay and decide "hey I enjoyed this, id like to play some more new updated stuff" then you now have the option of buying the expansion(s). You aren't being charged a monthly "bungie membership" fee to play so this is in no way a scam. You aren't spending anything but time, and they hope you get hooked enough on their gameplay loop to now spend money on their new content.
If you rewinded 2 years and this same package was released for f2p, you'd be sent to a mental ward. A full on game with some DLC being released for FREE cant be considered a scam, as you are literally not being forced to play anything to pay it.
HOWEVER, if after playing all this free gameplay and decide "hey I enjoyed this, id like to play some more new updated stuff" then you now have the option of buying the expansion(s). You aren't being charged a monthly "bungie membership" fee to play so this is in no way a scam. You aren't spending anything but time, and they hope you get hooked enough on their gameplay loop to now spend money on their new content.
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LaughingStock
Member
I swear some people have DDS (destiny derangement syndrome).
Explosive Zombie
Banned
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Werewolf Jones
Member
People want looter shooters so fucking badly they can't.
andreymagnus
Member
Well all that genre games work the same way. Nothing to be surprised about
ethomaz
Banned
Stop you are being too fair and reasonable
recklesscognition
Member
This is what I heard: "Destiny is going F2P in October".
What I think that means is everything in Destiny, the expansions, raids, etc, all free. You pay for cosmetics and weapons and stuff.
In reality, not that way. They didn't lie or cheat me, they just rolled out something that is different than I picture F2P. I will never touch another Destiny game.
What I think that means is everything in Destiny, the expansions, raids, etc, all free. You pay for cosmetics and weapons and stuff.
In reality, not that way. They didn't lie or cheat me, they just rolled out something that is different than I picture F2P. I will never touch another Destiny game.
I mean they basically have everything except two paid dlcs. From what I read if you have shadowkeep you don't even need forsaken unless you want the story parts. So realistically they gave a ton of stuff free and you can buy the current dlc to be current...
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
I don't know what to tell you but, that seems like a failing of the PS store/OS.
Give it a reboot in case something is messed up in caches/store config.
Any particular reason you're dead set on getting Forsaken right now?
Forsaken is delisted from european psn, including the uk.
I called ps support. Guy told me since it doesn't exist, buying physical copies or codes is not guaranteed to work.
That's why the eververse link to the Forsaken buy page leads to a dead psn screen.
Lanrutcon
Member
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I'm not sure what this is meant to prove. There are people privately selling useless crap you could get for free at some point for silly prices. Big whoop?
ethomaz
Banned
If you can't buy Forsaken it will probably become free but in US everything works fine... you can buy Forsaken.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Standard Bungie procedure is that will become free september 2020.
You cannot buy it through psn but it is availablle on steam in the same regions. It looks like they fucked up their transition and sent euro psn a wrong manifest.
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ethomaz
Banned
I can buy it thought PSN.
It is $24.99.
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Destiny 2 ingame link sent you to that page to buy Forsaken.
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Dude, you just quoted me saying it's gone from european psn. And then you quoted me again mentioning euro psn.
You're posting a link to american psn.
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Explosive Zombie
Banned
They're not just cosmetic, they improve your game. The in-game store sells stuff for exorbitant prices, too, including if you want to play as more than 2 different Warframes of the 30 without deleting a whole char you need to spend money or grind like crazy/hope someone will trade. The point is there's things about D2 that would need to massively change to be as F2P as Warframe is.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
The new Battle Pass (which they don't charge for, unlike Bungie) gives out those slots as rewards. Before you ask, they aren't even the last rewards you get.
Those skins are limited time skins from steam promotions that pc collectors fight over, nothing else. Primed Chamber is also a collector's item, it was only ever good on one weapon and rivens are better now since you need to give up another mod slot to reduce the available ammo - you wouldn't know that because you obviously don't play the game.
Just in case you don't know since you haven't played the game, warframe isn't selling those overpriced items, collectors are bidding for them from other players.
The point is, warframe is a smaller team, delivering more content, and offering it all for free except the cosmetics.
The funny stuff is that most people only read the first or second page of a thread, so everytime you bump this with your whiteknight crusade you bump the thread up wich gives more exposure to my first post. It now has like 30 likes and counting.
Oh, and you start the game with 3 warframe slots, not two, and they give you free plat to buy a fourth slot.
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Lanrutcon
Member
Bullshit. Primed Chamber is adorable, but you waste an entire mod slot for a single shot. It works with one gun (the single shot Vectis), which isn't even meta anymore. The second is for the Artax, a sentinel only weapon. It's a gun for a pet, not a player. Pet weapons sport shitty stats because they're not player guns. That mod is a collector's item, not an actual gameplay improvement. The other 3 of your 5 point list are skins.
And fuck off with the misinformation: it's blatantly obvious you've never played the game you're bitching about. A Warframe slot costs 20 plat. You make more than that rolling your cat over the keyboard for 15 minutes during a random relic unlock.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
I actually think they're giving away too much. Can't you do the foresaken repeatable stuff like menagerie and strikes? Pvp is also completely free.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Yeah, that's why there's threads all over the net of people complaining that plat is the only way to get a new slot. You're also being disingenuous with your nitpicky argument about my link, you can pay for things that give you a gameplay advantage in Warframe, it's 100% true, even articles defending the game's free to play practices admit it's possible to "pay-to-win" or pay to get an early advantage. It's not strictly cosmetics. Destiny 2 is strictly cosmetics and it doesn't have DLC bundles that add zero new zones but cost 140 dollars on Steam. The ability to "easily" earn all this in-game is a non-argument, this stuff exists to support the game and take advantage of whales, most Destiny fans are fine with them not having ridiculous MTX in the game and instead charging us for new DLCs.
Lanrutcon
Member
You can find a complaint on the net about every single subject in existence. You keep throwing smoke when your bullshit is called out, and now you're trying to defend yourself with random google results while deflecting like a bitch. "Nitpicky"? Grow the fuck up. You posted a clickbait article and then clung to it while displaying that you knew nothing about the game you're so dead set on moaning about.
Are you high? You literally have to pay for Destiny 2 expansions. Warframe expansions are completely free. How on earth does your tiny little mind classify the ability to earn content for free a non-argument in a literal argument about free 2 play models? I'll tell you how: because it doesn't fit the moronic hill you've chosen to die on.
Post your goddamn Warframe playtime. I want a screenshot showing that you've even played the game.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
All zones are free to all.
At this point you're just trolling to derail the thread.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
The top section is 100% not an argument against anything said.
Yeah, and I just said most Destiny players would prefer paid DLCs to aggressive MTX. Whether or not you think they're smart for that is kinda besides the point, no?
My GODDAMN Warframe play time, huh? What a pleasant guy you are...
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
The top section is 100% not an argument against anything said.
Yeah, and I just said most Destiny players would prefer paid DLCs to aggressive MTX. Whether or not you think they're smart for that is kinda besides the point, no?
My GODDAMN Warframe play time, huh? What a pleasant guy you are...
Twelve hours and you couldn't even get right the number of warframe slots you are given when you start the game.
Guess that explains a looot of things about you.
And again, you can get everything in game except the cosmetics. Just like Destiny... oh no, because Destiny makes you pay for quests and battle pass and so on.
You don't care tho, you're just here to troll to defend Destiny. You're such a fanboy you can't even tolerate the fact people are talking about things they don't like about your toy.
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PhoenixTank
Member
Good on you for reaching out and I appreciate the update post.
Clearly a cock-up somewhere in the line and I hope it gets fixed promptly. If you're still dead set on it, probably worth reaching out to Bungie too.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
You tried arguing the only new free content in Destiny 2 is Warmind and Curse of Osiris in this very thread despite a literal infographic listing everything people get for free, not sure you should be coming at me for being off by 1 slot.
How exactly does destiny make anyone pay for a battle pass? I'm playing it without one....unless I should be worried the destiny ninjas have snuck in and stolen my wallet. How is the battle pass required to enjoy the free content?
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
So where's the forsaken campaign for f2p players then eh? where!
Meanwhile you have a pile up of unanswered questions about your garbage attempts at shooting down warframe only because the guys behind that game are doing a better job at making videogames than bungie. Weren't you trying to argue that a pc only skin that was player made, not even sold by warframe was an aggressive microtransaction?
You're here to troll because you're too weak and frail to tolerate people criticising your toy.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
The only way your comments become true is if campaign is the only real content to you.
The point with Warframe is it can give free expansions because of the money they make off MTX. You guys have been engaging in pedantry because I don't know the game in and out while ignoring that that's absolutely how the game stays afloat. It's also been recently inundated with bad reviews, the "recent reviews" section has it at below 50% on Steam with people talking about stuff like how Veteran players are given nothing to do with the loot they grinded for with zero endgame and a game constantly focused on new players and diverting them towards paying cash. D2 is currently mostly positive on Steam with few people upset about not all content being free to play.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
That's because without known anything about the game even tho you supposedly played it for 12 hours, you posted clickbait shit that was no worth whatsoever just to attempt to score points. That's not pedantry, that's calling your ignorance and bad faith.
And by the way, you seem confused: Destiny has a full fledged mtx store and it must be going well for them because everytime i even bother looking at it the store gets bigger. They just know they have a bunch of players who'll buy the mtx and also pay 60 bucks a year to play their game.
You want to play the "people say they don't like it card"? Do I have to unerath HUNDREDS of posts in the reddit and everywhere else, gaming website newsbits about all the many, many, MANY fuck ups bungie has dropped in the last 5 years?
Or perhaps you want things more current and be told that the new expansion has 6 weapon exotics and 1 exotic armor per class while forsaken that costed the same had 11 weapons and 4 exotic pieces of armor per class? Or perhaps you'd want to know how the "new" zone is 50% the SAME zone they shipped in Destiny 1? Or how one of the earlier "secrets" of the new expansion is that you can visit... the cosmodrome that was shipped with Destiny 1?
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
This was you, two pages ago.
Massively wrong about what was happening in reality, so you didn't even attempt to reply.
And here you are now.
Another frequent poster of the Destiny OT here to shitpost and whiteknight.
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VertigoOA
Banned
Bro you’re an idiot . They outlined everything and used specific language. I didn’t need to respond because your dumb ass has been getting shit on nonstop. It was pity for your retardation. You just don’t understand. The education system has truly failed us.
Go beg for money in the street. Jabroni.
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Nonono, you were here laughing about how I didn't even bother to check the eververse but since the eververse turns up a dead psn page because the content is delisted, you didn't bother to reply.
And now 2 pages forward you're back taking the torch from the other whiteknight to defend the scam. With people like you buying their shit, I can't even blame Bungie, it's too easy.
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VertigoOA
Banned
What scam you moron?
Destiny 2 vanilla and its first two campaigns are free. Most forsaken content and it’s annual pass content not raids and campaigns are free which includes, all strikes, all crucible, the forges, the menagerie and ALL their loot.
And you broke ass welfare peasants get forsaken and shadowkeep patrol zones no less.
This has all been outlined since day one and Bungie never at any point ever used the terms free to play and battle pass.
Point being... you’re an idiot
Seriously... everyone has pointed this out to you for pages now.
Compete imbecile
Destiny 2 vanilla and its first two campaigns are free. Most forsaken content and it’s annual pass content not raids and campaigns are free which includes, all strikes, all crucible, the forges, the menagerie and ALL their loot.
And you broke ass welfare peasants get forsaken and shadowkeep patrol zones no less.
This has all been outlined since day one and Bungie never at any point ever used the terms free to play and battle pass.
Point being... you’re an idiot
Seriously... everyone has pointed this out to you for pages now.
Compete imbecile
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Explosive Zombie
Banned
Destiny has a cosmetic only MTX store, there is nothing you can buy that will enhance your character beyond another player's character. Forsaken did not cost the same, btw, Forsaken + Annual Pass was 80 dollars, 20 dollars more than getting Shadowkeep + Annual Pass. I know because I spent 80 bucks. We knew it was the same zone with tweaks from the start, that's not something they hid from anyone, fans were excited to have the zone back. All your complaints are about things that were made evident, you don't know what a scam is, a true scam would be promising something they didn't deliver. But the thing is, even if Year 1 hadn't gone free it STILL wouldn't be a scam to launch a new DLC, like WTF, your argument doesn't even hold water if things were WORSE. This thread is you attacking everyone in sight for not agreeing that D2 is some sort of scam because your level of entitlement is legendary.
Lanrutcon
Member
Oh, now we've moved on from using clickbait articles and reddit threads to using the Steam reviews as some kind of evidence.
Stop. Just stop.
I don't give a fuck about your opinion of Destiny 2: I called you out on spreading bullshit about Warframe, which you don't know shit about and your posts on the subject are embarrassing, but I'm sure you're too busy desperately searching through Gamefaqs for a post saying Warframe sucks to give a shit.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Meanwhile, you all care so much about the game this thread is getting more activity than the Destiny OT. Since you're being slow, I'll give you homework: you can check earlier posts so you can learn why Destiny 2 vanilla and it's DLC has no economic value and thus it costs nothing to Bungie to give it out for free.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
The amount of personal attacks over a game nobody here has worked on is pathetic.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Wait, you KNEW they were selling you the same shit they already sold 5 years ago and you still bought it? hahahahahahaha
Explosive Zombie
Banned
You might need to calm down, I never called Warframe a bad game. My entire argument was that if D2 went entirely free to play you'd probably see the sort of MTX Warframe has. Your pedantry about the link I used doesn't detract from the argument that you can pay for better stuff earlier in Warframe without having to grind for it. I get it, you love Warframe, the fact is I never said word 1 that I didn't like the game, so calm your tits.